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Scientists Discover Previously Unidentified Mass Beneath Surface of the Moon (cbsnews.com) 139

pgmrdlm shares a report from CBS News: A previously unknown deposit of an unidentified physical substance larger than the size of Hawaii has been discovered beneath the surface of the moon. Scientists at Baylor University published a study detailing their findings of this "anomaly" beneath the moon's largest crater, at its South Pole. They believe the mass may contain metal carried over from an earlier asteroid crash. According to the study -- "Deep Structure of the Lunar South Pole-Aitken Basin" -- which was published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters in April, the large mass of material was discovered beneath the South Pole-Aitken crater, an oval-shaped crater that is 2,000 kilometers (about 1,243 miles) wide and roughly 4 billion years old. According to Baylor University, the unidentified mass was discovered "hundreds of miles" beneath the basin and is "weighing the basin floor downward by more than half a mile." The scientists discovered the mass by analyzing data taken from a spacecraft used during NASA's Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory (GRAIL) mission, which was a lunar gravity mapping exploration to study the moon's interior and thermal history.

According to the published study, "Plausible sources for this anomaly include metal from the core of a differentiated impactor or oxides from the last stage of magma ocean crystallization," which hypothesizes the moon's surface was once a molten liquid ocean of magma. They also believe the mass could be suspended iron-nickel core from an asteroid that previously impacted the moon's surface.
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Scientists Discover Previously Unidentified Mass Beneath Surface of the Moon

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Haven't these guys seen Iron Sky?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      There's almost zero chance this is anything other than the space Nazi moon base.

  • Isn't this (Score:5, Funny)

    by drewsup ( 990717 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:04AM (#58748592)

    How Transformers started?? Do you want giant robots terrorising the Earth, because sending a crew to check this out is how you get giant robots terrorising the Earth!

    • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      Furthermore, what't the size of Hawaii in relation to a 3D body beneath the surface of the Moon?

      • Re:Isn't this (Score:5, Informative)

        by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:03AM (#58748822)

        Furthermore, what't the size of Hawaii in relation to a 3D body beneath the surface of the Moon?

        About half the size of Wales.

      • Hawaii is an archipelago, what is even its 2D size?

        • The island of Hawaii.
          • When talking about the big island specifically, people use Hawai'i.
            Hawaii usually refers to the whole state.

            • Re: Isn't this (Score:4, Informative)

              by laie_techie ( 883464 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:56AM (#58749810)

              When talking about the big island specifically, people use Hawai'i. Hawaii usually refers to the whole state.

              Actually, as kama`aina, we use the `okina in the name of the island, the state, and the whole island chain. Since the US keyboard doesn't have the `okina key (and the English alphabet doesn't include the `okina) it is often omitted when writing in English.

              • Eh, brah, why fo you say you no have da kine `okina key on yoa keyboard? My keyboard have dat key on top lef, undaneat da kine tilde, wassamata yoa keyboard?
                ``````````````

            • by cob666 ( 656740 )

              When talking about the big island specifically, people use Hawai'i. Hawaii usually refers to the whole state.

              Partially correct... when most normal people in general talk about the island of Hawaii they usually say, 'The Island of Hawaii'. or 'Hawaii, the island'. Any other island, they will just use the name, like Oahi, or Maui.

        • Hawaii can refer to just the island of Hawaii (the Big Island), the state of Hawaii (8 main islands plus a few uninhabited ones), or the entire archipelago (over 1000 islands). I would also mention Hawaii County, but I believe that is the same thing as the island of Hawaii.

          • I like to read Hawaii News Now and journalists definitely throw in a "Hawaii County" as an alternate way of specifying the big island. But most of the time, Hawaii means the island of Hawaii, and the State is referred to as "the State." Usually when talking about the State they're actually talking about a department of the State government, and they'll say the name of the department on the first use, and then "the State" on subsequent mentions.

      • It's been demonstrated via the coastline paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox) that Hawaii has an infinitely long perimeter so I think you can say it's 3D size is, "Pretty big, possibly larger".

