Up To 25 Cups of Coffee a Day Still Safe For Heart Health, New Study Says (cnn.com) 140
Coffee lovers might be able to breathe a sigh of relief -- a new study found that drinking even large amounts of the caffeinated beverage won't stiffen arteries and harm your heart. From a report: Aficionados have been getting mixed messages about their favorite drink, with some research suggesting that drinking coffee can improve health while other studies advise people to cut down on their consumption. Previous studies suggested that coffee can cause a stiffening of the arteries, putting pressure on the heart and increasing the likelihood of stroke or heart attack. But a new study, funded in part by the British Heart Foundation, found that drinking five cups of coffee a day was no worse for the arteries than drinking less than one cup. The study of more than 8,000 people across the United Kingdom also found that even those who drank up to 25 cups a day were no more likely to experience stiffening of the arteries than someone drinking less than a cup a day.
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Kidney stones. That many cups of coffee may not kill you but the kidney stones all that caffeine would defiantly praying for a swift death.
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The real danger is that you start vibrating so fast you phase through the floor and end up in China.
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I kinda think you'll end up near the middle of the planet.
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It's funny. In Sci-Fi shows I always wondered how people that can "phase" themselves through a wall don't just fall right through the floor, and if the bottoms of their feet (even one molecule thick?) maintain integrity, how the hell they still manage to "stroll" through a wall? I don't see them doing a "shuffle" to slice through the wall and if they did, wouldn't it cut some nice foot-width slivers through the wall, electrical pipes and anything else in it?
lol
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obviously a small bit of foot skin is peeled off. science. logic!
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Its also amazing those same people are able to "phase" their clothes as well. You never saw Kitty Pryde nude after she went through a wall.
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That's because writers aren't scientists, and never want to think about that sort of thing.
Although it might be amusing to have a sci-fi show where they had people leap toward a wall, phase out, go through the wall, and then phase back in before they hit the ground. When training to do it, newbies would smack into the wall, get stuck in it, etc.
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The phasing makes them out of synch with gravity as well as matter. Its momentum that carries them through the wall, the only reason they appear to continue walking is because their primitive ape brains tell them they need to keep moving their feet. One could cease walking and strike some sort of pose, perhaps a dab, at the onset of phasing and emerge on the other side in the same pose looking really stupid because dabbing is not cool, people.
Re:If you're drinking 25 cups of coffee a day (Score:5, Informative)
Kidney stones. That many cups of coffee may not kill you but the kidney stones all that caffeine would defiantly praying for a swift death.
Actually the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
You have read some junk science or came to invalid conclusions yourself.
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Redundant.... LOL. Perfect.
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defiantly praying
Them darn kidney stones just wouldn't cooperate!
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Damn, I'm going to have to cut back by two cups per day!
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Damn, I'm going to have to cut back by two cups per day!
Pffft. Amateur.
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Damn, I'm going to have to cut back by two cups per day!
Pffft. Amateur.
You haven't seen the size of my cup...
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I think my everyday coffee mug is almost 3 "cups" in size. I suspect when they say "cup" they mean those dinky cups that come with sets of dishes. I can't drink coffee out of those anyway---my fingers don't fit through the tiny handles.
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I can safely say that wanting to see your cup is pretty much at the bottom of my list.
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Why would you? Effects decrease massive with daily dosage. For best effects, you need to usually not drink coffee at all and only use it when you want a targeted effect for a short time.
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My take this is a flawed study also interpreted by someone who doesn't understand science.
The conclusion is suspect, IMHO. How the heck can you only study people without cardiovascular disease and legitimately conclude, anything about cardiovascular disease? Their actual conclusion is "In this large middle-aged cohort without cardiovascular disease, moderate to heavy coffee consumption was not associated with significant changes in arterial stiffness measured by AoD and ASI compared with individuals who d
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You would get plenty of exercise walking to and from the bathroom.
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Actually, if you use a French press, you get the extra oils and cholesterol. This isn't the best article on it, just the first one that came up in my search today:
https://www.healthline.com/hea... [healthline.com]
"Research has shown that drinking five cups of coffee daily from a French press brewing method can increase blood cholesterol levels by 6 to 8 percent."
