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Mars One is Dead (engadget.com) 263

The company that aimed to put humanity on the red planet has met an unfortunate, but wholly-expected end. Engadget reports: Mars One Ventures, the for-profit arm of the Mars One mission was declared bankrupt back in January, but wasn't reported until a keen-eyed Redditor found the listing. It was the brainchild of Dutch entrepreneur Bas Lansdorp, previously the founder of green energy company Ampyx Power. Lansdorp's aim was to start a company that could colonize one of our nearest neighbors. Mars One was split into two ventures, the non-profit Mars One Foundation and the for-profit Mars One Ventures. The Swiss-based Ventures AG was declared bankrupt by a Basel court on January 15th and was, at the time, valued at almost $100 million. Mars One Ventures PLC, the UK-registered branch, is listed as a dormant company with less than $25,000 in its accounts. There is no data available on the non-profit Mars One Foundation, which funded itself by charging its commercial partner licensing fees. Speaking to Engadget, Bas Lansdorp said that the Foundation is still operating, but won't be able to act without further investment. Lansdorp declined to give further comment beyond saying that he was working with other parties "to find a solution."
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  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Monday February 11, 2019 @11:23AM (#58103606)

    Mars One Ventures, the for-profit arm of the Mars One mission was declared bankrupt back in Jaunary.

    Their invent-new-month-names department blew up their budget.

  • This is a good thing. We need to stop obsessing about Mars. Once humanity moves off-earth, the dumbest thing we could do is settle onto another planetary surface. We would just be moving from one gravity well to another. The asteroids should be our colonial target.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      No, the dumbest thing is to move off-earth.

      • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Monday February 11, 2019 @11:57AM (#58103836) Homepage

        No, the dumbest thing is to move off-earth.

        I'm sitting here wondering what your logic is behind this. It really defies common sense to have this mind set. Sooner or later there will be a extinction level event that we will not be able to prevent. Logically, it doesn't make any sense to remain planet bound once we develop the technology to move off planet.

        I agree that Mars isn't best place to spread too. Personally, I think we should focus our efforts on Venus. But staying planet bound is a death sentence for our civilization, if not our species, at some point.

        • But staying planet bound is a death sentence for our civilization, if not our species, at some point.

          Is this necessarily a bad thing? Just like most folks learn to accept that they won't live forever, maybe we just need to accept that our civilization and our species won't live forever?

          Sure, it would great if we eventually move off Earth. But we shouldn't do it out of fear.

          • Space Nutters are narcissists and think they are going to live forever. Preferably as far away from poor people and the huddled masses as they can get!
          • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

            Is this necessarily a bad thing? Just like most folks learn to accept that they won't live forever, maybe we just need to accept that our civilization and our species won't live forever?

            I don't understand the logic behind this. Sure our species will cease to exist. It will do so in one of two ways. We will evolve into a more advanced species or we will go extinct. You act like you want to us to go extinct. What is the logic behind your thinking?

        • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

          I agree that Mars isn't best place to spread too. Personally, I think we should focus our efforts on Venus. But staying planet bound is a death sentence for our civilization, if not our species, at some point.

          Why Venus? Surface temperature of 800 degrees, acidic atmosphere. People have speculated building floating outposts, but is that really easier than colonizing Mars?

          • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

            Why Venus?

            Mars will never be a living breathing planet like Earth. It will always be a artificial world. Sure, we may terraform it but given time it will revert to how it is now. It may take a few million years but Mars will eventually die, again. Terra forming Mars will always be a never ending project.

            Venus has the mass, and the gravity that is pretty close to Earth. It could be another Earth, eventually. The things you brought up, 800 degree, acid atmosphere, are actually the easiest to correct. Not th

        • The only place where humans are adapted to live in the entire solar system is Earth. Even then we can only thrive on less than a quarter of the surface. The rest of the planet and solar system require significant amounts of resources to survive let alone thrive. The least hospitable places on Earth require orders of magnitude fewer resources to survive than anywhere off-planet and we don't bother trying to live there.

          The odds of a civilization ending event off Earth are far higher than on Earth. It would ta

      • But the beauty of colonizing an asteroid is that we don't have to go to the asteroid. We can bring the asteroid to earth, or at least earth orbit.

        Here is how we do it: Find a nice sized asteroid in a earth-crossing orbit, maybe a few cubic kilometers. Nudge it a bit with a fusion warhead, so that it veers closer to earth. Then adjust the orbit, so that it juuuust skims through the upper atmosphere. This will slow it enough to go into an eccentric elliptical orbit. A few more passes through the atmosph

        • So all we have to do is find an asteroid in earth-crossing orbit (if it crosses the earth orbit why does it need to veer closer to Earth?). Then we use a nuclear warhead to change its trajectory so it skims through the upper atmosphere. In space.

