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Humanity Has Wiped Out 60% of Animal Populations Since 1970 (theguardian.com) 303

Artem Tashkinov shares a report: The new estimate of the massacre of wildlife is made in a major report produced by WWF and involving 59 scientists from across the globe. It finds that the vast and growing consumption of food and resources by the global population is destroying the web of life, billions of years in the making, upon which human society ultimately depends for clean air, water and everything else. Many scientists believe the world has begun a sixth mass extinction, the first to be caused by a species -- Homo sapiens. Other recent analyses have revealed that humankind has destroyed 83% of all mammals and half of plants since the dawn of civilisation and that, even if the destruction were to end now, it would take 5-7 million years for the natural world to recover. Tanya Steele, chief executive at WWF, said: "We are the first generation to know we are destroying our planet and the last one that can do anything about it."
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Humanity Has Wiped Out 60% of Animal Populations Since 1970

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  • First generation? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @09:04AM (#57561293) Homepage Journal
    I'm pretty sure we have known this for generations and could have taken action earlier. Unfortunately, there is no financial incentive to do so. In fact, the financial incentive is to do the opposite: clear land for farming, living, raw materials. This is the real threat to humanity: the destruction of continuous habitat and forests. But the focus is on "Climate Change" because we can implement carbon trading and taxes on it and "fix it".
    • Most logging companies in the US plan two new trees for each one cut down. The financial incentive is clear.

      I agree with you that is one of the reasons there is a focus on "Climate Change." Another reason is it gives government a reason to take over or regulate industries. It gives us a handy enemy list as well - big oil, big lumber, etc.

      • Re:First generation? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Ly4 ( 2353328 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @09:39AM (#57561507)

        Logging companies aren't the ones destroying habitat. That's mostly from farming and ranching, and suburban growth.

        Brazil just elected a president who wants to privatize even more of the Amazon, so expect the rate of deforestation there to increase from its current rate of six square miles per day [wikipedia.org].

        • Brazil just elected a president who wants to privatize even more of the Amazon, so expect the rate of deforestation there to increase from its current rate of six square miles per day [wikipedia.org].

          I'm not in Brazil, so I don't know this first hand, but I suspect that as with the US, the respectable people wouldn't address things that needed addressing, so the voters went with the unrespectable person.

      • Re:First generation? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:27AM (#57561895)

        Unfortunately they almost exclusively replant fast growing species like pine. They are planning for the next trip through that area in 20-30 years to cut down mature trees again. They hardly ever plant hardwoods and when they do it's only because they are forced to by state or local regulations. They will come through and cut down trees that take 50 to 70 years to reach maturity. Trees that are worth a ton of money because they take so long to grow. Then they plant cheap, fast growing pine to "replace" the hardwoods they cut. Even if they plant 10 pine trees for every hardwood they cut down it's still not a fair trade.

        I'm glad they are planting more trees but don't pat them on the back. They have a financial incentive to plant a ton of evergreen trees. They will need something to cut down and process in the future. It has exactly zero to do with environmental stewardship and everything to do with future profits. The one and only reason companies in the US do anything that seems environmentally responsible is because they are either forced to do so by regulations or because they know if they don't they will go out of business since their won't be any trees left for them to cut down.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by sycodon ( 149926 )

          Hardwoods account for a very small portion of lumber sales precisely because they don't grow fast.

          Pine forests are being replaced by Pine forests.

        • I'm glad they are planting more trees but don't pat them on the back. They have a financial incentive to plant a ton of evergreen trees.

          Well yeah, that's exactly what I said. What part of my second sentence was unclear? ;)

    • That is the real problem now.
      These issues have long term affects while we are evolved to fix short term problems. The disciplines of Math and Science can show us trends and long term projections, and give us these big picture complex problems. But the solutions to solve these big problems seem to require suffering short term problems, which we are evolved to instinctively respond to.
      If a predator is threatening myself or my family, I am not going to go, well this animal is endangered, and us humans are ov

    • Anything at this point first world countries could do would be labeled imperialist/colonialist... though I'm not sure that means they shouldn't act. The US for example this past century has been doing very well. Our conservation model is one of the most successful in the world imo. Europe is more likely to be introducing species back than destroying existing ones I'd think -though there are always exceptions. In the end preserving species means limiting the growth of populations in South America, Africa
  • I assume they mean 60% of species, not 60% total individuals of animals. Bugs are animals, and many of them are thriving on our leftovers, processing, and farming leftoves. We've spread ants around the globe. They already were there- but we've spread more invasive ones that have huge numbers in colonies.

    Now, if we ever want to become 100% efficient as a species (meaning utilizing 100% of resources and not letting any skip through the cracks)- that would mean wiping out 100% of animals and making sure all

    • It was 60% of /populations/ of vertebrates, so not species extinction, but local extirpation. Kind of a funny number, but an interesting one to consider. Essentially it is dealing with fragments in populations and how these makes them more vulnerable to extinction from further disruption or changes in climate and so on. With range discontinuities, a locally extirpated population won't repopulate unless intentionally put back by humans.
      • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

        They will eventually. Look at how quickly wolves and bears returned into the deserted areas around Chernobyl. 5-7 million years? More like a few decades.

