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SpaceX Says It Signed First Private Passenger To the Moon (nbcnewyork.com) 143

SpaceX announced Thursday that it's booked the world's first private passenger to the moon. The private aerospace company said on Twitter the unnamed traveler would board its Big Falcon Rocket (BFR) to the moon, where only 24 people have ever traveled. Only 12 of those people actually walked on the moon. NBC New York reports: SpaceX didn't reveal any details about the potentially historic voyage but said it plans to reveal the traveler's identity and more on Monday, Sept. 17. The company called the plan "an important step toward enabling access for everyday people who dream of traveling to space." Musk shared the announcement on his personal page but remained tight-lipped as well. However, when asked if the passenger was him, Musk responded with an emoji of the Japanese flag.
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SpaceX Says It Signed First Private Passenger To the Moon

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  • Lemme Guess (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15, 2018 @02:08AM (#57318294)

    Alice!

  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @02:17AM (#57318318)

    what I want to know is:

    How much does it cost?

  • A Japanese man was the first commercial space passenger back in the day, working for a Japanese TV company. Maybe it's the same deal, TV company is paying for one of its staff to go. Essentially funded by advertising.

  • Wonder if it was Satoshi. If he's really Japanese.
    Wasn't the first private passenger to the moon supposed to be on a SLS mission?

    • Wonder if it was Satoshi. If he's really Japanese.

      To me, it's obviously the private investor who secured the funding to take Tesla private.

      This is his "Thank You!" from Musk for the funding.

      Question for Slashdot physicists: Will a Boring Company Flamethrower work on the surface of the Moon . . . ?

      • Fire requires fuel and oxygen to burn. I doubt his flamethrower includes an oxygen tank as that would make it burn much hotter (unsafe).
    • by arth1 ( 260657 )

      Nah, the first passenger is going to be Vernon Unsworth.

  • by dohzer ( 867770 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @03:06AM (#57318406)

    So amazing. This must mean they are weeks away from heading there. I'm so excited for them!

    • Would be worrying I guess, but indeed, what a fantastic journey!
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Wouldn't this person need to go through a lot of training first? Training with the rest of the crew, who are presumably SpaceX or NASA personnel.

      I wonder what the trip will be like. Apollo and the planned Russian vehicles were very basic in terms of things like sleeping and toilet facilities. Probably won't be very comfortable but hopefully some improvements have been made.

      I wonder what they will wear too. Full suits are bulky and only really need for emergencies, mostly on ascent/rentry.

      • Yeah, money can't buy you everything. If someone is rich, but they're in poor physical condition, have outstanding medical condition(s) (like heart disease, diabetes, etc), or are just psychologically unsuited to being cooped up in a capsule for a week (which is how long it takes to make the round trip) then they're just not going to be allowed to go, they'd literally be a danger to themselves and others. Launch alone is enough to kill some people, or at least disable them, or at least freak them the hell o
        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          Yet there has been a number of paying customers that have gone to the space station. I'd assume most all of those would have qualified for the Moon trip, which isn't that different from spending a week in orbit, actually a round trip to the Moon is just an orbit in its simplest form.
          Even the release forms are probably the same.

          • LEO is so much closer than the Moon, and the ISS has so many times more room inside it than any vehicle SpaceX could send to orbit the Moon and back. if something happned to some civilian on the ISS, they could deal with it much easier, and send them back to Earth so much faster.
            • by dryeo ( 100693 )

              True. I still think it is possible for someone to pass the physical, sign a lot of release forms and make the trip. Whether it'll actually happen remains to be seen. At least any spacecraft SpaceX gets working will be more roomy then a Soyuz.

            • The BFS is pretty big. It could conceivably provide a less claustrophobic space for a week long pleasure cruise than the ISS.

              Take a look at this rendering of the BFS docked to the ISS [ee.co.za] for a sense of the scale of the thing.

              They have been comparing the size of it to an A380 airplane (which seats 800). Were they to decide to send a tourist trip with 10 people aboard, the passengers would likely feel less cramped than the ISS astronauts. Estimating the cost of launch is tough, with the high-reusability goal

              • Just to underline the massive size of the BFS, I looked up the numbers.

                The ISS has an internal pressurized volume of 931.57 m3. That's not the usable space, just the pressurized volume.

                The BFR/BFS is supposed to be 825m3.

