Leave It To the Heat to Dull Autumn's Glory (wsj.com) 140
It's autumn. Somebody tell the trees. From a report: Ordinarily, two signals alert deciduous trees that it's time to relinquish the green hues of summer in favor of autumn's yellows, oranges and reds. First, the days begin to grow shorter. Second, the temperature begins to drop. But this year, unseasonably warm weather across most of the U.S. has tricked trees into delaying the onset of fall's color extravaganza. Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal since mid-September, and the warmth is expected to persist through the end of October. The unfortunate result for leaf peepers is a lackluster fall. Two kinds of pigments produce the season's liveliest foliage. Carotenoid, responsible for yellows and oranges, is always present in leaves but is usually masked by chlorophyll. The initial trigger for its appearance is shorter days. Anthocyanin, responsible for reds and deep purples, is different. Not all deciduous trees have this pigment, and those that do manufacture it from scratch in the fall. The primary trigger for its appearance is lower temperatures. Without that cooling cue, the colors of maple and other species that generally ignite New England with brilliant reds this time of year are likely to fizzle.
Darn? (Score:1)
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But it is science-related.
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(1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
(2) Cooling temperatures trigger the production of red and purple pigments in leaves.
(3) We expect to see less red foliage this year.
Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.
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(1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
We also had an unseasonably mild & dry Summer here in the Midwest, and the leaves had started falling in late August here. I was excited because I was hoping I could have my leaves taken care of by mid-October. Then things warmed up and it started raining, then suddenly the leaves stopped dropping again.
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The one that contains the word, "warm". Everyone knows that every mention of warmer than usual weather is an affront to the orange god-king.
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(1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
(2) Cooling temperatures trigger the production of red and purple pigments in leaves.
(3) We expect to see less red foliage this year.
Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.
It has been that way for the last 30 years and some people refuse to see, a let's call it a 'trend'.
Those people see it as 'political', at least until the state has to pay for their flooded houses and save them from their roof. And even then it's just a 'fluke' that there are 5 10
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So what observation can a human make that would *not* be political under those criteria?
Could you walk out the door on a February morning and say, "Geez, it's cold out," without being political? After all the atmosphere doesn't care what temperature you expect it to be.
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Apparently, someone has a problem with calling out people who see dog whistling everywhere as paranoid loons who see dog whistling everywhere.
All of the time. In everything. Everywhere.
So let me rephrase that...
Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.
You obviously lack the proper training. [wikipedia.org]
You know... the kind that would help you understand that talking about "cutting taxes" is the same thing as going around shouting "Ni99er, ni99er, ni99er." [wikipedia.org]
Which you'd know if you had proper training.
Just as you'd know that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy,
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sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] (Score:2)
I'll have to agree with whoever it is who said that this isn't actually political.
It was pointing out the connection between the muted tree colors and the unseasonably warm weather in New England. Nowhere was climate change or greenhouse warming mentioned. if you think any discussion about warm weather is a political statement about climate change, that is something about you brought to the discussion, not inherent in the original post.
I notice that the original article was Wall Street Journal, which hasn't
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Do you realize how paranoid you sound?
Looking at the world around us (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems to me that explaining the world around us is of interest to nerds.
Not all "news for nerds" has to be "here's the latest update about Ruby on Rails implementation on Ubuntu run on a Raspberry Pi to mine bitcoin."
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You got that right! Some news could be "here's the latest update about .net implementation on FreeBSD running on a Raspberry Pi Zero to mine Monero."
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And that's exactly why your side lost the election. Don't you get it? We don't want to know about the world around us. #MAGA
The center is squeezed out of the discourse (Score:2)
You're actually making it more difficult for the center leaning right to have civil discourse.
I'd actually like to hear more from the center-leaning right. The far-right is completely drowning out the discourse (and for that matter, I'd be interested in hearing more from the center-leaning left.)
And you're not alone, nearly all the people are polarized and the TrueLeft and True Right just can't believe what the center leaning on either side are talking about, that the opposition may have certain points worth discussing or that their argument is more nuanced than it is made out to be.
Agree! Most of what passes for political discourse these days seems to be false dichotomy: if you're not far left, you must be fascist right / If you're not far right, you must be Stalinist left.
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Yep. I moved from the Midwest to Colorado a while back. I've noticed we get more yellow and less of the reds and purples. I generally assumed that had to do with either the type of trees that grow at elevation, or something in the soil, that made the difference. I hadn't considered the daily temperature fluctuation might have been a part of it.
Then again, we have a bigger swing out here (colder at night) because of the thin air, so maybe that really does bring us back to the types of trees that grow here.
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Not unless you view tech as an opportunity to propagandize climate change religion.
Or you've heard of this thing called "science".
Skiing in Ohio (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm from Ohio, and I'm about 50 years old.
