Is Our Reliance on GPS Shrinking Our Brains? (heraldnews.com) 121
"Neuroscientists can now see that brain behavior changes when people rely on turn-by-turn directions," says science writer M.R. O'Connor, citing a study of personal GPS devices co-authored by Kent-based cognitive neuroscience researcher Amir-Homayoun Javadi:
What isn't known is the effect of GPS use on hippocampal function when employed daily over long periods of time. Javadi said the conclusions he draws from recent studies is that "when people use tools such as GPS, they tend to engage less with navigation. Therefore, brain area responsible for navigation is less used, and consequently their brain areas involved in navigation tend to shrink."
How people navigate naturally changes with age. Navigation aptitude appears to peak around age 19, and after that, most people slowly stop using spatial memory strategies to find their way, relying on habit instead. But neuroscientist Veronique Bohbot has found that using spatial-memory strategies for navigation correlates with increased gray matter in the hippocampus at any age. She thinks that interventions focused on improving spatial memory by exercising the hippocampus -- paying attention to the spatial relationships of places in our environment -- might help offset age-related cognitive impairments or even neurodegenerative diseases. "If we are paying attention to our environment, we are stimulating our hippocampus, and a bigger hippocampus seems to be protective against Alzheimer's disease," Bohbot told me in an email.
This piece originally appeared in the Washington Post's opinion section -- under the headline "Ditch the GPS. It's Ruining Your Brain."
How people navigate naturally changes with age. Navigation aptitude appears to peak around age 19, and after that, most people slowly stop using spatial memory strategies to find their way, relying on habit instead. But neuroscientist Veronique Bohbot has found that using spatial-memory strategies for navigation correlates with increased gray matter in the hippocampus at any age. She thinks that interventions focused on improving spatial memory by exercising the hippocampus -- paying attention to the spatial relationships of places in our environment -- might help offset age-related cognitive impairments or even neurodegenerative diseases. "If we are paying attention to our environment, we are stimulating our hippocampus, and a bigger hippocampus seems to be protective against Alzheimer's disease," Bohbot told me in an email.
This piece originally appeared in the Washington Post's opinion section -- under the headline "Ditch the GPS. It's Ruining Your Brain."
it's better then the big local map books they used (Score:2)
it's better then the big local map books they used have.
Re: it's better then the big local map books they (Score:1)
We wouldn't even need maps if American city planners and subdivision developers had used proper grids of roads instead of incomprehensible winding spaghetti road systems with overly generic road names.
Navigation is damn easy in a place like Manhattan, where it has a grid of numbered roads. In Manhattan you only use a map to figure out where something is on the grid relative to where you are. It's not used to figure out the roads to take.
Wat? That is exactly the wrong way around! (Score:1)
Grids are really the worst possible way to design a city.
Not only won't you have any kind of real city centers. It will also be harder to tell where you are, since it's all just grids. And it will even be bad for cars, as they have to drive zig-zags like idiots half the time.
And, don't US cities already consist mostly of grids?
No, what you need is a fractal hub and spoke system.
One main center with roads leading towards it, and several ring roads around it. Then when the city gets too big, some outer parts
Re: Wat? That is exactly the wrong way around! (Score:1)
Aside from Manhattan and the pre-1930s parts of larger cities, which are quite tiny, American cities are mostly spaghetti suburbs.
There is one planned American city like you describe: Washington DC. It is built around a spoke model, and is notorious for its terrible traffic. It's usually worse than Manhattan traffic, despite Manhattan supporting far more people in a much smaller physical area.
Grids are the way to go.
As I said: For *humans*. Not cars. (Score:1)
You forgot to build proper public transport! Where's your public transport?!
No, not that sorry excuse there.
Clean trams and stations. A tram station every 500m/1500ft, a bus stop every 250m/750ft, a tram every 5 minutes, or 15 in low traffic areas/hours. And a bus every 15 minutes too. Easy, covenient, and cheap due to *proper* financing, by stopping all the tax cuts for car manufacturers and the industry around it, which will be enough for free fares, and hanging their CEOs and boards from the traffic ligh
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grid based roads probably shrink your brain too.
