Is Pluto Actually a Mash-Up of a Billion Comets? (smithsonianmag.com) 74
Scientists from the Southwest Research Institute suggest Pluto may be a comet, as opposed to a planet or dwarf planet. According to a study published in the journal Icarus, Pluto could be made up of billions of comets all mashed together. Smithsonian reports: Scientists had long believed the dwarf planet Pluto was formed the way planets come to be: they start as swirling dust that's gradually pulled together by gravity. But with the realization that Pluto was a Kuiper belt dwarf planet, researchers began speculating about the origins of the icy world. The researchers turned to Sputnik Planitia -- the western lobe of the massive heart-shaped icy expanse stamped on Pluto's side -- for the task. As Christopher Glein, lead author of the paper and researcher at the Southwest Research Institute, explains to [Popular Science editor Neel V. Patel], the researchers used the data from New Horizons on this icy expanse to estimate the amount of nitrogen on Pluto and the amount that's escaped from its atmosphere.
Glein explains the conclusions in a statement: "We found an intriguing consistency between the estimated amount of nitrogen inside the [Sputnik Planitia] glacier and the amount that would be expected if Pluto was formed by the agglomeration of roughly a billion comets or other Kuiper Belt objects similar in chemical composition to 67P, the comet explored by Rosetta." The report goes on to mention a few caveats. "For one, researchers aren't sure that comet 67P has an average comet composition," reports Smithsonian. "For another, New Horizons only captured information about Pluto at a specific point in time, which means nitrogen rates could have changed over the last billions of years. [T]here's also still the possibility Pluto formed from cold ices with a chemical composition to that of the sun."
Glein explains the conclusions in a statement: "We found an intriguing consistency between the estimated amount of nitrogen inside the [Sputnik Planitia] glacier and the amount that would be expected if Pluto was formed by the agglomeration of roughly a billion comets or other Kuiper Belt objects similar in chemical composition to 67P, the comet explored by Rosetta." The report goes on to mention a few caveats. "For one, researchers aren't sure that comet 67P has an average comet composition," reports Smithsonian. "For another, New Horizons only captured information about Pluto at a specific point in time, which means nitrogen rates could have changed over the last billions of years. [T]here's also still the possibility Pluto formed from cold ices with a chemical composition to that of the sun."
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You mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2)
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I started believing in God after reading books.
Well what book then?
This is a typical tacit for arguing with people you disagree with, especially if you cannot dispute the comments directly
I completely disputed your main point. If you don't believe in God a priori, then there is no reason to believe he created Pluto in particular. You had no answer to that.
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Your argument is flawed in that it says the conclusion would be invalidated by the method by which it came about
The conclusion isn't invalid: it is a viable explanation for the creation of Pluto. Your problem is that there are many viable explanations for the creation of Pluto, and there is no particular reason to believe that your choice is the correct one out of so many.
so you instead try to back track into my history and motivation.
I already know your motivation: you are a devoted Christian. I don't need to figure out your motivation. I'm more interested in seeing if you have any interesting ideas. If not, then that's too bad.
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Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2)
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when science does not actually offer an alternative to God that has substantial proof.
Why would science attempt that? What exactly is an alternative to God?
You believers mix a lot of things up with science. E.g. if there was a scientific proof for (a) God, I still would not _believe_ in him/her _pray_ to him/her or _worship_ him/her: because I'm not a religious person, plain and simple.
Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2)
Would it matter if you were? Religious people don't "believe in" chairs or worship them. Therefore a scientist who has proof of a God should not worship them. Not that any such proof is likely.
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Is being challenged a bad thing? Just saying "God did it" answers no questions. It's a claim without utility.
Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2)
The theory of planetary formation contains three types of model - ones that produce predictions you can test in the lab, ones that produce predictions you can test via simulation, and ones that produce predictions you can test via astronomy.
Simulations produce additional predictions which can be tested either in the lab or via astronomical observation, so you always end up with direct observation.
So, no, nothing in real science is by faith and everything that can be done can be done with real science.
Invoke
Re: They have no idea how Pluto formed (Score:2)
You're assuming there that the dust condenses sequentially, at a uniform rate, from a single seed particle.
What if, and I know this is a wild assumption, none of those assumptions actually held up? That the dust cloud condensed at multiple points in an accelerating fashion in three dimensions?
A quick calculation then shows Pluto as requiring slightly under a century to form.
Re:The ***ABSURDITY*** of claiming to be atheist (Score:4, Funny)
Now can you give me a pony?
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But look how much typing he needed for this! All those letters make my mind confused. I'm not sure anymore if I'm an Atheist, after all he is right: I never left the solar system! But I plan that for my next vacation!