                So one BFS is in the same ball park as the entire ISS in terms of pressurized volume. Smaller, but in the same general ballpark.

    • I think you missed a sarcasm tag.
    • What planet do you live on or what reality do you live in? SpaceX themselves have announced that the first orbital tests won't be until 2020 ("or so").

      Has SpaceX fanboi-ism reached the point where the company's own schedules are disregarded in favor of hallucinatory fantasies?

  • right (Score:3, Insightful)

    by matushorvath ( 972424 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @04:22AM (#57318536)

    Do we still take what Musk says seriously? I mean, how many times has he said something will happen at some time, and how many times has he actually followed on? For example, just last month he said he said he's taking Tesla private. Or the manned space flight, he has been saying "in two years" for past ten years. Or the Falcon Heavy test flight slipping multiple times, or the other flights of FH that were supposed to happen this year.

    Don't get me wrong, he is doing amazing stuff, and I understand there are objective reasons for the deadline slips, and I am a big fan and wish him success. But it has come to the point where I will wait until he actually delivers something before getting excited. And I will definitely get excited when the Moon flight happens.

    (How are we on criticizing Musk here? Am I good? Am I going to get crucified? Stay tuned to find out.)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      No one intelligent will criticize you here.

    • Re:right (Score:5, Interesting)

      by blind biker ( 1066130 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @07:11AM (#57318754) Journal

      What he has achieved with Tesla and SpaceX is nothing short of ... frankly, unbelievable. Before Tesla, there was no electric car marketplace. Now there is, and there's even competition.

      And SpaceX is the #1 private space company in the world. Maybe #1 overall.

      And now the Boring Company is making some important strides, too.

      If anyone can bring (back) men to the moon, it's Mr. Musk,

      • Before Tesla, there was no electric car marketplace. Now there is, and there's even competition.

        You make Nathan Poe proud, my friend.

      • If anyone can bring (back) men to the moon, it's Mr. Musk,
        Would not wonder if the first private customer is a woman.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        There was a pretty good electric car marketplace over a hundred years ago, even had charging stations all over NYC.
        Shit there was even a steam motor marketplace for a while. Perhaps they'll comeback, burning powdered coal.

    • Do we still take what Musk says seriously? I mean, how many times has he said something will happen at some time, and how many times has he actually followed on?

      Yes we do. He has a great track record on delivery and just a poor track record for timing.

      Oh the flip side I 100% believe they have signed their first tourist to the moon.

      For example, just last month he said he said he's taking Tesla private.

      Something you can take very seriously given members of his C suite were pushing for it, and the withdrawal of the idea to go private resulted in the disgruntled resignation of the CAO. About the only thing you can conclude given the actions was that this privatisation was very real.

      • The problem with saying "I 100% believe they have signed their first tourist to the moon" is that SpaceX and Musk already announced this, but for the Falcon Heavy in February 2017, saying two unnamed persons had paid significant deposits for the circumlunar trip. Is this going to be an annual announcement?

        • Is this going to be an annual announcement?

          Why not? It's not like any other company in the world announces something once and then never talks about it again.

    • It's a safe bet. Want to put $500 on whether Musk flies tourist(s) around the moon?

    • Re:right (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @08:21AM (#57318870) Homepage

      Do we still take what Musk says seriously? I mean, how many times has he said something will happen at some time, and how many times has he actually followed on?

      The flip side of that is how often has he actually been forced to give up? Like not on a particular timeline or event or scaling it back but abandon it altogether? Tesla is churning out cars. SpaceX is building rockets. Landing has gone from highly experimental to routine in a few years. We'll see if the F9 block 5 is really as reusable as they say or if that's more aspirational too, but it's probably more reusable than the block 4. The Falcon Heavy flew... eventually and nailed 2/3rds of the landing on the first try.

      We know Musk wants to put people in space. We know Musk wants to go to Mars. As long as he's in charge at SpaceX they're developing the Raptor methalox engine. They are developing the BFR/BFS. They are pursuing manned flight through the Commercial Crew program. They're making space suits. He's not some loon building a rocket in his back yard, they got engineers capable of doing it. Doing 20 satellite launches at $60 million a year is a billion dollar revenue stream, so they got money too.