Before the wide-spread use of paper filters, coffee was considered a cholesterol risk. If you're going to drink a ton of coffee, paper filters are probably safer th
Die from other causes (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, 25 cups of coffee won't kill you, at least not before the lack of sleep does. I wonder at what number you start seeing the green smurfs dancing on the dashboard?
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I wonder at what number you start seeing the green smurfs dancing on the dashboard?
About 35 cups. On a cross country driving trip many years ago, my mother got sick, so I went to this airport in the middle of nowhere. No flights for two days. Left started driving to a larger city. At this point I have been up for around 24 hours. I missed a turn and didn't notice. Ended up driving for almost two days. Coffee was my only friend. But hallucinations were not uncommon, the last few hours.
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To quote P.J. O'Rourke:
The only problem you'll run into is that after you've been driving for two or three days you start to see things on the road - great big scaly things twenty feet high with nine legs. But there are very few great big scaly things with nine legs in America any more, so you can just drive through them because they probably aren't really there, and if they are really there you'll be doing the country a favor by running them over.
Re:Die from other causes (Score:4, Interesting)
Sure, 25 cups of coffee won't kill you, at least not before the lack of sleep does. I wonder at what number you start seeing the green smurfs dancing on the dashboard?
While almost everyone thinks that coffee is linked to not sleeping (and in many people that link is true); in many more people coffee does not impact sleep. In fact, for me, I find a cup before bed is soothing and helps me sleep. It is all down to how fast your body metabolizes caffeine.
Caffeine is a lot like alcohol in that, we "expect" a certain reaction, so we exhibit signs of that reaction even when it has a mental rather than a biological cause.
Two example studies: One involved two "test" parties with an open punch bowl; one contained alcohol the other didn't but they told to test subjects that it DID contain alcohol. In both parties both groups of participants reported having symptoms of drinking alcohol. Several people in the non-alcoholic party reported getting drunk.
There was another study I read about where people were given a non-caffeinated beverage and were told it was caffeinated... they reported more alertness and inability to sleep. The control group that wasn't told it was caffeinated didn't have the same reaction.
Sure, Caffeine and alcohol DO effect us legitimately- but half the effect is in our minds and nothing to do with the drugs.
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In people with ADHD, stimulants often have the opposite effect (in low doses). It helps them relax.
So if you get relaxed instead of jittery after a strong cup of coffee, you may have ADHD, or were possibly suffering from caffeine withdrawal.
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This! I know people who don't drink coffee after lunch because it "messes up" their ability to sleep. Me I have a steady intake throughout the day. I practically always have a double espresso after dinner, as do most of my coworkers and often drink an espresso at 11at night before bed. I actually modified my espresso machine to make it quieter so I wouldn't wake the already sleeping people in the house.
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If you are used to 25 cups a day, they will have little effect on sleeping. Of course, you need to drink them without sugar.
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Sure, 25 cups of coffee won't kill you, at least not before the lack of sleep does. I wonder at what number you start seeing the green smurfs dancing on the dashboard?
Look, I drive wherever the Smurfs tell me to (although if one has turned green I generally do a mini-Heimlich as they're choking on something).
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Sugar is one of the worst killers known to humanity. Cream is not that bad, actually, that is junk-science pushed by the margarine industry to make their disgusting and unhealthy product look more appealing.
I have doubts on this study (Score:2)
I can believe a bit of coffee is good for you, it improves your mood and makes you a bit more productive without too many bad side-effects so common sense would suggest that yes a little probably is beneficial. I think 25 cups of coffee might be too much. Think about it, would you normally drink 25 cups of soda, milk or even water?
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I drink 1 US gallon of filtered water each day. 25 cups is over 1.2 gallons.
And I believe attempting to drink 25 cups of milk in a day would result in horrific gastrointestinal issues. It would be interesting to watch someone try it though.
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Things 25 cups of coffee every day does not do!
- It won't harden your arterial walls!