    • Re:Isn't this (Score:5, Interesting)

      by locater16 ( 2326718 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:22AM (#58748636)
      No no no, plebian. Obviously this is how Jupiter explodes into a star, and also why Kubrick dropped a ton of acid and came up with a movie ending.
      • No, if you want to understand the Jupiter event you'll have to read Galileo's Dream by Kim Stanley Robinson.

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      How Transformers started?? Do you want giant robots terrorising the Earth, because sending a crew to check this out is how you get giant robots terrorising the Earth!

      Or they found the hidden Nazi moon base.

    • I just came here for the comments and you did not fail to "roll out" the entertainment.

  • nah (Score:5, Funny)

    by enigma32 ( 128601 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:12AM (#58748602)

    clearly it's aliens.

  • by Sique ( 173459 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:14AM (#58748614) Homepage
    Their existance is known since at least 50 years, and they are called mass concentrations (mascons) [wikipedia.org]. What is new is that astronomers discovered a mascon below the South Pole of the Moon.
  • by Laxator2 ( 973549 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:20AM (#58748626)

    I know I am about 4 million years late, but since they discovered the monolith on the Moon, there must be one on Earth as well.
    So I can dress up like a monkey and start the fight at the watering hole.
     

    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:24AM (#58748640)

      That fight has been going on for 10000's of years. Same aggressive stupidity, different waterholes.

      • Same aggressive stupidity, different waterholes.

        Same aggressive stupidity, different trade deals.

      • That fight has been going on for 10000's of years. Same aggressive stupidity, different waterholes.

        It's unfortunate that the more aggressive, stupid actors are the ones that obtained the waterhole, and passed their genes along.

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        • by Anonymous Coward

          It's also "unfortunate" that to the victor go the spoils, that the fittest survive, that evolution requires success, that the best man often wins, and that every broken whiny beta-male doesn't breed...at least from a "certain point of view".

          All of that "misfortune" keeps us from realizing our true potential - which is apparently to be infintely agreeable, but extinct.

          CAPTCHA: evolve

          • by jbengt ( 874751 )

            It's also "unfortunate" that to the victor go the spoils,

            and so they targets of retribution from the vanquished,

            that the fittest survive

            is a tautology,

            that evolution requires success,

            whatever that means,

            that the best man often wins,

            and often loses,

            and that every broken whiny beta-male doesn't breed. . .

            with just their own, but are busy cuckolding the uncivilized whiny alpha males.

        • That fight has been going on for 10000's of years. Same aggressive stupidity, different waterholes.

          It's unfortunate that the more aggressive, stupid actors are the ones that obtained the waterhole, and passed their genes along.

          Where I live, ~110 years ago there was a bunch of bickering over the waterhole, and people died. Of typhoid fever. The engineers and the owners of the company that controlled the water hole were given a second chance: Sell the waterhole to the local People to be run as part of the government, and you'll be allowed to leave town. They agreed enthusiastically. It was decided to make its own government entity, run by an elected board.

          Now our water is clean, healthy, plentiful, and cheap. For 110 years. No typh

    • Wasn't that anomaly magnetic rather than gravitational?
      • Oh come on, the summary doesn't even distinguish between being weighed down, and being weighed up, how are they going to understand magnetism?

        It is like trying to explain a geodetic datum to somebody who can't even read a topo map.

    • Yeah, I always did wonder what became of the monoliths on Earth. In the book they disappeared overnight, by the thousands, but the film was ambiguous.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    So, they found it. When excavated, it turns out to be a black monolith. Pay attention to radio signals when the sunlight hits it for the first time.

    • by neoRUR ( 674398 )

      Its not when the Sun hits it, its when the Humans, or Apes, touch it. It enlightens them and they move up in the Evolutionary chain.

      • No, that's the African Savanna one, the Lunar one emits a signal towards Jupiter!

        Unless of course, the mass is actually the Gotterdammerung!!
      • by cob666 ( 656740 )

        Its not when the Sun hits it, its when the Humans, or Apes, touch it. It enlightens them and they move up in the Evolutionary chain.

