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Mars One Delayed Its Mars Mission -- Again (time.com) 99

Mars One says its project to start a human colony on the Red Planet will be delayed by five years. The Dutch company says it will send its first crews to Mars in 2031 instead of its previous target date of 2026. From a report on Time: The venture is delaying its missions so it can raise more money, according to CEO Bas Lansdorp. "Of course the whole Mars One team would have preferred to be able to stick to the original schedule, but this new timeline significantly improves our odds of successfully achieving this mission roadmap," he said in a statement. This is far from the first time Mars One has delayed its project. Despite Lansdorp's confidence, other scientists have expressed significant doubts about the mission's feasibility.
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Mars One Delayed Its Mars Mission -- Again

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  • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:22AM (#53452295)

    that's all they need to get back on track

    they pinky swear they won't steal it

    • by Anonymous Coward

      And even if they don't steal it, if there are more fundaisers than engineers at Mars One, then the company might focus on what they do best and drift in the direction of perpetual fundraising.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yeah, so..

      Have they solved the problem of how to get people there with out giving them cancer? No.

      Have the solved the problem of how to live on Mars with out getting cancer? Otherwise you'll be spending your life on Mars underground.

      Gonna grow some vegies there? Better take some nice heavy dirt with you, the soil on Mars is toxic.

      Enjoy wasting everyones money on something pretty pointless.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Unfortunately, there are some people who haven't actually taken a look at the board of directors and realised that only a handful of them has a relevant degree and many of them have only marketing degrees (basically a piece of paper that means nothing)

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Who really expected otherwise?

    Seriously, you have a better chance of starting a seastead by 2020 than of getting to Mars by 2040.

    MarsOne doesn't seem to have real plans for getting there, and IMHO is just set up like Seasteading.org, as an elaborate donation/money laundering scheme with a goal just believable enough to get donation dollars while being unbelievable enough to have setbacks without getting demands for refunds.

  • by trawg ( 308495 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:32AM (#53452351) Homepage

    I'd like to only read news about Mars One when they /do/ do something, not when they don't do something. Especially when what they're trying to do now is raise more money.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope they go to Mars, but this project seems like a massive moonshot (ahahaha) and I think I had enough of project delay updates with Duke Nukem Forever.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    What a scam! Shut these fuckers down... Don't give 'em a dime, except to make a call to their lawyer..

    C'mon Slashdot, you're posting some pretty crappy stories here. Put this one in the tabloid section

  • Moller Air Car (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:36AM (#53452379) Journal

    Oh, hell, sure - we're still going to do this thing, we just need another round of funding. I swear just a few million (billion) more and we're going to absolutely get this to fly. Right after I finish paying of the yacht.

  • by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:38AM (#53452395) Homepage

    I know they have concepts and maybe some engineering drawings but have they actually contracted out for the development of anything? There has to be some supporting equipment they could be accumulating right now, right?

    I wonder if they ever considered partnering with a company like SpaceX?

    I could see this going somewhere with the right mix of companies, but right now I just don't see one organization pulling it all together.

    • You don't really need to develop anything. The actual engineering is trivial. The hard part is figuring out that you need to "add asteroid dust to the hull to block radiation". And we had worked that out years ago. Some of that was worked out here on Slashdot!!!
      • by Anonymous Coward

        The hard part is figuring out that you need to "add asteroid dust to the hull to block radiation".

        This is how you shield a spaceship [physicsworld.com]

        • And there ya go: "this is how you protect a spacecraft" that includes a link to an Internet article. That pretty much sums it up for Space Nutters.
          • The only nutter I see around here is you, who for some reason argue against something that isn't true, usually with yourself as AC, and shout out space nutters as if you have actually disproven space travel.

            Do you also believe the moon landings were a hoax?

    • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:18AM (#53452647)

      I know they have concepts and maybe some engineering drawings but have they actually contracted out for the development of anything?

      No. It's a scam and an obvious one. Do not take any of it seriously. It's annoying that they keep getting headlines in spite of their lies.

      I could see this going somewhere with the right mix of companies, but right now I just don't see one organization pulling it all together.

      Unless one or more of the bigger nation states gets involved there simply won't be adequate funding to make it happen. We're talking tens to hundreds of billions to actually pull off a mission to Mars. For profit companies aren't going to get involved because shockingly enough there is no profit in such a venture even if it were a serious endeavor, which it is not. Private funding wouldn't remotely be sufficient and governments aren't involved. The only organizations that are capable of developing the technology to make a Mars mission happen are not involved with Mars One.