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no it isn't (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: no it isn't (Score:2)
Until you got lost and then had to find somewhere to pull over and then had to try and figure out what street you were on. It was also very easy to miss your turning as the street name signs are hard to see until you're practically on top of them.
Re: no it isn't (Score:2)
Getting lost when you need to be somewhere at a particular time is not fun. I used to allow a lot of extra time for things like interviews because finding your way in a strange town or city was hard even if you've looked at a map.
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Exploring new places used to be something that people wanted to do. Getting lost used to be fun.
People that think it's fun can still just not use their GPS. But having a choice is always good. It's fun to get lost as a tourist in a cozy city in the middle of the day. It's not fun to get lost when trying to get your pregnant wife in labor to a hospital.
I'm not sure it's that fun getting lost as a tourist either. I want to actually get somewhere an get to an interesting place so I can do something, see something. If I don't have a course, I'm just wandering around looking at buildings, which I can do at home. Then I'll start thinking about what I'm missing out on by not knowing where to go. And thinking about how much money I spent getting to the place where I was, but not doing anything. Wandering around through a park and looking at buildings ... I don't
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any part of a map for offline viewing.
Actually, it does not.
There are plenty of restricted areas, I'm aware about Tokyo and Bangkok.
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They are ordinary places.
And cordoning "military stuff" up from saving makes no sense when it is clearly to see on the map and can be saved with a screenshot. It is not really clear which part and why can not be saved.
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Depends on where you are. If you are in an unfamiliar place w/ no street or highway signs around you, the map may not be of much use. Maps are something one should study before and in preparation of a trip, not while you're driving.
Problem of course, is when you get diverted. I'm still amazed that some of you people only need to look at a map once, and never on a trip. I travel thousands and thousands of trip miles every year, using both GPS and paper maps, and my Atlas does not leave the front seat. Even aside from that, I use a Gazeteer for the local, back and dirt roads in my state.
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No, it isn't better than the "big local map books". The "big local map books" were cheap, required no internet connection, did not track everywhere you went, and could be looked at once before a trip, and then tossed in the back seat.
And constantly getting outdated, I consider them a relic like the phone directory. Even in the most paranoid of settings I'd search for the best route via TorBrowser and print it out for that specific need unless I was running a taxi or delivery service and constantly looking at maps. Bonus paranoia points if you search for a route from your neighbor's house rather than your own.
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No, it isn't better than the "big local map books". The "big local map books" were cheap, required no internet connection, did not track everywhere you went, and could be looked at once before a trip, and then tossed in the back seat.
You must have quite the memory that you can say - plan a cross country trip, look at the map exactly once, then go direct from door to door.
I personally use both GPS and large maps. To me, that only makes sense., as the screen doesn't convey large scale routing - like say a 2000 mile trip.
But my paper maps don't give me time to end of trip, or road construction or traffic snarling for traffic or instant re-routing to avoid the snarl.
The GPS guidance is kind of like the Trip-tiks that one can get at A
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you spew romantic bullshit. no, the maps "could not be looked at once" and driving with one of those things spread across the front passenger area is a hazard. they become near useless with areas that don't have signs for all streets nor address numbers on buildings. And nothing like having a ten year old map that doesn't have current construction nor new things on it...
GPS is superior in every way
use your big local map for kindling, it does poorly for anything else
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required no internet connection, did not track everywhere you went, and could be looked at once before a trip, and then tossed in the back seat.
Literally all of that applies to GPS units as well.
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Re:it's better then the big local map books they u (Score:5, Interesting)
Before GPS, when I lived first in LA and then in the Bay Area, I used to use AAA maps. Those were pretty handy: I'd check out in advance where I needed to go, and followed it accordingly. I knew quite a number of cities like the back of my hand, having driven extensively in those places.
I got my first car w/ built in GPS 4 years ago, and it has been really useful in Charlotte, Atlanta and now Northern Virginia. Since roads on the East coast are less gridlike than on the West, this has been useful, particularly while I changed cities: I'm not sure that it would have been easy following maps. My only complaint is any map upgrade on the car is overpriced at $500, which is stupid given that the newer cars have automatic connection modes to Car Play or Android Auto.