When I was a kid I used to go skiing. My parents would take me. We have a few local ski resorts, dinky little places. Boston Mills and Brandywine. Nothing much really. Basically a few ski lifts and a couple of hills not far from where the Cleveland Cavaliers used to play - the old Richfield Colosseum off route 303.
And the skiing wasn't bad. Nobody would mistake it for Veil Colorado, but it wasn't bad.
Now I'm older and you know what? It doesn't really snow in Ohio much anymore. I have two kids now. I really wanted to teach them how to ski and...I can't. We never get enough snow. Each resort these days will make artificial snow enough to keep one or two hills open, but it's basically an ice flow. You're not skiing, you're skating.
When I was a kid you'd see an occasional flurry in October. I once went trick-or-treating in the snow. Show would pick up through November and by Christmas we would have a few feet of snow that would last through February.
Now? It's too sporadic to build up a base to ski on. It'll snow, but then go up to 55 or 60 degrees and it all melts, then drop down to the mid 30s and hang for a week. Then drop to zero and snow. Then back up into the 50's. We never get anything worth skiing on. If we get a big snow it'll last for maybe a week or so. Enough to maybe go sledding on, but by the next week it's slush.
I don't give a crap about politics.
What I do know is that I used to have snow here, and now I don't.
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You know, considering the winters we used to have here in Southern Ontario I don't mind this cold weather at all. Houses where having a second door on the second floor was mandatory? 5m lake-driven snowfalls because the lakes froze over late? Yeah it's pretty good. Well wait, that's still happening more or less. Minus the doors on the second floor so you could get out of your house. Pretty much any house that's 2 story and was built before 1950 had that little feature around here. I think it was 2010
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Alaska (Score:3)
I remember when I was a kid, and the glacier near my house lost twenty cubic miles of ice in ten years. The number of frost-free days in Fairbanks has doubled since 1950. Glacial ice loss has been most noticeable from the lower alpine and tidewater glaciers, which would be the most accessible and visible ones. I believe we're up to about fifty cubic kilometers per year for the state overall.
You can walk it back to people who live in places you care about, but there are any number of statistics to show that
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/. does not allow us to host images or I would show you all the pictures taken on the same (birth)date throughout my life. In the 70-ties there is snow, consistently. Like the GP post I tried skying. In the 80-ties there is hardly snow, no snow since until we came to 2015 when the max temperature on that day was 22 degrees Celsius!
During the last 15 years on our 120 year old far/farmland fruit trees are not fruiting because Jan and Feb are too warm, the trees begin to blossom too early and a March frost fi
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Here in the South East, we never saw a lot of snow, but now we actually get summer like thunderstorms around Christmas time.
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And when ~2 Billion people have to do just that, what do you think's going to happen to those of you "smart" enough to live in the hills?
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Rebuilding is fine as long as they build on stilts or make it a floating house this time.
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You misspelled "imbecile".
It's not an acronym.
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What's the problem? He's a climate denying imbecile.
Who thinks that acronyms somehow validate willfully being an imbecile.
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You misspelt misspelt.
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Actually, both are correct.
It's that British vs. American thing.
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It's hilarious when lefties use the snowflake label.
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1896 called (Score:2)
Did you misspell 'Arrhenius', or were you unaware that the theory of AGW predates An Inconvenient Truth by 11 decades?
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Even the most extreme models predicted a sea level rise that would produce that particular real estate in Colorado.
The English language is a difficult one. Thank you for agreeing with me in your post, even though it makes you look as dumb as a box of rocks.
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Even the most extreme models did not predict a sea level rise that would have produce that particular real estate in Colorado.
Obviously, I should have proofread what I wrote. See the above correction.
Seriously, did you really expect us to believe a sea level rise on the order of 7000 feet?
I suspect you merely neglected to include the /sarcasm tag in your original post.
I apologize for any misunderstandings my failure to adequately proofread my own posts. I hope this exchange offered some entertainme
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All my days are fun, enjoy yours as well!
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Ha, ha! I did fully understand the /sarcasm... but I'm a stickler for the fun-da-mentals!
Without bass players, drummers wouldn't know in which key they were playing!
Keep on funning on!
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Heresy!!!! Blashphemer!!! Wiiittttcccchhhhhh!!!!!!!!
How dare you question the cult?
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Nice one, comrade!
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You answered Hamlet's question.
Scale (Score:2)
Is that 15 degrees Delisle, Leiden or Rankine?
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15 degrees in Library of Congresses.
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It's unqualified, so presumably degrees of arc - one of the longest established measures in the world, dating back to several hundred years BCE (middle Iron Age).
Bloody strange way of measuring temperature though.
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New England had a very dry year overall. The Norway maples and hickories in my yard dropped most of their leaves in August, and what's left are brown and dry -- first time in twenty-five years living here that's happened. Twenty yards downhill trees with a better water supply are still green unseasonably late, but are starting to fade to yellow.
