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Traces of Lost Society Found in 'Pristine' Cloud Forest (nationalgeographic.com) 88

Deep in Ecuador's lush Quijos Valley, a society thrived -- and then disappeared. But a lake preserved its story. From a report: In the 1850s, a team of botanists venturing into the cloud forest in the Quijos Valley of eastern Ecuador hacked their way through vegetation so thick they could barely make their way forward. This, they thought, was the heart of the pristine forest, a place where people had never gone. But they were very wrong. Indigenous Quijo groups had developed sophisticated agricultural settlements across the region, settlements that had been decimated with the arrival of Spanish explorers in the 1500s. In their absence, the forest sprung back. This process of societal collapse and forest reclamation is described in a new study published today in Nature Ecology and Evolution.

The Quijos Valley lies in one of the most biodiverse cloud forests in the world, along a pre-Columbian trade route that linked the rich Amazonian lowlands with the high Andes. Thousands of people lived there centuries before the Spanish arrived, farming maize, squash, beans, and even passionfruit in poor soil of the valley floor. The study's researchers found a tiny lake in the valley and dug down into the silt at the bottom, pulling up a plug of sediment that had built up over the last 1000 years -- and found evidence of human occupation going back to the very oldest part of the core. In the oldest layers, scientists found tiny pieces of pollen -- swept from the valley and the surrounding forest into the lake by wind -- from maize and other plants that only grow in open, airy conditions, which told them that humans were cultivating plants on the valley floor. They also found plenty of charcoal bits, indications that people had lit fires nearby.

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  • Er...what's the "news"?

    And who knew that "National Geographic" was still around? That was the yellow-spined magazine college-educated boomers kept stacked in their houses for some reason.
    • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#56962492)

      And also the first porn that young nerds ever encountered.

    • by turp182 ( 1020263 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:54AM (#56963046) Journal

      Don't knock Nat Geo, it is one of the best periodicals around. Recall the recent awareness around plastic straws? That was Nat Geo.

      The two issues I hold dear are:
      1982 - The Chip/Silicon Valley - Awesome article about the coming of the modern microprocessor and the rise of San Jose/Silicon Valley. Interviews with Steve Jobs, Marvin Minsky, and many others:
      http://blog.modernmechanix.com... [modernmechanix.com]
      1969 - Landing on the Moon

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Recall the recent awareness around plastic straws? That was Nat Geo.

        So, fake news? Plastic straws are something like 0.03% of ocean plastic (and the US accounts for about 1% of ocean plastic). "Awareness" of them is feel-good hippie nonsense with no practical relevance. Ocean plastic itself is mostly the result of dumping trash at sea - that's the problem to fix.

        • The actual news around non-decomposing straws is made clear by how many straws, per DAY, are used and disposed of in the United States alone.

          500,000,000, which is about 1.4 straws per person, per day.

          I found that surprisingly high when I read about it.

          • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @02:57PM (#56964194)

            That number was made up by a 9-year old boy [reason.com].

            No one has ever been able to validate it, and those that have tried have backed off the claim:

            CORRECTION (April 22, 2018, 4:52 p.m. ET): An earlier version of this article included an incorrect statistic, attributed to the National Park Service, that Americans throw away 500 million drinking straws a day, or 1.6 a day per person. That figure, which has since been debunked in several publications, originally came from the environmental group Be Straw Free, and does not appear to have been based on serious research. There does not appear to be any reliable figure on how many straws are used per day or per year.

  • Man once again spoils Pristine Mother Earth in his demonic quest for survival and dominance?
  • by Daemonik ( 171801 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:12AM (#56962838) Homepage

    Let's be honest, they were annihilated BY the Spanish. The Spanish get a bit too much "forgiveness" or is it just plain forgetfulness, of their history of destruction across the Americas these days. The Spanish owned slaves (African and natives [nytimes.com]), pretty much created the Atlantic slave trade, they pillaged whole societies for gold and silver to fund a religious war in Europe, they defined the very term "Love Christ or we'll cut you".

    One of the most hilarious cases of modern historical blindness are the groups in California that demand we return California to Mexico. Because we "stole" it from them. As if it just fell into their possession and wasn't stolen itself. Then there's the groups of African Mexicans descended from Mexico's slaves [bbc.com] who didn't get officially recognized until 2016, even though they routinely would get deported because Mexicans didn't believe they existed.

    • by DavenH ( 1065780 ) on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @12:08PM (#56963122)
      I think the use of passive voice is to indicate that there was significant decimation by Spanish-borne diseases rather than than actual extermination by the conquistadors.
      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        The conquistadors also physically killed a lot of the natives. They had better technology and horses along with a moral framework that allowed them to act like total arseholes.

      • And as much as this is commonly laid at the feet of old-worlders, let's recognize that fundamentally it was going to happen at SOME time and the fact that new worlders hadn't much gotten past the stone age was ultimately (if you believe Jared Diamond) the reason they hadn't developed stronger general immunities.

    • by sinij ( 911942 )

      Let's be honest, they were annihilated BY the Spanish.

      They were annihilated by disease that Spanish accidentally brought over from Europe. I am certain Spanish killed some, but not 19 million people from multiple centralized and established nations that were stable prior to their arrival. The reason Spaniards had such astonishing success in conquests is because natives were in the midst of extremely fatal epidemic.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Spare me your bullshit. The "peaceful" natives of the Americas were constructing literal towers of skulls [sciencemag.org], adults and infants alike. The Aztec Empire had been farming its neighbors for a century, by pushing them onto marginal land, then challenging the survivors to combat. The slaves they collected from these flower wars fed their cannibalistic cult of genocide.

      There is no way to negotiate with a society like that. For the sake of humanity, it must be shattered and blown to the wind. Had they not wallowed i

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        Yep, the inventors of the Spanish Inquisition were quite moral, along with so many Europeans of the time. Look at Columbus, chopping the arms of the natives who didn't bring him enough gold (had to pay off his backers).

    • I don't think the article really gives them a free pass.

      When the Spanish arrived in the 1540s, they wreaked havoc on the indigenous Quijos, killing many and conscripting others to brutal forced labor. The Quijos revolted, but by 1578 most of them had been killed or driven away, and the Spanish eventually retreated out of the valley.

      "Possibly one of the worst tragedies in human histories occurred during this period," says Nick Loughlin, the lead author of the study, as millions of indigenous people across the region died after the arrival of European colonizers.

    • The main cause behind anihilation from the Spanish was most likely biological and not militar. Spain had awesome infantry and weapons, but 200 men do not win any attriction war. On topic, sites like this should be explored. Graham Hancock is probably one of the top picks for this.
    • You have way too much emotion over events that happened 400 years ago. Spain today is not Spain of then.
  • I bet it was forcing everyone to use the pre-computer version of systemd that caused their downfall.

  • My completely inept interpretation is that there was a devastating forest fire, precipitated by a years long drought, this created the charcoal. Now that the land is cleared by fire, plants that grow in the open field can now proliferate until the indigenous plant life grows back into a forest.
    • Or they burned the remains of the crop (stalks, leaves) to fertilize the next harvest. Not that I actually know if that was practiced by anyone.

  • Don't you mean "annihilated"? It surprises me how many people use the word "decimated" without actually knowing what it means.

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