- It won't damage your ears or hearing! (we did a study on this and announced the results, implying a discovered benefit to the drink)
- It won't reduce your car's gas mileage! (we did a study on this and announced the results, implying a discovered benefit to the drink)
- It won't lower your local property value! (we did a study on this and announced the results, implying a discovered benefit to the drink)
- It won't worsen y
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- It won't hamper your infantry forces crossing the alps!
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Things 25 cups of coffee every day might do.
- Kill you
We may differ slightly on our definition of 'hamper'.
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Study participants drinking 25 cups a day (Score:3)
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This guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Who the heck did they find to participate in this study that regularly drinks 25 cups of coffee a day?!? That's insane!
If I'm going to drink 25 cups of coffee a day, I want a urinal installed underneath my desk so I don't have to keep getting up... Oh, and a lock on my office door so I don't have to wear pants.
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Who the heck did they find to participate in this study that regularly drinks 25 cups of coffee a day?!? That's insane!
More interesting, from TFA:
People who consumed more than 25 cups of coffee a day were excluded, ...
That's bullshit! (Score:3)
What, I'll have to cut my consumption in half?
Is tachycardia healthy? (Score:2)
Holy shit, I'm wired after 3 cups. I can't imagine 25.
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Caffeine effects decrease strongly with daily intake.
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Holy shit, I'm wired after 3 cups. I can't imagine 25.
From TFA:
People who consumed more than 25 cups of coffee a day were excluded, ...
So... imagine that.
Coffee? (Score:2)
Your dentist won't be happy about it (Score:1)
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A) It will do no such thing
B) Why would your dentist be unhappy about more business?
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It will kill your teeth but if you don't mind getting them all replaced then go for it. Also, as mentioned before the dreaded KIDNEY STONES!
You're mostly wrong on both counts.
It will stain your teeth, but if you're drinking your coffee black it may actually be helping your teeth. Coffee contains chemicals that break up plaque. Drinking coffee actually helps keep your teeth clean... yellow, but clean. Also if you're drinking caffeinated coffee, that's been linked to REDUCING KIDNEY STONES by 10%. It's only decaf that increases your chance of kidney stones.
The kidney stone myth came from the fact that coffee makes you more likely to pee, peop
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"8,000 people across the United Kingdom"
Get your big book of british smiles jokes in while you can.
Peer review? (Score:5, Insightful)
The only question I have is when reporters plan on waiting for papers to be peer reviewed before they start screaming bullshit from the rafters?
One of the reasons why people look so negatively on science in general is because reports are in such a burning rush to get stories out that they can't wait for information to be actually verified, resulting in us being constantly peppered with conflicting reports about this or that being bad/good/bad/good/bad/good for you.
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Peer review is largely broken, unfortunately.
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Studies on caffeine consumption, along with how many eggs a week are safe to eat? It's just the food version of cold-fusion.
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Studies on caffeine consumption, along with how many eggs a week are safe to eat? It's just the food version of cold-fusion.
The good news is... we may not have a mass-market cure for AIDS or cancer, but if coffee were to get AIDS we'd probably have enough research done that we could cure coffee tree AIDS.
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I have a solution for that: more studies! So many studies the half-ass journalists can't keep this up.
I'm half serious actually. If we want to realize the benefits of machine learning on large data sets, we need to start collecting data using modern, automated techniques rather than self-reporting... now! Really for the good of future generations... and perhaps even themselves, everyone should be monitoring everything they eat, drink, and do, along with a lot of biometrics.
It's just a tragedy we cannot,
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The only question I have is when reporters plan on waiting for papers to be peer reviewed before they start screaming bullshit from the rafters?
Exactly. Sometimes I forget that acceptance of papers to non-CS/EE conferences are not peer-reviewed. That's not to say that the CS/EE conference peer review process is wonderful, but the review process imparts a modicum of credibility to accepted papers.
For this paper, the first thing that popped out to me was why one of the three comparative groups wasn't composed of non-coffee drinkers. That would seem to be an obvious reference group. Yet, there's only an "under 1 cup" group. A conclusion that heav
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'Studies', LOL (Score:2)
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Study sponsor? (Score:2)
Or by the Organization of Coffee Exporting Countries?