      I'm pretty sure that if you'd like to book a Moon trip then Musk is the right person to go to and that he'll eventually deliver. In that sense getting in first in line might be a good idea no matter when the doors open. Musk wants an Apollo program, how can we get to Mars in less than a decade not a plan that takes 20-30 years. I don't think he can pull that off without Apollo-level funding too, but then again sometimes it brings out the "they said it was impossible so we did it" in engineers.

      • by jeti ( 105266 )

        They're making space suits.

        Let's call them flight suits.

      • The flip side of that is how often has he actually been forced to give up? Like not on a particular timeline or event or scaling it back but abandon it altogether?

        Half a dozen times when it comes to SpaceX alone. That is, multiple versions of the Falcon and Dragon have been tossed in the trash.

        We know Musk wants to put people in space. We know Musk wants to go to Mars.

        Both of these things are true - but the 'rest of the story' (as they say) is that his track record isn't one of doing what he wants, but wha

        • by Kjella ( 173770 )

          Both of these things are true - but the 'rest of the story' (as they say) is that his track record isn't one of doing what he wants, but what people will pay him to do.

          I think this is a "is the glass half full or half empty" situation, is he a corporate puppet that follows the money or is he leveraging what others will pay him for to further his own goals. Nobody asked him for a rocket that lands or a methalox engine or the Falcon Heavy, yes NASA paid for many of the primary missions particularly early on but that's just good business. And it was work they previously did themselves or hired the Russians, it's not like they created make-work for SpaceX to do. The BFR needs

          • I think this is a "is the glass half full or half empty" situation

            Neither - it's a "choice between full unvarnished truth or fanboi half truths and spin" situation.

            I wouldn't believe a company of ~70 employees that they're going to Mars, but SpaceX seem to have the qualifications.

            I could a couple of dozen dead aerospace companies that seemed to have all the qualifications for whatever it was they were trying to do. The problem isn't qualifications - it's money and SpaceX demonstrating the 95% of wh

    • Do we still take what Musk says seriously?

      Definitely more seriously than what you say, because...

      For example, just last month he said he said he's taking Tesla private.

      ...that is a lie, and you are a liar. He said he was considering it, and had secured a source of funding, not that he was actually doing it.

      Don't get me wrong, he is doing amazing stuff, and I understand there are objective reasons for the deadline slips, and I am a big fan and wish him success. But

      ...you are actually a big liar.

      (How are we on criticizing Musk here? Am I good? Am I going to get crucified? Stay tuned to find out.)

      Criticizing Musk is fine, telling lies is shit.

    • Seems like mavericks and bleeding-edge people like Musk are always on the 'bleeding edge' mentally/psychologically/emotionally themselves.
    • by arth1 ( 260657 )

      Don't get me wrong, he is doing amazing stuff

      By "amazing stuff", do you mean cocaine?
      Some of his engineers do amazing stuff. Musk is just a figurehead.

      • Some of his engineers do amazing stuff. Musk is just a figurehead.

        Do you seriously think this bunch of engineers got together and organized Tesla, SpaceX and The Boring Company and they let Musk figurehead all three? Who are these miracle workers? I assume you must know at least a few of their names.

        Or are they entirely separate groups of engineers doing amazing stuff and Musk is just the world's luckiest man to have coincidentally been made figurehead of multiple groups of amazing engineers when most people can't even manage to get themselves made figurehead of one amazi

  • .. they found someone with a lot of money who wants to die.

  • by grep -v '.*' * ( 780312 ) on Saturday September 15, 2018 @08:57AM (#57318938)

    it's booked the world's first private passenger to the moon.

    BAH -- you can charge peanuts for that. The real charges appear when you want to return to Earth.

    • See, that's the cleverness of Musk again. He's charging someone for something that is free [wikipedia.org].

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      BAH -- you can charge peanuts for that. The real charges appear when you want to return to Earth.

      Well if one-way tickets were an option they probably should because they really are much more expensive to create. But short term you're probably bringing so many tools and supplies that returning just the crew is no big deal.

  • I thought most people knew not to buy and install V1.0 of anything. Apparently not people able to afford a moon trip.

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  • the mysterious passenger is Tomodachi. ;-)
  • I believe the summary's "only 24 people have ever traveled" is short by 3, given the 9 missions that flew to the moon with 3 astronauts each (Apollo 8 and Apollo 11 through 17). Perhaps they didn't consider Apollo 13, which flew to the moon even though the landing was aborted?
  • Turns out it's some billionaire. https://science.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org]

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