        • We tried to bring back Passenger Pigeons before they went extinct, but we killed too many and crossed a threshold where they couldn't recover. Recovery is not a guarantee.
    • Re:60% of species (Score:5, Informative)

      by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:14AM (#57561791)

      Bugs are animals, and many of them are thriving on our leftovers...

      Nope.

      Bugs dying off too:

      https://www.theguardian.com/en... [theguardian.com]

    • by gnick ( 1211984 )

      ...that would mean wiping out 100% of animals and making sure all resources go directly towards sustaining human life.

      I consider pigs, chickens, and cattle resources for humans.

      • ...that would mean wiping out 100% of animals and making sure all resources go directly towards sustaining human life.

        I consider pigs, chickens, and cattle resources for humans.

        Not 100% efficient resources though. They use up energy and resources. For us to be 100% efficient we would need to get rid of food animals too... perhaps a pure plant or bacterial solution would be most efficient way to use up 100% of all energy... either that or find a way to photosynthesize for ourselves...

        • by gnick ( 1211984 )

          either that or find a way to photosynthesize for ourselves...

          If you haven't already started regularly injecting chlorophyll, then I'll reach peak efficiency before you.

  • Yeah, well except 99 percent of the species that ever existed are extinct.

  • by fedor ( 598123 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @09:22AM (#57561407)
    Humans account for about 36 percent of the biomass of all mammals. Domesticated livestock, mostly cows and pigs, account for 60 percent, and wild mammals for only 4 percent. https://www.ecowatch.com/bioma... [ecowatch.com]
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Here is a brilliant XKCD chart illustrating this very thing.

      Forest is being cut down to make room for for cattle grazing. the XKCD graphic above shows just how bad this situation is. Us humans outnumber ALL wild animal put together and out cattle outnumber us!

      100 times as much water is used to create a lb of beef than a lb of crops! Producing 1 calorie of animal protein uses over 10 times as much fossil fuels as 1 calorie of plant protein!

      I think in the long run the only chance we have is for us all to go v

      • 100 times as much water is used to create a lb of beef than a lb of crops!

        The steak tastes at least 1,000 times better than the lettuce leaf though, so it's worth it.

        I think in the long run the only chance we have is for us all to go vegan.

        Eventually we'll be able to grow meat in labs and it won't be nearly as expensive or have anywhere near the environmental impact. At that point, I don't see anyone being vegan unless they have some rare condition that necessitates that kind of diet.

      • 100 times as much water is used to create a lb of beef than a lb of crops!

        Your simplication is mostly wrong. The water requirements depend a lot on location and type of crop. Also you have to consider the type of water that's used. Rainwater that's falling out of the sky for free is a different than potable tap water, or ancient well water.

        Producing 1 calorie of animal protein uses over 10 times as much fossil fuels as 1 calorie of plant protein!

        Again, not true. There's a huge difference between protein content of different plant sources, as well as fossil fuel requirements. Very little fossil fuel is involved when you let a bunch of goats graze on grassy mountainside. A lot more is us

    • Obligatory XKCD of that: https://xkcd.com/1338/ [xkcd.com]

  • Fake News (Score:5, Funny)

    by fleabay ( 876971 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:08AM (#57561747)
    Vince McMahon is the chief executive at WWF, not some Tanya Steele who may not even be a real person.
  • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:09AM (#57561763) Journal

    The first step to protecting a future for our grand kids is to recognize there is NOT a global solution. There are probably already to many people.

    Population is the one driving factor. Everything else is a rounding error. Anyone who actually cares about the environment would be in favor of basically ending immigration. Limit agricultural exports and imports.

    Here in the US we are essentially at the replacement rate in terms of birth rate. Stop letting new outsiders in. Deal with the not nearly as complex economic problem of having a flat population size as compared to growth beyond sustainability or population decline.

    Let the rest of the worlds population 'naturally' adjust to the local carrying capacity of those places.

    • I'm conflicted.

      Fate is the who, where, when, and how (much money) one is born into.

      But we make enough food for the humans, at the expense of nature.

      Immigration isn't a bad thing, but it does need to be controlled (Example: the whole USA thing, tears for the natives at the time, they couldn't handle European diseases or our ignorance and hatred that they were equal persons).

      We should be carpet bombing the entire world with condoms and instructions for such. Population growth reduction is the only answer. R

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Let the rest of the worlds population 'naturally' adjust to the local carrying capacity of those places.

      The point is that there is no longer any "naturally". Even the poorest countries have access to enough technology that by the time their populations get large/dense enough that they are limited by starvation, etc. then the environments in those countries will be totally destroyed. Back when all the technology that people had was sharp rocks and rubbing sticks together to make fires, people would start starving to death long before the environment was completely destroyed. But that's no longer the case.