      • Unless one or more of the bigger nation states gets involved there simply won't be adequate funding to make it happen. We're talking tens to hundreds of billions to actually pull off a mission to Mars. For profit companies aren't going to get involved because shockingly enough there is no profit in such a venture even if it were a serious endeavor, which it is not. Private funding wouldn't remotely be sufficient and governments aren't involved. The only organizations that are capable of developing the technology to make a Mars mission happen are not involved with Mars One.

        Elon has said that a manned Mars mission would cost at least $200 Billion and possibly $600 Billion. I doubt that Mars One has anything to offer Space X. Their funding is small and drying up. I doubt their engineering is anything better than Space X could come up with in a weekend. Their hype machine is probably less than Elon himself let alone a project he could start. Their idea that the cost to Mars can be magically reduced by leaving everybody there to die is a farcical nonstarter.

        • by catprog ( 849688 )

          To get from mars to earth requires you to either ship fuel or make fuel their.

          You remove that and you remove some cost.

          • To get from mars to earth requires you to either ship fuel or make fuel their.

            You remove that and you remove some cost.

            A trivial cost in the total cost of such a venture and much less than the extra materials they'd have to take to make an attempt at a self sustaining colony. the way things are shaping up now, they (Space X, as those are the only people seriously looking at going to Mars) will test their landing craft and need to do so to make sure they can land and do it where they want. One of these will contain the apparatus to collect the fuel from the Martian air and prove that it will work before humans ever leave for

    • They released some study contracts to Lockheed Martin and Surrey Satellite Technology , but the contracts were not for producing any real hardware.

      http://www.mars-one.com/news/p... [mars-one.com]

    • by erice ( 13380 )

      I know they have concepts and maybe some engineering drawings but have they actually contracted out for the development of anything? There has to be some supporting equipment they could be accumulating right now, right?

      Exactly. To meet the original schedule there would very soon be evidence of physical progress. Since they haven't done anything real, the schedule had to slip.

  • What? (Score:5, Funny)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:40AM (#53452403) Homepage Journal
    This is personally really bad for me. I was one of the people who were selected to go and was all ready and trained. I am not sure what could be the problem here, we had a good plan and website. Maybe just a temporary snag?
  • ...right after the perfect practical fusion.

    Once that tiny little hurdle is overcome, it's off to Mars!

  • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:00AM (#53452511)

    Why does this obvious scam continue to get headlines from slashdot? Or anyone else for that matter. This is nothing more than some crooked and/or delusional people preying on the credulous. Without the resources of a nation state backing the project there is absolutely no way this could possibly happen. The technology to make it happen does not (yet) exist and the organizations who are capable of developing it (read NASA and peers) aren't involved with any of this. Furthermore any credible mission to Mars will cost tens and more likely hundreds of billions of US$ to even have a prayer of working at all much less in such a ludicrously short time span.

    Seriously, why does this drivel keep getting the time of day?

    • by Anonymous Coward


      Why does this obvious scam continue to get headlines from slashdot?

      Because it's an obvious scam that's unfolding over a period of years into a confirmed scam. I'll pop a bottle of champagne when Bas Landsdorp is convicted of fraud, and throw in jail. (Sadly this is unlikely to happen). It's like watching a slow speed train wreck happen. Some people get hurt, and you try to tell them of the wreck that's unfolding, but they don't listen. So all you can do is stand aside and watch.

    • Why does this obvious scam continue to get headlines from slashdot? Or anyone else for that matter. This is nothing more than some crooked and/or delusional people preying on the credulous. Without the resources of a nation state backing the project there is absolutely no way this could possibly happen. The technology to make it happen does not (yet) exist and the organizations who are capable of developing it (read NASA and peers) aren't involved with any of this. Furthermore any credible mission to Mars will cost tens and more likely hundreds of billions of US$ to even have a prayer of working at all much less in such a ludicrously short time span.

      Not entirely true, I think a private organization could go to Mars, but it would have to be a big established organization (like a Boeing, or maybe SpaceX in 10 years) who has a lot of credibility, expertise, and resources to throw behind the project.

      I don't think Mars One has a chance because even if they had the capability to pull off a major project like this they don't have anyway to demonstrate that. And if people aren't convinced they're capable they won't attract the big money and expertise they need

      • Not entirely true, I think a private organization could go to Mars, but it would have to be a big established organization (like a Boeing, or maybe SpaceX in 10 years) who has a lot of credibility, expertise, and resources to throw behind the project.

