NASA's Jupiter Mission Juno Reveals Giant Polar Storms (bbc.com) 21
NASA's Juno mission to the gas giant Jupiter has reached its halfway mark and has revealed new views of cyclones at the poles. The BBC reports: As it orbits the planet every 53 days - Juno performs a science-gathering dive, speeding from pole to pole. Its sensors take measurements of the composition of the planet, in an effort to decipher how the largest world in our Solar System formed. Mapping the magnetic and gravity fields should also expose Jupiter's structure.
But images from JunoCam -- a camera that was intended to capture images that could be shared with the public -- has already given us some surprising insights. "When we made our first pass over the poles, we knew we were seeing a territory on Jupiter we had never seen before," said Dr Candice Hansen, from the Planetary Science Institute in Arizona. "What we did not expect was that we would see these orderly polygons of cyclones; huge storms - twice the size of Texas."
But images from JunoCam -- a camera that was intended to capture images that could be shared with the public -- has already given us some surprising insights. "When we made our first pass over the poles, we knew we were seeing a territory on Jupiter we had never seen before," said Dr Candice Hansen, from the Planetary Science Institute in Arizona. "What we did not expect was that we would see these orderly polygons of cyclones; huge storms - twice the size of Texas."
Why is this surprising? (Score:2, Interesting)
Why is this surprising? Saturn has a hexagonal pattern near its north pole. This arises from strong horizontal wind shears and the resulting barotropic instability. The result is that the flow breaks down into periodic vortices. This can be demonstrated in lab experiments and we observe it on Earth at other scales of motion. The eyewall of a hurricane frequently isn't circular, but tends to break down into a pentagon shape with five persistent mesovortices. The same process is responsible, just at a differe
" twice the size of Texas " (Score:2, Insightful)
What does this even mean? How many Arizonas is that? Are we talking edge to edge laid out, and if so which orientation? There's a damn reason Europe went with the metric system and not the Texas system.
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What does this even mean? How many Arizonas is that? Are we talking edge to edge laid out, and if so which orientation? There's a damn reason Europe went with the metric system and not the Texas system.
You are over-thinking it. They simply mean that those cyclones are the biggest cyclones on this side of the Mississippi.
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Most importantly, do they or do they not have a panhandle?
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It means that it's time for Michael Bay to start work on Armageddon 2. [ref [youtu.be]]
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It means "almost as big as Alaska"....
It also means that an article written for an American audience, quoting an American scientist (who presumably wants her audience to understand her), uses comparatives understandable to most Americans....
Re:new images != revelation (Score:5, Insightful)
Your comment implies the cost of this Juno mission was somehow wasted money. If talking about waste, start & compare with biggest / most wasteful use of resources. How about... the US defense budget?
Lifetime cost of the Juno mission: in the order of US$ 1,100,000,000. ;-)
Year 2017 US defense budget: in the order of US$ 600,000,000,000. Did I get that number of 0's right, or should I add some more?
So for the cost of 1 year's US defense budget, you could launch >500 Juno sized space missions. (numbers courtesy Wikipedia)
Who profits from this?
Juno: as with all scientific space missions: ultimately, everyone on this planet to some degree. Including the part of the world population that doesn't help foot the bill.
US defense: mostly a small clique of people in the vast military-industrial complex.
Results -
Juno: a better understanding of the universe we all live in. Yes, even if you don't feel or see it, Jupiter is part of that universe. And does/did have effect on mankind (for starters: us being here at all).
US defense: some good, sure. But a lot of it just the US acting like an 800p gor^H^H^H bully that forces other (sovereign) nations into submission. Often at the cost of many human lives.
As for new discoveries: there tends to be a lot of time between science missions that target a similar set of objectives. Like, decades. That means: much better instruments, much more & more detailed data coming out. That in itself is scientific progress - no matter what you make of that data. For humanity as a whole, 'small' missions like Juno are cheap. Especially the unmanned kind.
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lots of logical fallacies don't count as a valid refutation, nor does down voting of my comment. all that only indicate the degeneration of this site from when i joined. no wonder there is ever less activity here.
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1st you presume to know what i "imply" without any evidence.
2nd you try to refute my alleged implied argument by pointing out allegedly more wasteful actions. one waste does not excuse another, and i didn't make an argument about waste
3rd you try to explain why scientific space missions and unders
This really isn't that profound (Score:1, Informative)
Not to sound like I'm undermining the idea of learning more about Jupiter, but are they just going to report this every single time Juno goes by the poles?
Re:This really isn't that profound (Score:5, Interesting)
And that's part of the point. The storms at the poles are incredibly stable. They're the same storms as raged a year ago. Simulations of atmospheres like Jupiter's, either in the lab or on a computer, do show lots of short-lived storms, but usually those drift together to form a giant red spot.
There has been a question as to whether they've shown any other stable storms and the general consensus, insofar as I can ascertain, is no. I know of no simulation showing hexagonal storms, either. However, there will be plenty of simulations I don't know of, one of those might. That it caught everyone on the hop, it wasn't a prediction made in advance, suggests that it was not in any simulation.
Which means that there are complex processes on Saturn and Jupiter that we're not sure of.
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> I know of no simulation showing hexagonal storms, either.
Have a look at a synoptic chart that covers the south pole (Antartica) some time. What you have to remember is that our planet has a land mass at the southern pole and Jupiter does not. Due to all of the land close to the northern pole, the same weather conditions are not possible.
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-precip&tz=AEDT&area=SH&model=G
The hexagonal pattern is not far off what we observe tod