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Astronomers Discover 12 New Moons Orbiting Jupiter - One on Collision Course With the Others (theguardian.com) 95

One of a dozen new moons discovered around Jupiter is circling the planet on a suicide orbit that will inevitably lead to its violent destruction, astronomers say. From a report: Researchers in the US stumbled upon the new moons while hunting for a mysterious ninth planet that is postulated to lurk far beyond the orbit of Neptune, the most distant planet in the solar system. The team first glimpsed the moons in March last year from the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory in Chile, but needed more than a year to confirm that the bodies were locked in orbit around the gas giant. "It was a long process," said Scott Sheppard, who led the effort at the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington DC. Jupiter, the largest planet in the solar system, was hardly short of moons before the latest findings. The fresh haul of natural satellites brings the total number of Jovian moons to 79, more than are known to circle any other planet in our cosmic neighbourhood. A head-on collision between two Jovian moons would create a crash so large it would be visible from earth, astronomers said.
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Astronomers Discover 12 New Moons Orbiting Jupiter - One on Collision Course With the Others

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  • by JcMorin ( 930466 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:29AM (#56962612)
    TLDR: “Collisions don’t happen all that frequently, every billion years or so,” said Sheppard. “If one did happen, we would be able to detect it from Earth, but it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.”
    • "And anyway, we've built more than enough lifeboats."

    • Well, there is some logic in this. A system that has been running without collisions for a long time is unlikely to suffer one soon, simple probabilities (if no other factor is known, like the exact trajectories of the system components).
    • Well, good, we can still build infrastructure on the other moons and steer the errant one into a safe orbit when it's time.

    • yea i read about this last week and i kept wondering like : did that moon just pop up ? jupiter regurgitated in december and it came out ? unlikely, right ? so its been on collision since ... ? cooldown time ? lol
  • by magusxxx ( 751600 ) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {0002_xxxsugam}> on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:30AM (#56962616)

    We already have NINE planets.

    *mic drop*

    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @12:07PM (#56962820)

      If we can demote planets (Ceres too was once counted as a planet), it is time to tighten up the definition of moon.

      Jupiter has four moons, and a bunch of rocks making up a 1/300 of one percent of the total mass in orbit.
      And Mars, sorry.

      • Redefinition (Score:4, Interesting)

        by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @01:29PM (#56963254)

        If we can demote planets (Ceres too was once counted as a planet), it is time to tighten up the definition of moon.

        Exactly what do you think is loose about the definition? I'm not opposed to the idea but what do you find confusing or misleading about the current definition?

        We should be redefining things with some regularity as we learn more. We probably should have different categories for different types of planets. Jupiter is a far different sort of object than Earth. Pluto and Eris probably are a separate category of object as well. Call them a planet if you like (I don't care) but then you have to say what kind of planet. Otherwise it's like saying a lion and your house cat are the same thing when they clearly are not.

        Jupiter has four moons, and a bunch of rocks making up a 1/300 of one percent of the total mass in orbit. And Mars, sorry.

        If my count is right at least 13 of Jupiter's moons [wikipedia.org] are larger than either of the moons of Mars [wikipedia.org]. Relative size definitions don't really make much sense. Absolute size definitions seem to be pretty arbitrary. How would you propose changing the definition to account for something not currently accounted for?

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          Exactly what do you think is loose about the definition?

          I mean it is too broad. It could include million of pebbles in unstable orbits. Or ice cubes slowly "orbiting" each other in the Kuiper belt.
          There could be countless rocks orbiting earth too. When there was one moon, and then five, we knew what the word meant. Now it is too open and never-ending.

          at least 13 of Jupiter's moons [wikipedia.org] are larger than either of the moons of Mars [wikipedia.org].

          Yep. That's why I said "sorry, Mars". They are only temporary rocks. Phobos will be gone in a few million years, while the seven "real" moons will be there for billions at least.

          • I mean it is too broad. It could include million of pebbles in unstable orbits. Or ice cubes slowly "orbiting" each other in the Kuiper belt.

            So what? I don't say that to be snide (seriously) but why does it objectively matter where it is a small number or a big number so long as the definition is a useful one? If the most useful definition of a planet or a moon results in millions of them I don't see that as a problem. I'm open to categories that have small numbers of objects in them but there has to be a useful reason to make the distinction.