It is (Score:4, Insightful)
The place that used to be a home for Spacial Cognition has gone the way of the slide-rule, knowing log-tables by heart and the Dodo.
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"All that being said, I have a strong navigational sense. "
You have to, being male makes you corporally and genetically unable to ask for directions.
"My mother-in-law is well served by having turn-by-turn handholding as she has never been able to navigate around a block without getting lost."
She'll just ask the next person she sees on the street, easy.
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Besides that, I hate GPS navigators: usually I just memorize the route on Google Maps and that's all.
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"My hippocampus was trained and strengthened by the The Eye of the Beholder, Realms of Arkania and a list of other good old dungeon crawlers for which I was too lazy to draw maps. "
Funny that you mention this. I noticed lately, that I have problems to find my way in the caves of Assassin's Creed Odysee, I completely gave up entering fortresses that way, because I always end up outside again where I got in.
Could I have fried my Spatial Cognition with my GPS use?
Is our reliance on other people's opinions... (Score:1)
shrinking our brains?
Read our story now to find out as yours shrinks too!
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The place that used to be a home for Spacial Cognition has gone the way of the slide-rule, knowing log-tables by heart and the Dodo.
Oh, I've been swerved OT here. But I really sucked at any sort of math, and then I was introduced to the slide rule. Something just clicked, and my grades went up by a lot.
But why do you think dildos are outdated?
One of two things is going to happen (Score:2)
I note that with all this space freed up we're going to have room to build some nice AI neural networks bigger than an amazon instance. Either that or we atrophy to the point of becoming Trumpanzies.
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"I never use GPS and my brain is so big I can barely hold my head up."
I saw your movie.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0... [imdb.com]
Does shell autocompletion do the same? (Score:1)
Does Unix shell autocompletion also make people stupider?
Repeated Historical Fake News. (Score:5, Insightful)
They said the same thing about:
1) Reading (Don't need to remember anything - you can write it down.)
2) Radio (People don't read anymore)
3) TV (People don't talk to each other)
And about 20 other innovations. Hell, I am pretty sure the people that invented metal weapons got yelled at because people stopped needing to personally flintknap rocks into blades.
Human brains accommodate to the things we need. When we no longer need to learn something, it frees our brains up to learn new things - such as computer programming.
I assure you the new things will teach us different skills.
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> Human brains accommodate to the things we need. When we no longer need to learn something, it frees our brains up to learn new things - such as computer programming.
Yep.
> They said the same thing about:
> TV (People don't talk to each other)
Well TV may have made us stupider. In one survey a few years ago when people were asked where they got their news, the number one answer was a comedian, Jon Stewart.
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> appreciating somebody who is open about his bias and speaking his mind, saying what everyone is thinking.
> If you are a Trump fan, I'm sure you can appreciate that.
> i'm not a Trump fan. But this is why I get why people voted for him. Even if you disagree, you at least know where he stands. A rare and valuable thing.
> Which is why Sanders should also have kicked out Hillary. Not vice versa.
Agreed, Hillary is a smart politician who carefully adjusts her message based on the latest polls, and wh
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Agreed, Hillary is a smart politician who carefully adjusts her message based on the latest polls, and which city she is speaking in
Oh, she could say some tone-deaf brain-dead stuff My favorite:
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
Perhaps she spent too much time using GPS?
Forgot to focus group that one. Lol (Score:2)
Yeah I think she forgot to focus group that first. :)
Perhaps in her mind, where victimhood of selected people based on gonads and complexion is the First Law, unquestionable, the statement seemed too obviously true, nobody could question it. In her universe, female == victim is a tautology.
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Yeah I think she forgot to focus group that first. :)
Perhaps in her mind, where victimhood of selected people based on gonads and complexion is the First Law, unquestionable, the statement seemed too obviously true, nobody could question it. In her universe, female == victim is a tautology.