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Well, ...
so far I only checked Air France's web site
Re: The ***ABSURDITY*** of claiming to be atheist (Score:2)
Ponies on Slashdot have to be pink and collected from Cute Overload.
Bonus karma for those who remember why.
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So ist the Earth (Score:4, Insightful)
The earth is also a "smashup" of all kinds of space debris including comets.
Yes, but they say it better (Score:2)
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Wow. You mean, like, we are stardust?
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Dwarf planet (Score:2)
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Call it a Giant Comet, this is more fun.
I see. Like this?
"In 2006, Pluto, the giant dwarf comet planet, entered the Milky Way portion of the sky. This caused much consternation among lactose advocates."
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You might as well just call it a planet. Because why not?
I would hope that astronomers would have something more important to do, than splitting hairs over the exact definition of a planet.
I suggest that astronomers tear a page out of Existentialism dogma, and say that Pluto just is. So your suggestion would read:
You might as well just call it a Pluto.
As in:
“Last night in the latrine. Didn't you whisper that we couldn't punish you to that other dirty son of a bitch we don't like? What's his name?"
"Yossarian, sir," Lieutenant Scheisskopf said.
"Yes, Yossarian. That's right. Yossarian. Yossarian? Is that his name? Yossarian? What the hell kind of a name is Yossarian?"
Lieutenant Scheisskopf had the facts at his finger tips. "It's Yossarian's name, sir," he explained.” Joseph Heller, Catch-22
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As long as we're making up definitions, we could easily say, "Planets are a body of certain size orbiting a star.......and as a special case, Pluto." Definitions being entirely arbitrary, such a definition would help remind future generations that definitions in fact are.......entirely a
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Why is it called Pluto anyway? Who names a planet after a cartoon dog?
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Why is it called Pluto anyway? Who names a planet after a cartoon dog?
To get revenge on the *elite* astronomers I'm going to change its name and unofficially call the the Planet Spongebob.
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Re: they were the authorities (Score:2)
A lot of people rely on proper classification. Those modelling solar system dynamics, astrophysicists, planetary scientists.
If you want to make scientific predictions and then test them, you need the correct model. That's kind of an obvious duh.
If you're in charge of budgets, you want maximum return for the money. Exploring planets yields more science per square foot than an asteroid or comet.
Astronomers just have to point their big shiny... telescopes at big, shiny... things and map them. They don't do any
Re: Dwarf planet (Score:2)
The sole function of a classification is to group all like things in a way that distinguishes them unambiguously from all unlike things, without respect to space, time, means of observing or observer. In other words, the distinguishing feature must be intrinsic not extrinsic.
If A is the set of all objects in the class, B is the set of all things not in the class, E is the empty set and U is the universal set, A /\ B = E and A \/ B = U.
Since only prediction is valid, the class has a prediction P such that fo
Hmmm (Score:3)
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According to my definition of a rocky planet, Pluto needs:
- a round shape
- a crust
- a hot core or a previously hot core
Pluto passes all three requirements, therefore it's a planet.
Questions?
Yes: So you're saying that the earth's moon is also a planet?
Re: Pluto IS a planet (Score:2)
The moon was at one point molten, but that's not the same as saying it ever had a molten core. There's no evidence that I know of that it had a distinct core.
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For a long time I thought the same, but a few weeks ago I found out that it does.
It is however only about the size of Belgium and probably contains considerably less beer.
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Actually no! (Score:2)
It's a dog.
Poor Pluto (Score:2)
Following their logic (Score:2)
Pluto won't be the first (Score:2)
Pluto won't be the first thing in the cosmos to break definitions and it won't be the last. The current definition of planet isn't a good one.
"A celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit."
But if these bodies at some point have a molten core, complex geological features, and long-term orbital stability,
Re: a list of 9 things is a worse one. (Score:2)
Why should I care how many entries there are under a good definition? I care about having a good definition.
Here's an example of a good definition:
A mass that has a single core, a well-defined gravitationally-shaped layered structure, that does not undergo nuclear fusion that formed within a star system.
Why is this good?
1. It's predictive. I have a hypothesis that can be falsified, that all objects of this type will behave in ways that all objects not of this type will not behave in.
2. It applies to extraso
Why the cabal of Pluto haters? (Score:1)
It's really mysterious to me why so many "scientists" seem to have it in for Pluto... sometimes called "The Dark Planet", the only conclusion I can come to is racism.
What we know about Pluto (Score:2)
1. It has liquid water
2. It has an evolving surface
3. Including atmosphere, it's larger than Earth
What we know about the Kuipier Belt
1. It has an Earth-sized "dwarf planet" (it's a dwarf because it hasn't cleared its orbit, even if it's the size of Jupiter), although Pluto is not that planet
I see nothing here that says "comet" or indeed anything that makes that relevant as to what class of object it is.