          The "Mars One" people are just being unrealistic.

          Enough said.

        • 50 billion tonnes of iron...

          The earth's crust is made of 5% iron. It's cheaper to dig some up here than get it down safely from low earth orbit.

          • The earth's crust is made of 5% iron. It's cheaper to dig some up here than get it down safely from low earth orbit.

            You are completely missing the point: YOU DON'T BRING IT DOWN. You use it to build a new civilization in space.

            So the proper comparison is not the cost to bring orbiting iron down, but the cost to bring terrestrial iron UP. Which is currently about $5000 per kg.

    • Mars is the best candidate for terraforming, but we may well need resources from asteroids to do it, so we should do both things. It does perhaps make sense to put more effort into asteroids, though, because we could use those resources here on Earth, too.

      • It definitely makes more sense to mine for resources on asteroids in space rather than mine them on Earth.
        • It definitely makes more sense to mine for resources on asteroids in space rather than mine them on Earth.

          I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, here... today we can't even do it, but could we have been doing it by now if we didn't just rest on our laurels after the space race? Yes or no, figuring it out has to be our next priority if we hope to continue capitalistic expansion without destroying our biosphere. It seems more likely at this point than humanity learning to live within its means here on Earth.

          • " but could we have been doing it by now if we didn't just rest on our laurels after the space race"

            No, we couldn't have been "doing it by now". Because it isn't possible to do. What makes Space Nutters think that these things are possible? Too much scifi and not enough actual knowledge.
            • What makes Space Nutters think that these things are possible? Too much scifi and not enough actual knowledge.

              Yeah, nothing that was imagined in science fiction [technovelgy.com] ever became reality! Here's a nickel, kid, buy a better argument. Try getting a valid one, you'll be less boring.

              • You are right: because one thing is possible ALL things are possible! My mistake. Say, have you guys terraformed that patch of desert yet? Made it livable? I can't wait to visit it soon.
    • relax bill. We will be hitting all of the above. We have to. Asteroids will be used for mining and ultimately for way stations. However, we still need to go to the moon and then mars. Both of these make sense.
      • Yes. It makes sense to mine asteroids.
  • The numbers don't close for funding space like a reality TV show.

  • This really was a waste of time. SpaceX will be going to Mars starting in 2022. That is only 3 years for now. I am sure Mars One saw that and gave up.
  • How much money did it move from the orbit of investors to the orbit of the recipients?

  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Monday February 11, 2019 @11:50AM (#58103770) Journal
    Seriously, anybody that thought that this had a chance does not understand what is involved in space travel.
    Right now, only 2 private ventures, Spacex and Blue Origin, are doing what is needed.
    • "What is needed"? You mean fulfilling the egos of billionaires? Is it any surprise the first idea these tech billionaires have after getting rich is building a rocket?
      • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Monday February 11, 2019 @12:02PM (#58103884)

        It's their money to spend... and I'd rather see them building rockets instead of wasting it on Louis XIV chairs and other useless crap.

        Now, where's my Tesla electric bicycle, damnit?

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        "What is needed" is a viable business model before even thinking about going to Mars. SpaceX has that, not sure about BO yet. They actually have to get to space first. But right now SpaceX is the only private company with a snowball's chance in hell of getting to Mars. The number of prerequisites to landing a person on another world is huge. Mars One didn't have a launcher, they didn't have a spacecraft, they didn't have a realistic way to gain the experience and funding needed for such an undertaking. Spac
  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Monday February 11, 2019 @11:58AM (#58103844) Journal
    The reason is that if you set up a station on mars, you have to assume that you can have as much as 3-6 months outage due to dust storms.
    As such, Amundsen–Scott offers the REAL extreme needed for testing (other than maybe putting a station on top of Everest or K2). Need real external power, so a SMALL 1MW nuclear power station really needs to be developed. In fact, that would be ideal for south pole so as to quit bringing diesel fuel for electricity.
    Likewise, the ppl would have to explore in space suits and gear in 0-40 C. This would give a decent testing of the equipment.
    Of course, doing similar in high planes desert would be smart as well, but that will only test a worn out dust.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Temperature concerns on mars are not as bad as Antartica. The diffuse atmosphere results in less thermal loss on the red planet.

  • In what way were they valued at 100 mil? All they had to their name was couple of bad CGI pictures.

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