Normally by this time of year there would be brilliant red foliage everywhere.
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We've had something similar in Pennsylvania. While a number of trees are still green, others just gave up. Their leaves turned brown and many are still attached to the tree. Very atypical for us.
Depends on where you are in the U.S. (Score:2)
Colorado mountains this year actually had a somewhat early year for fall color, which was then sadly messed with near peak by weeks of cold rain/snow - it left a lot of the colors pretty muted as well (lots of moisture seems to bring out a lot of mold that causes black spots on the leaves).
It's because of daylight savings (Score:2)
Wonderful Warm Fall Weather (Score:1)
It has indeed been a wonderful warm fall. They happen sometimes and we enjoy falls like this. I'm willing to give up a little bright color for a longer growing season and gentler weather. Realize that global warming isn't all bad. Those of us in the northern climes benefit.
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I've been hoping for longer golf seasons with climate change but it has not made much difference yet.
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Not Bullshit (Score:2)
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The number of cold days is a function of solar activity though.
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Ummm, no. Its the number of hours below certain temperatures. For many trees not in really cold regions, that would add up over the nights (ie: ~400 chill hr Cherries in Georgia). Cherries with high chill hours (900+) won't yield in the southern states. Warmer winters for both end up with little to no yields the coming year.
What I hear from most AGW discourse on the net... (Score:2)
I lied, it's more like this:
A: My position is clearly the correct one, and all who do not hold it are imbeciles.
B: My position is clearly the correct one, and all who do not hold it are imbeciles.
At least they can agree on something.
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Preach! Everyone knows GW is nothing more than Big Rake attempting to muscle in on Big Snow Shovel marketshare! #MAGA
Such vapid bullshit (Score:1)
OK, so now lackluster fall colors are the fault of global warming?
Funny, driving the last couple of weeks through MN, and I thought the colors were particularly vibrant this year. In fact, I've commented aloud that it's like being in a Bob Ross painting.
Add 'dull colors' to the list: http://www.whatreallyhappened.... [whatreallyhappened.com]
The idea that one warm autumn is anything unusual is nuts.
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Nothing in the summary even hints at global warming. So what, exactly, are you so upset about?
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Oh and if you're wondering?
This was taken a couple of days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/minne... [reddit.com]
Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! (Score:2)
I grew up and lived in the North East and I have to say this, fall is the most overrated season ever which then allows us to be greeted by the worst season ever Winter.
Let's list why fall stinks:
1. It's the end of summer. Thank goodness the traditionally fall months are hot, but instead of a gradual weather change, it's now hot hot hot and then freezing cold. I'll take having a few extra months of hot weather before the frigid cold and ice sets in.
2. High fall, ie the time when the leaves are the most color
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I (and I suspect anyone who is not an advertiser) am completely down with #3.
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Fall is second worst, correct, but only after spring.
Summer is best, winter is second.
I hate those mushy-middle temperatures. Cold in the morning, warm in the afternoon? Just sort of cool outside but the sun is shining? You can't PLAN on that sort of weather. Do I wear a sweater or not? If I wear one, am I going to have to roll up my sleeves for 15s and then decide it's too cold for that? Make up your damn mind?
You know where you stand with summer and winter. Gimme 25 to 30C and -20 to -30C, and I can work
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NO. Fall is the best. I am from the South East. We all agree Winter sucks (and #3 on your list) so won't go into it.
Summer... is too HOT. People think of swimming pools and ice cream. No one thinks about the smell of sweat, sun burn, and melted ice cream. Spring is when everything is trying to procreate. We get tons of pollen messing up everyone's sinuses. We have yellow streams running down sidewalks. Rain in both seasons are hot, humid, and icky. Both seasons have tons of bugs, mosquitoes, and g
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Agreed. I go back once a year for a week at Christmas and get my dose of snow and cold. It allows me to appreciate it out here.
It's funny because I'll start muttering in December about how cold it is. I'll start wearing long pants and long sleeved shirts. Then I'll go back to the Northeast at Christmas, come back, and go, "My God! It's so warm!" And start wearing shorts when it's 60 degrees out.
What?!? (Score:2)
> Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal
Holy FS! I thought it was just me. We needed heat and aircon on the same day earlier this month.
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The trees (Score:1)
It has a name (Score:4, Informative)
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Panicking? About what?
This is about fall foliage, and how the warm weather will reduce the appearance of certain colors. There is no "panic" here.
But to correct your obvious (Russian) trolling, La Nina typically results in cooler temperatures for the Eastern US. If anything the temperatures should have been cooler, but they weren't due to a huge blocking ridge over the western half of the country. Blocking ridges such as these have become a more common occurrence as the northern jet weakens. The northern je