No political party is without it's tone deafness, But the far left has some doozies. Added to Mrs Clinton letting us know that men are not the real victims of war, another head scratcher is the 1 out of 4 homeless are women. That's a reason for hand wringing and gnashing of teeth. Apparently 3 out of 4 homeless being men is not of importance.
Shit - silly old me is not real happy that anyone is homeless. But then the far right is pissed because homeless people apparently deserve it, and the far left is pi
Fault is silly, causation is inescapable (Score:2)
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Shit - silly old me is not real happy that anyone is homeless. But then the far right is pissed because homeless people apparently deserve it, and the far left is pissed because I included the patriarchal element of caring about men, not just women
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I've been homeless and I've owned a ridiculously large house. I've learned some things, mostly by reviewing my many mistakes. I didn't stop being homeless by continuing to do the things that made me homeless.
I don't know who said what that you're referring t
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-- Why was there NO improvement after spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars? Because everything Los Angeles did was predicated on the idea that "it's not their fault", that homeless people are victims of circumstance and they don't need to change their behavior. The programs didn't encourage behavior change, so the causes remained and the results remained.
It's not a moral issue of "they SHOULD be homeless because they ...", it's intellectual honestly of saying "if your habits are to things that lead to you being homeless, you'll keep being homeless.". That's just factually true. Denying the fact might make YOU feel more "compassionate", but it harms those who need help.
You do realize that you just wrote a lot telling me that if you are homeless, it is your fault. Most of the homeless I have met are mentally ill. If they only made the choice to stop being mentally ill, then they wouldn't be homeless. I guess. Just another impossible to fix problem...
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You didn't realize even the subject line?
I told you "fault" is a silly concept. Cause and effect is universal law.
Well, I should say "fault as American liberals use the term in political discourse", engineers, scientists, and non-Americans still use the term in its original meaning from middle French faute, earlier falte. Which means a crack (San Andreas fault) or imperfection. In engineering (and historically), a fault would be a brittle O-ring, a failure would be Challenger blows up. A fault is an impe
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You didn't realize even the subject line?
I understand that very often words don't mean what people say they mean.
To do a tl;dr version of what you have written:
A person is homeless for a reason or a cause. They must change that reason, or cause.
Hell, in the warmer climes, some folks have no issue with being homeless. They get left out of the equation because they are fine with their situation.
The medical homeless, with most medical reasons being mental illness - there is a bit of a different situation. Getting meds and staying on them is really difficult to do in a essentially random system. People in regular loving homes go off their psych meds.
You can wordsmith all you like, but it reads as if you don't change what made you homeless, the cause is you not wanting to change.
If only it were want and effect! (Score:2)
> You can wordsmith all you like, but it reads as if you don't change what made you homeless, the cause is you not wanting to change.
If only! I *want* to be a billionaire. Unfortunately that doesn't have anything to do with it. We live in a universe of cause and effect, not want and effect.
That bears repeating. We live in a universe of cause and effect, not want and effect. Therefore what you want does not do any good whatsoever. That may seem stupidly obvious, but how often have we heard conversation
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"It's their fault" would be a stupid thing to say. I think the concept of fault is generally pretty silly and not often useful. Also, of the many people who have stayed on my couch, the only ones who ever had their life turn around were the ones who turned their habits and actions around. It IS the result of their decisions.
I guess I don't understand the distinction between "it's their fault" and "it's the result of their decisions." To most people, those phrases have exactly the same meaning. They're interchangeable. It's just that we have maybe more experience with "fault," and "the result of their decisions" is a not as common/therefore "nicer" way of saying something. The action that comes from that can be the same; are you saying that interaction with the person ends with "fault" while "result of their decisions" isn't us
One is a person, the other is an action (Score:2)
Newton's third law says thay actions *always* have results.
That's not a liberal or conservative proposition, it's universal law. Push down on the ground, the ground pushes back up. Action, result.
"Their fault" talks about a person, a being. It's an attempt to first displace the results of an action onto a person, most commonly so that the speaker can then assert the result did not come from the person, which then allows them to claim it can't from nowhere, or from "the man".