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If you drink much more than 25 cups (Score:2)
Then you probably get health problems from too much fluid intake. Also note that this is probably European strength coffee, not the massively watered down US stuff.
Video of test subject leaked! (Score:2)
so this guy is safe (Score:1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
What they should be looking at (Score:2)
is if regular caffeine brings on early damage to cartilage in joints from a caffeine induced reduction of water in the cartilage. Especially when combined with long walks or jogging. So hip and nee joints in particular.
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is if regular caffeine brings on early damage to cartilage in joints from a caffeine induced reduction of water in the cartilage. Especially when combined with long walks or jogging. So hip and nee joints in particular.
I haven't heard about that... I drink a lot of coffee and I have both hip AND knee joint problems. I always blamed it on playing indoor soccer on astroturf (which is when I first started having problems).
Does caffeine really change cartilage composition? Or is that just a theory of yours?
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It's purely a guess. Hence why I feel it needs checked out.
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three cup margin (Score:1)
THANK GOD, three cup margin! woooot
Pointless Study. No one drinks coffee... (Score:2)
...anymore.
They drink double-caramel-triple-sugar-extra-cream Venti Fuckachinos. And all that shit, DOES harm and/or kill you prematurely.
You might be able to find 1 person out of 1,000 who knows what black coffee even tastes like.
Pointless study, is pointless.
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You might be able to find 1 person out of 1,000 who knows what black coffee even tastes like.
Pointless study, is pointless.
Meanwhile, back in our reality, "35% of coffee drinkers prefer black coffee" -
Meanwhile, less than 25% of Americans prefer black coffee, which tends to confirm my point in the United States of Fatmerica.
Yes, and... (Score:1)
UP TO.... 5 cups (Score:2)
Knew someone who drank 20 - 25 cups a day and while that may not significantly stiffen arteries, it definitely wrecked havoc on his nerves.
This guy was in shape, strong and wasn't someone to sit on the couch all day... but
He was always super high strung and nervous.
& died of a heart attack in front of his wife and daughter.
It was determined the stress on his heart from being high strung and nervous all the time were likely the cause.
I think the up to part is one of those duh things. It could be 1 cup fo
Here's another study (Score:2)
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And here is one on coffee consumption habits in France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Yahoo for Mt Dew (Score:2)
So, my 12 pack a day habit of Mt. Dew is good to go? I'm a virtual lab rat for them....age 60, and drinking it steadily since my 20s w/o issue.
Victory! Take *that*, doctor! ... 'scuse me a sec. (Score:2)
My doctor has been harassing me for years about my caffeine intake, warning me that my heart is going to explode. I never believed her and entirely ignored her advice; now I can show her this article the next time I go see her. Yes! Victory is mine!
I mean, it's an entirely hollow victory, since I just recently decided to drastically reduce my caffeine intake for an entirely different reason*... but still!
(* I got tired of the frequent mad dashes to the bathroom... and you definitely don't want to know the
Non-dairy creamer (Score:2)
That stuff will kill you long before the coffee can.
Atrial fibrillation (Score:1)
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What happens with 100 cups of coffee? (Score:2)
Units! (Score:2)
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it is not the 25 cups of coffee that is keeping the heart healthy. it is the exercise you get walking to and from the bathroom that is keeping you healthy.
According to this study... (Score:2)
I'd have to drink over two pots of coffee/day. That's a lot even for a caffeine addict like me. I draw the line at one pot/day.
The first rule of Science Club (Score:2)
The first rule of Science Club is wait until a study comes out that says you're fine to drink (checks his window desk) four double shot espresso drinks a day.
Then laugh at all the non-science geeks who envy you, and switched to ferret droppings, which cause liver damage.
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It is indeed paid for by coffee.
There have been SOOOO many studies done trying to prove coffee is unhealthy for this, that, or the other reason. Instead, they always come back saying the opposite. It's really quite remarkable how bullet-proof coffee is. Everyone is trying to tear it down or make it sound unhealthy (and if you drink it with too much milk and sugar it is very unhealthy) - but black coffee seems to actually be one of the healthiest things out there.