            There could be countless rocks orbiting earth too. When there was one moon, and then five, we knew what the word meant. Now it is too open and never-ending.

            The universe is under no obligation to conform to what you think is convenient. We're in a universe

        • We should be redefining things with some regularity as we learn more.

          For example, we should stop calling the major bodies orbiting the sun "wanderers".

          Actually, I don't really think we should choose a different word; "planet" is just fine, everyone knows what it is (roughly). But on the topic of redefining things as we learn more, I can't think of a better example than "wanderers". We still use that old name even though we learned many centuries ago that its literal meaning is completely wrong.

        • So I like the idea of there being one and only one Moon. Our Moon.

          Just like there is one Sun, the rest are just stars.

          So Jupiter has zero Moons. But does have a bunch of orbiting debris around it, some of which are quite large! :)

    • No, we have only one, but we may need another one soon.
  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:32AM (#56962622)
    >> stumbled upon (Jupiter's) new moons while hunting for a mysterious ninth planet

    I think I figured out why they didn't find the ninth planet: they were looking at the fifth.
    • This is the difference between astronomers and astrophysicists. Astronomers look at what they know.
  • A head-on collision between two Jovian moons would create a crash so large it would be visible from earth, astronomers said.

    If the collision time can be predicted, I hope they send a probe to catch the Big Smash close up.

    • If the collision time can be predicted

      If it can't be predicted, we'll have to go out to watch the sky every night from now on.

  • Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:40AM (#56962686)

    .... That's no moon ....

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They're supposed to have converted Jupiter into a 2nd sun by now.

  • ...may collide...
  • by wjcofkc ( 964165 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @12:21PM (#56962894)
    The Jovian system is all around fascinating. With all of the moons and Jupiter's large EM field, it's a great future destination for humanity. Build a few thousand (big) rotating habitats over a couple centuries and all-in-all I could see the Jovian system supporting more human life than currently exists on Earth. Well, at least in the far future (if we have one). Especially with the asteroid belt being between Mars and Jupiter. Not that it would be easy.
    • by cstacy ( 534252 )

      The Jovian system is all around fascinating. With all of the moons and Jupiter's large EM field, it's a great future destination for humanity. Build a few thousand (big) rotating habitats over a couple centuries and all-in-all I could see the Jovian system supporting more human life than currently exists on Earth. Well, at least in the far future (if we have one). Especially with the asteroid belt being between Mars and Jupiter. Not that it would be easy.

      Easy not important. Only life important.

  • A head-on collision between two Jovian moons would create a crash so large it would be visible from earth, astronomers said. --- Ok, what time frame: minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millennia?
  • Astronomers Discover 12 New Moons Orbiting Jupiter - One on Collision Course With the Others

    Oh no, when they collide most of the boulders will be flung directly at Earth, mainly New York and San Francisco!

  • I remember back in high school the textbooks said "Jupiter has exactly this many moons. The end. Period. We're right. We know everything. Astronomers are never wrong." or something like that. Ironic considering all of astronomy is one giant history of being constantly wrong and representing it as right. Can't wait for them to disprove dark matter as a math error.
    • I'd love to see a citation (ISBN, Chapter, Page, Paragraph) for that. My guess is that you are simply mistaken at best and full of shit at worst.

    • The term "dark matter" is a placeholder for "we donâ(TM)t know" what's causing the gravitational discrepancies we see. There's nothing to disprove. It might very well turn out to be a math error (really, General Relatively being incomplete).
    • by ebvwfbw ( 864834 )

      Knowledge of science. I faced this with a very accomplished astronomer from NASA back in the 1970s. I don't even remember the guys name. I was able to talk to him after a presentation. I asked about planets outside of our solar system. He said - nope, not possible. That's fiction. No doubt in his mind we're it. Keep in mind I'm a 12 year old kid at the time. I asked how many stars are out there? He came up with some big number. I said - so how come we're it. Seems like there would be at least 1 other out th

  • by twosat ( 1414337 ) on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @05:43AM (#56966958)

    I remember my father's response when I told him about 20 years ago that Jupiter had multiple moons: "Why would God put so many moons there when there's no-one there to see their moonlight?"

    • According to he book of Job, it's not our business to question how God made his universe.

      • Err, it doesn't actually say that. What it does say is that we don't yet know *enough* for hasty judgement, which I think is accurate even today. E.g. "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth" etc.

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