If you stir an egg and put it in
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Persons and their actions are inseparable. I don't believe in divorcing responsibility (or, I guess, "fault") from a person to the actions he or she commits. I guess that is where the disconnect here is.
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Yeah I guess that's where the disconnect is. I make bad decisions all the time. I'm not a bad person. More to to the point, I know you goof up daily, that doesn't make you a bad person.
Selling stuff to a pawn shop is generally a terrible idea. The pawn shop customer isn't a terrible person.
> inseparable. I don't believe in divorcing responsibility from a person to the actions he or she commits.
I'm responsible for my dog. I am not a dog.
I'm responsible for my bad decisions, if for no other reason than
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Steward himself never thought of himself this way. On that one press show, he said "You are comparing us to a news show?? The show after us is puppets making prank phone calls!!". :)
Jon Stewart the Daily Show always wanted it both ways. They pretended to a news show + humor, then would fall back on "we're not a news show" whenever they were attacked, then five minutes later pretend to be a news show again when he decided his current guest needed to be grilled.
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Hell, I am pretty sure the people that invented metal weapons got yelled at because people stopped needing to personally flintknap rocks into blades.
While your overall point is valid, I'm pretty sure that division of labor dates back to the stone age, at least the neolithic. Few people were chipping stone :)
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I will admit that my extensive search for written records of that time for some reason failed to find any real evidence :D, so you might very well be totally correct.
But think back to that time. There wasn't that much to learn and hunter gathers had a ton of leisure time. (http://rewild.com/in-depth/leisure.html). I bet most people at least learned the basics of flint-knapping as a child. Probably similar to driving - an essential skill that almost everyone learned even if many take public transportation
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Borders are for pussies. (Score:1)
What, you are "the greatest nation" and can't handle a few Mexicans? Think they can ruin your culture and society?
Or you really think somebody who can barely read and write, has lost his shoes, and no education, is going to take your job and your girl?
What kind of shit job do you have?? Can they just replace you by a literal monkey tomorrow, or what??
And how weak do you feel US culture is??
Get grip!
And please get a therapy for your anxiety disorder. ... Pussy.
Elon's Evil Plan comes to Light! (Score:2)
Nothing New (Score:2)
Why are we so bad at this? (Score:1)
I mean, this headline was obviously coming the moment they decided to 'crack down' on bad stuff. I wonder if people with enough technical wisdom even exist at tech companies anymore to ever prevent stuff like this from happening. You'd have to be pretty myopic not to know your dragnet was going to unintentionally snag a hell of a lot of innocent collateral. Is it just me, or is our collective ability to do anything technically becoming worse over time rather than better?
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It hurts to think... (Score:2)
Isn't the whole point of having a device in your hand to help make your life easier? This includes the bacteria munching on your food to make energy, its tiring. Of course our brains are going to be smaller for just about any type of thinking replaced by the devices. I'm sure the areas that control thumb and finger movements though will be grande.
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Live neither in the past nor in the future, but let each day's work absorb your entire energies, and satisfy your widest ambition. - Sir William Osler
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Isn't the whole point of having a device in your hand to help make your life easier?
Exactly.
Also, my personal experience runs counter to the headline. I tend to use tools like Waze mostly to find optimal routes to places due to traffic... work (I mostly take transit but occasionally drive), particular stores, some friends’ vacation house. In each of those situations, I’ve found that I still learn the various alternate routes after two or three trips and can subsequently drive them without guidance (I like to test that).
Of course, I’m one of those crazy people who tries to
Idiots already idiots. (Score:5, Insightful)
The sort of peron who blindly follows GPS as it takes them off a cliff is not the sort of person who had a brain anyway.
I use Google maps 95% of the time while driving. It knows the areas of issue and can often suggest a better route.
However I am also not afriad to ignore it and do what I want if I feel the need.
Idiots nearly missing junctions and doing stupid dangerous things would have done the same if someone was reading a map next to them.
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Idiots nearly missing junctions and doing stupid dangerous things would have done the same if someone was reading a map next to them.
No, they wouldn't. The simple act of writing down the instructions/map ahead of time means the driver has already rehearsed them once. Modern driving apps are specifically designed, for some reason, to only tell you the very next direction, and then only when you have barely enough time to make said turn/merge.