        No profit making public company can possibly go to Mars. There is no profit to be had in doing so or if there is, nobody has found it yet. If you were CEO of Boeing and you went into a board meeting and proposed going to Mars, you would be out of job 5 minutes later. It would be the shortest board meeting ever. A Mars mission is HUGELY expensive, there is no discernible profit to be had in doing so, and the risks of failure are enormous. Businesses can't do things with huge costs, minimal if any revenu

        • but Boeing would gladly made the rockets for a Mars mission, or even be the primary contractor for such...as long as there was a paying customer. Of course that's a big difference from being a "Mars starup" looking for investors

        • No profit making public company can possibly go to Mars. There is no profit to be had in doing so or if there is, nobody has found it yet. If you were CEO of Boeing and you went into a board meeting and proposed going to Mars, you would be out of job 5 minutes later. It would be the shortest board meeting ever. A Mars mission is HUGELY expensive, there is no discernible profit to be had in doing so, and the risks of failure are enormous. Businesses can't do things with huge costs, minimal if any revenue, and high probability of failure.

          SpaceX can only talk about Mars because they are privately held and Elon Musk effectively controls the company so the board has to indulge him. It's a vanity project for him but even they aren't seriously doing the things that would be necessary to make a Mars mission actually happen within my remaining lifespan. They have a business sending rockets into low earth orbit and still working the kinks out for that. Explain to me how they make enough money to finance even a vanity project to Mars much less do it as a profit making enterprise. Talk is cheap. Rockets to Mars aren't.

          For profit there are two main ways.

          First is a massive 20-10-5 billion dollar X-prize to the first three groups to successfully colonize. I don't know if those are reasonable incentive numbers but they're certainly cheap enough for a major government to fund just for the prestige.

          Second is homesteading. There's no value in Martian real-estate right now, but in 200 years? 500? How much would companies pay to have governments recognize their property rights over a decent sized chunk of Mars? I'm not sure how m

          • First is a massive 20-10-5 billion dollar X-prize to the first three groups to successfully colonize.

            $20 billion won't even be close to enough money. It certainly won't cover the cost of such a venture. $20 Billion is roughly NASA's annual budget today in 2016. It's certainly not enough to cover the cost of a colonization. Colonizing Mars will cost TRILLIONS of dollars. Probably tens or even hundreds of trillions. $20 billion wouldn't even buy you the Apollo program on an inflation adjusted basis.

            Second is homesteading. There's no value in Martian real-estate right now, but in 200 years? 500? How much would companies pay to have governments recognize their property rights over a decent sized chunk of Mars? I'm not sure how markets would treat it, but property rights are very stable, I'm betting the value would be substantial.

            I think you don't understand how capital markets work. The value of Mars real estate is zero and will re

    • by arth1 ( 260657 )

      It gets attention because of people remembering that we managed to send people to the moon in just a few short years, and thinking that with the technology improvements between then and now, it shouldn't be too hard.

      Unfortunately, it is quite a different challenge than sending a few men wearing diapers on a 3 day trip in a tin can. It's not even in the same ballpark as problems go. It's like if 15th century men were comparing rowing across the English Channel to sailing around the world. One is a stunt,

    • We live in a world where people are no longer capable of recognizing well-marketed scams. Hence this, and the president-elect.

    • Why does this obvious scam continue to get headlines from slashdot?

      At this point, it's because /. likes Mars and we like to bitch. It gets the hits and the comments, so they keep posting them.

  • Scaaaaaam (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The instant they announced a fee to "apply" to be one of their "astronauts," anyone with half a brain could see these idiots were grifters. Of course, the other option was pie-in-the-sky delusionals, but at least that would have been honest.

  • And it always will be.

  • www.space.com/34351-obama-says-america-will-send-people-to-mars.html

  • Of the Linux Desktop overtaking Windows...

    Of the Mars One space craft liftoff...

    This will be the year, I promise..... Oh, wait... NEXT year will be the year, I promise..... (lather, rinse and repeat..)

    Just a guess.. Neither will happen in my lifetime.

  • Isn't there something someone can do to shut these clowns down?
    Sue them into oblivion, arrest them for false advertising, or libel or something?

  • You really must be a moron to believe they actually will use the money for a mission, it's never gonna happen. All they do is take a large amount as a salary and the rest is spent on mockups to attract more investors. They haven't shown any real serious stuff.
  • ''Always ten years away'' sounds much more accurate than ''always five years away''.

  • Kraft Erhicke said, “If God intended man to be a space faring species he would have given them a Moon.” (found this in Paul Spudis’ 2016 book 'Value of the Moon").
  • a company devoid of the technology and money it would take to make a manned Mars mission says the mission is delayed. Nothing was delayed, that company is not going to Mars in 2031, even a global superpower pouring hundreds of billions won't go there within two decades, technological impossibility. I'm all for colony on Mars, but that will be by USA or China and in 40+ years, that's reality.

  • And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead...

  • For a moment I was worried that SpaceX's attempt to land on Mars (without humans) was going to be delayed. Oh no, that would push it back by two years until the orbits line up again! (not that it won't probably get delayed by a cycle anyhow)

    Then I realized it was those scammy Mars colonly guys that I had forgotten about.

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