        The TMA-1 monolith transmitted a signal toward Jupiter when it was hit by the sun. It's mentioned somewhere in the film or the book that the monolith hasn't seen the sun yet. This signal is why the Discovery One is heading to Jupiter. Haywood Floyd had instructed HAL to NOT tell Poole and Bowman about the signal and the true purpose of the mission. These instructions are what caused HAL to have his psychotic break and try to kill all the astronauts.

        • by neoRUR ( 674398 )

          If they weren't enlightened, then how do you explain HAL, because it's way past 2001 and we are no where near making a real AI HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer).
          Today it would be more like NAL (Neuro ALgorithmic computer).

  • It's an egg (Score:5, Funny)

    by skovnymfe ( 1671822 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:26AM (#58748646)
    It's an egg. They documented this in one of the Dr. Who episodes. But don't worry, it won't hatch for another few hundred years.
  • clearly it's godzilla....
  • by slashmydots ( 2189826 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:34AM (#58748772)
    If it's the largest crater and this was detected based on gravity resulting from a difference in density, what are the odds it's just simply normal moon material compacted denser because of the impact? I assume they ruled that out after comparing the displaced volume of the crater?
    • Normal lunar material would not compress to the density indicated by the anomaly.
      • I suppose it would if you could compress the electrons so that the protons would absorb them. There seem to be some of those wandering around the universe, and I do vaguely recall a science fiction story that featured very small dense masses of that sort scattered around the edges of the solar system. The plot device used such a mass at one end of a very long space ship to create a local gravitational pull sufficient to counteract the effects of high acceleration, allowing the space ship to accelerate to

    • When they talk about something hundreds of miles below the crater weighing the crater floor "down" by half a mile. That's actually, up, not down; the thing making the crater floor heavier is below it, not above it. Weighing up.

      That means it is a lot denser than the stuff above it. Rock doesn't condense in that way, it would be pulverized and also heated by the impact, and it would solidify near the normal density for the materials.

      This is like when the news talks about scientists finding the spot on Earth w

    • Einstein predicted this somewhat, he said "god doesn't play dice with the universe", but he never said anything about billiards....
  • Finally (Score:4, Insightful)

    by slashdot_commentator ( 444053 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:42AM (#58748874) Journal

    A justification to go back to the Moon and establish a sustainable human presence (rather than going straight to Mars). The Moon has to be a lot easier destination than an asteroid to mine for materials. But if man still can't drill down for miles to reach the mass, there's no point in spending hundreds of billions to put a semi-permanent US presence there.

    • A justification to go back to the Moon and establish a sustainable human presence (rather than going straight to Mars). The Moon has to be a lot easier destination than an asteroid to mine for materials. But if man still can't drill down for miles to reach the mass, there's no point in spending hundreds of billions to put a semi-permanent US presence there.

      As I understand it, one of the biggest problems with deep drilling on earth is heat. This should be much less of an issue on the moon. I do not think a

  • I can't believe nobody has suggested yet that it might be Dahak...

  • They also believe the mass could be suspended iron-nickel core from an asteroid

    Was there some part of "metal from the core of a differentiated impactor" you didn't understand?

    • They also believe the mass could be suspended iron-nickel core from an asteroid

      Was there some part of "metal from the core of a differentiated impactor" you didn't understand?

      Y'all don't go confusifcating us with that fancy book talk now, yahear?

  • by petes_PoV ( 912422 ) on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @07:24AM (#58749242)
    If there was one place that is worth fighting over on the Moon, this would be it.

    The question is whether it would be actual people in combat or robotically controlled drones and fighting vehicles. And, of course, who would win?

  • Everyone would run with it and have some fun. I also thought about the NAZI moon base when I first read the story.
    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      A real nerd would think of the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly from 2001. (yes, we are way behind schedule)

      • A real nerd would think of the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly from 2001. (yes, we are way behind schedule)

        Bah - I know this is related to the Mayan Calendar somehow.

  • how big is this in furlongs?
  • Are we talking the island of Hawaii, the state of Hawaii, or the entire island chain?

  • Tycho Magnetic Anomaly 1?

I'd rather just believe that it's done by little elves running around.

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