      The i

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      You know, it's always really fucking easy for someone who lives in a nice, safe, first-world country, who makes a nice, tidy six-digit income, owns his own home, a couple cars, has nice things, new clothes, and is perfectly safe 24/7/365, as is his wife and kids, to say shit like "Stop letting outsiders in" and "Let the rest of the worlds population 'naturally' adjust to the local carrying capacity of those places". You've never had to struggle like these people have just to have enough to eat or a roof ove
      • by quenda ( 644621 )

        or lived anywhere where violent criminal organizations threaten your life on a daily basis, or try to kidnap your children to turn into prostitutes or slaves or suicide bombers.

        Yes, and he would like to keep it that way, thankyou.
        If I'm in an overcrowded lifeboat, in freezing North Atlantic waters, I should pull more people on board until it capsizes? Describing foreigners that way is really not helping your argument, just scaring him more.

        • FWIW that guy doesn't sound scared, he sounds like some jackass who (at the risk of sounding like some SJW) needs to 'check his first-world country citizen privilege', stop being a selfish dick, and think about what actually motivates people to want to come here (or anywhere where they're not in fear of their lives or living in poverty their whole lives).

          You, on the other hand, are making me wonder if you're any better.
          • stop being a selfish dick

            The people that are coming over from Africa to Europe are all selfish dicks too. Most of them are young, strong men that are lucky enough to have the money to pay for the fare. Instead of helping to overthrow their corrupt government, they quit, and leave the problems for the less fortunate to solve.

    • Well that's pretty monstrous. Because what's the solution to "too many people"?

      Anyone who actually cares about the environment would be in favor of basically ending immigration.

      So that they'll magically stop making more people? So that they die out there?

      Limit agricultural exports and imports.

      The only possible goal for this action is to literally starve the people outside our nation. You are a monster.

      Let the rest of the worlds population 'naturally' adjust to the local carrying capacity of those places.

      That's a cute little euphemism for "let them die".

      But there is no "local" carrying capacity. We can ship food around and people can move. "Local" is defined as "planet Earth". Ignoring that, or suggesting we stop doing that is willfully ign

      • The only possible goal for this action is to literally starve the people outside our nation. You are a monster.

        If you don't let them starve, they'll make more people, and then more of them will starve after a few generations. You are a monster.

        • The only possible goal for this action is to literally starve the people outside our nation. You are a monster.

          If you don't let them starve, they'll make more people, and then more of them will starve after a few generations. You are a monster.

          Thanos, is that you?

    • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:59AM (#57562675)

      Let the rest of the worlds population 'naturally' adjust to the local carrying capacity of those places.

      Hmm, so, what's the "carrying capacity" of New York City? Or Los Angeles? Hell, it's not like they grow enough food in either of those places to feed the Police Department, much less the rest of the people!

      Or was this just your way of saying, "let them brown people starve, damnit! And pass the mashed potatoes"?

      Note that if we were to drop back to the "natural carrying capacity" of the land, we'd have to drop back to the "natural" number of humans. Say, a few tens of thousands living in caves.

      Oddly enough, I'm willing to bet that everyone who wants to "drop back to the natural carrying capacity of the land" assumes that they'll be part of the 0.001% who survives the famines/plagues/wars that'll be required to make sure Those Others do the dying.

      • I'm willing to bet that everyone who wants to "drop back to the natural carrying capacity of the land" assumes that they'll be part of the 0.001% who survives

        I can't speak for the others, but I'm more than happy to be part of the 99.999% myself.

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      Anyone who actually cares about the environment would be in favor of basically ending immigration.

      Ok but how do we keep our own country's citizens from filling up all the empty space? Ending immigration only changes who fill those spaces.

  • That's BS.

    We can do better than that! I have faith in humanity.

  • by His name cannot be s ( 16831 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:17AM (#57561811) Journal

    Better get used to it.

    It's still a long slide to the bottom.

  • It's their fault for being delicious.

  • Not only will we come up with new species but we'll resurrect useful extinct animals, just as we have been doing with plants. We'll correct imbalances such as the predatory purple urchins that are destroying kelp forests. We'll create fantastic creatures inspired by Dr. Seuss to amuse the children. We're gonna have some serious fun populating what's left of the natural world.

    Remember that most species, the most important ones, are too small for human eyes to see. The magnificent rhinos, giraffes, tigers ...

  • Pfft (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Maury Markowitz ( 452832 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:40PM (#57563337) Homepage

    "the world has begun a sixth mass extinction, the first to be caused by a species -- Homo sapiens"

    Cyanobacteria wiped out 90% of life on the planet. They still have us beat by a landslide.

    • Cyanobacteria wiped out 90% of life on the planet. They still have us beat by a landslide.

      Patience. We have only really started our efforts in the last century. I'm sure we'll catch up. Maybe we'll even get the cyanobacteria to pitch in.

  • by SocietyoftheFist ( 316444 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:53PM (#57563797)

    What species will adapt to these changes and thrive?

"...a most excellent barbarian ... Genghis Kahn!" -- _Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventure_

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