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Amazon Removes Anti-Vaccine Movies After CNN Inquiry (cnn.com) 362

"Amazon has apparently started removing anti-vaccine documentaries from its Amazon Prime Video streaming service," reports CNN: The move came days after a CNN Business report highlighted the anti-vaccine content available on the site, and hours after Rep. Adam Schiff wrote an open letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, saying he is concerned "that Amazon is surfacing and recommending" anti-vaccination books and movies....

Amazon did not respond to questions about why the films are no longer available on Prime Video.

However, while some anti-vaccine videos are gone from the Prime streaming service, a number of anti-vaccine books were still available for purchase on Amazon.com when CNN Business reviewed search results on Friday afternoon, and some were still being offered for free to Kindle Unlimited subscribers... Amazon also had not removed some anti-vaccine books that CNN Business had previously reported on, which users searching the site could mistake for offering neutral information accepted by the public health community.

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Amazon Removes Anti-Vaccine Movies After CNN Inquiry

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  • Not going to work (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:50AM (#58206776)
    This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy. If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.
    • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:56AM (#58207088)

      This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy.

      You are absolutely correct. However, the real issue here is not the people that already believe this bullshit but the people that may be inclined to believe bullshit by a spreader of said bullshit.

      If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.

      A good start but I think we should go one further and show how much money is made by "big pharma" from each kid that gets sick from these diseases and then claim they founded the anti-vax movement. ;)

    • by umafuckit ( 2980809 ) on Sunday March 03, 2019 @05:02AM (#58207208)

      This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy. If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.

      It probably won't get their attention: they are blind to reason. They will just think the film is propaganda and either not watch it or do so but use twisted logic to disregard it. People believe the Earth is flat, so believing vaccines are bad for you is a far easier delusion to maintain. The only thing that might change their minds is if their kids die or are debilitated by the diseases they are failing to vaccinate them against. Their current belief system has little of any obvious repercussions on themselves, so it's easy to continue the self deception.

    • it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy.

      I've never met an anti-vaxxer who wasn't already as hunkered down as humanly possible. Once you get to this stage you have given up on all sense of logic and have firmly planted yourself in the realm of highly extreme anti-establishment and anti-science.

    • I think that will get their attention.

      The lord works in mysterious ways. No seriously I know of an anti-vaxxer who had one of her children die, and she's still 100% anti-vax. When the news about her broke in the local newspaper she also complained that she doesn't understand why everyone thinks she's a horrible person for doing something "she believes in".

      These people are in a different world. Their brains don't tick right.

      • The lord works in mysterious ways. No seriously I know of an anti-vaxxer who had one of her children die, and she's still 100% anti-vax. When the news about her broke in the local newspaper she also complained that she doesn't understand why everyone thinks she's a horrible person for doing something "she believes in".

        These people are in a different world. Their brains don't tick right.

        That's not that weird, It's just sunk cost fallacy, which is illogical but normal human nature. Someone's invested so much into an idea that, in their mind, it has to be justified.

        It's part of what keeps victims paying in advance fee fraud. It's part of what can keep otherwise competent people following a doomed course on a failing project.

        You can't have much more invested in an idea than to have lost a child to i t. It's not surprising that someone can't face accepting that they've done so unnecessarily.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Yeah you've hit it. The woman with the dead child is the very one that is NEVER going to admit she's wrong because then she'd be force to confront the fact that her beliefs killed her child.

    • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Sunday March 03, 2019 @06:57AM (#58207396)

      it just makes the people who already believe

      It's not the people you already you need to worry about. It's the ones who don't believe but who are receptive to this kind of crap. It doesn't even have to turn them into true believers to cause harm. It just has to sow doubt / fear / distrust so they don't get shots and put their children and others at risk of serious harm or death

      Amazon and social media sites don't have to stop hosting antivax (though that would be nice), but there is no reason either that they should give it due prominence. If someone searches for vaccine information, then the science, evidence based information should appear before any antivax stuff. Bury the antivax results where they belong. There is no reason either for Amazon, or social media services to actively promote the antivax through suggestions, keywords, targeted ads etc.

      If major websites actively did that then eventually this brain damage would be contained. There would always be true believers but it would not be a mainstream belief. So yes it could work, providing the likes of Amazon grew a pair and actually did something.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:23AM (#58207436) Homepage Journal

      Then why is it only now becoming a big problem? This kind of material has existed for decades but was hard to find and access. Yet suddenly the movement is taking off again. What is your explanation?

      The reality is that it's become a big monkey maker for some people, who have figured out how to push it. Where as previously no publisher or movie theatre would have given then a platform, Amazon and YouTube decided they wanted to be the new platforms but that any kind of moderation probably wasn't necessary.

      • There have always been plenty of cranks. If it seems like there are more of them now, it's only because the internet makes it easy for them to gather in a single place. Movies were previously expensive to make and distribute, but the democratizing effects of technology mean that any idiot with a phone and an internet connection can produce and distribute video content.

        Don't mistake people calling attention to something for an increase in that thing, especially when no one was really looking at it before.
    • Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents.

      They could equally well interpret it as being God's will, that he wanted some new angels or was testing their faith or something.

      Like that dude who applied for a lot of jobs and was told not to look back but he did and was assaulted by a pillock.

  • It was there because it was low cost. Whomever made it sold it for very cheap to get out their message. Just like all the UFO documentaries. People are choosing to watch it so amazon was showing it.

    While Amazon doesn't have to sell anything they don't want to I think it's wrong of them. To editorialize means you are biased which in turn gives reason for people to distrust you. If you sensor some things and not others it henceforth means you endorse them. It's a huge can of worms. And just like banned books

  • A mistake... (Score:2, Interesting)

    I respectfully disagree with this action. It is not the place of governments, libraries, or bookstores (including Amazon) to police content. The slippery slope argument is very appropriate here.

  • Netflix removed "Root Cause", which blames root canals for a host of medical problems, due to complaints from dentist groups. I saw it before that happened, and while I found it irritating and often flaky, it definitely made me think. Then I found a rebuttal, and I decided there is real reason for concern.

    https://www.todaysrdh.com/root... [todaysrdh.com]

    Should the anti-vaxxing pieces have been removed? Tough call.

  • Any time you run across anti-vaxxers, show them how preventable diseases affected the life of people who did not get vaccinated.

    I grew up before vaccination for polio was common, and saw many kids and colleagues who were disabled, ranging from simple limping to having totally non-functional limbs. And those are the lucky ones, who survived the disease. Others died.

    Show them examples of that: how Itzhak Perlman walks on stage [youtu.be], because he was disabled by polio when he was a child. Tell them that when he trav

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