I've always been a paper map person (Score:5, Interesting)
After that day, in school and out, I was interested in maps. As soon as I started driving, I would take my battered Saab 96 anywhere the roads led: Provincetown, Tucson, wherever. Later in life, I drove deliveries, and spent a few years driving a taxi. I was known for my ability to get to places much more quickly than expected, only partly because of my heavy right foot. In Moscow, I had the translator tell the cabdriver he was turning the wrong way; I didn't need translating to know his answer was... not polite, but he was suitably apologetic when I was proven right.
That's why there's a 2019 Rand McNally road atlas in my Charger Pursuit. GPS is fine, if you take it as advice instead of instruction. Google Maps can recommend one or three different routes, but it takes experience and "navigation aptitude" to know the best way to get there...
I've pondered going without ... (Score:2)
... smartphone navigation for 2 weeks or so, just to get my navigator skills back or at least test how much they have degenerated. It probably wouldn't take look to get then back, but I expect it would take some effort.
Do something else (Score:2)
Stop reading and writing then (Score:1)
Before written language was invented, people had to memorize everything. During the civil war, union officers were amazed at how good the memory of former slaves turned spies who weren't taught to read or write was. There are plenty of stories of cultures without written language having some surprisingly accurate oral histories. If you don't have to memorize everything but instead can write stuff down then your brain shrinks in some ways. So clearly we should stop reading and writing then!
Easy brain fix: Take up orienteering! (Score:2)
The negative effects of offloading navigation to GPS systems is quite well documented, the best fix is to use that GPS to get to a spot where you can practice real navigation, at a difficulty level which is close to your (current) limit:
I.e. take up orienteering! [orienteering.sport]
This is THE perfect sport for many nerds, as it is usually individual start, zero spectators, and it involves both your brain and your body when you try to get from the start triangle, via a variable number of controls (all marked with RFID type tag
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There's a place for both GPS and traditional maps (Score:3)
... at least, for me anyway.
Back when I was growing up in the late 1980s/early 1990s, I had this precocious curiosity around navigation: my father was a civil engineer with the provincial Department of Public Works based out of Pietermaritzburg, and he'd often need to perform site inspections in far-off rural parts of the province, and often he'd take me (at the ages of 4-5, before I'd started primary school) along for the ride. I always wanted to know where on the road we were, where we were going, and how much further until we could stop for lunch (this was important at age 5!), and I'd "borrowed" (read: expropriated) the road maps from my father's study and taught myself what they meant and how to use them, but I could never read them in the car without getting violently carsick around 15 seconds later.
Thus, I very quickly gained the ability to memorize the paper maps, and so whenever we were on the road, I would then know exactly where we were, which route we should take, how much further we should go, and where all the rest stops were. Totally from memory. I became good enough at this so that, by age 8, I had officially been promoted to family navigator on our road trip holidays.
I'm now 34, moved from South Africa to New Zealand, and paper replaced digital (mostly: I still keep paper maps for a fallback) but I still navigate this way. When I need to navigate to somewhere new (and since I'm a fairly new immigrant, this currently happens a lot!), I'll pull out a map (be it paper or OpenStreetMaps) before I head off, look at where I need to go, and then apply this to my pre-existing knowledge of the area. This technique of mine still hasn't failed me.
I do have a GPS application on my mobile device and will load it up, but for me, it's far more about OpenStreetMaps quality control (I'll observe what the GPS is doing and then use this to improve OSM quality on the route I've been along) and far less about navigation itself.
We have been over this before ... (Score:2)
Here are similar claims from 2017 [newatlas.com] and from 2010 [medicalxpress.com], and now 2019.
Back-seat driver fuckeries! (Score:2)
The worst isn't a small hippocampus, it's when back-seat drivers fuck with your hippocampus. The GPS takes the arguing out of the equation and keeps your eyes and mind back on the road.
How to prevent GPS from shrinking your brain (Score:3)
Stop traveling to cold places.
Who cares? (Score:1)
Does my brain have the world's maps and a GPS?
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