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The World's Oldest Scientific Satellite is Still in Orbit (bbc.com) 80

walterbyrd writes: Nearly 60 years ago, the US Navy launched Vanguard-1 as a response to the Soviet Sputnik. Six decades on, it's still circling our planet. Conceived by the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in 1955, Vanguard was to be America's first satellite programme. The Vanguard system consisted of a three-stage rocket designed to launch a civilian scientific spacecraft. The rocket, satellite and an ambitious network of tracking stations would form part of the US contribution to the 1957-58 International Geophysical Year. This global collaboration of scientific research involved 67 nations, including both sides of the Iron Curtain.
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The World's Oldest Scientific Satellite is Still in Orbit

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  • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Friday October 06, 2017 @03:28PM (#55324119)

    Sputnik 1 was a scientific satellite. It was spherical so that atmospheric drag could be measured simply, without worrying about the spacecraft orientation, and the beeps at two frequencies made it possible to estimate the density of the ionosphere underneath it.

    • by Latent Heat ( 558884 ) on Friday October 06, 2017 @03:36PM (#55324167)

      From Wikipedia,

      "Sputnik burned up on 4 January 1958 while reentering Earth's atmosphere, after three months, 1440 completed orbits of the Earth,[1] and a distance travelled of about 70 million km (43 million mi).[10]"

      • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Friday October 06, 2017 @03:48PM (#55324255) Homepage

        If no longer being in orbit rules it out from being called "oldest," then the headline is just tautological.

        • There's another important sense that this isn't tautological. Sputnik 1 had no scientific instruments- it really was just a beeping sphere. This was because of delays in the originally planned Soviet satellite which was proving too heavy and too complicated http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/vintagespace/2017/10/04/sputnik-was-the-soviets-backup-satellite/#.WdfwV8iGOUk [discovermagazine.com]. After the bugs were worked out, that became Sputnik 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_3 [wikipedia.org] which was launched after Vanguard, so the olde
          • by Strider- ( 39683 )

            There's another important sense that this isn't tautological. Sputnik 1 had no scientific instruments- it really was just a beeping sphere.

            Right, but in a sense it was a scientific instrument in and of itself. The beeping was transmitted on two frequencies to allow the density of the ionosphere to be measured, and the spherical shape allowed the density of the upper atmosphere to be measured by the changes in its orbit over time.

            • by Teancum ( 67324 )

              That aspect of scientific research wasn't really the point of Sputnik though. The radio signal was simply to announce that the USSR had sent something up into space and something that could be used to verify that it was indeed up there and in orbit around the Earth.

              That some scientific value could be gleaned from the simple instrumentation was really a side benefit... not that I'm complaining.

              Explorer I, on the other hand, was purpose built to carry on several experiments, and was the key item that was use

          • so the oldest satellite with scientific instruments ever launched was...

            ...Explorer 1 on the US side and Sputnik 2 on the USSR side, right?

        • If no longer being in orbit rules it out from being called "oldest," then the headline is just tautological.

          Only when you ignore generally accepted meaning of language. When we talk about things in their current active form with respect to age we generally accept the age to be an indication of its active life.

          While you're technically right, being pedantic with a concept as fluid as language when the vast majority of the people understood the meaning and intent is like arguing with your wife. Just remember you have two options: "You can be either right, or happy"

    • Was looking it up and saw that the USA owned the last remaining part of it. https://airandspace.si.edu/mul... [si.edu]
      Any idea on how we got it?
      • On the display at the Air and Space Museum it says it was provided by Art Dula. He's a "space lawyer" :)

        I have no idea how he got it, but it's probably not that interesting - he's worked extensively with Russians on various space projects. I'm sure many obscure artifacts became available after the Cold War and people like Mr. Dula snatched them up.

    • More importantly, it was filled with air, and the beeps would let people know if it got punctured. There was a real concern that space might be filled with micro-meteors, in which case satellites would not be practical. That there were no micro-meteors was the important discovery.

      (These days, we are doing our best to create mico meteors of our own.)

  • Why is this strange? I mean, the whole point about being in orbit around Earth is that, unless you spend energy to get out of it, it keeps circling forever. Or am I overlooking something here?
    • by Scoth ( 879800 )

      A lot of orbits of things are fairly low orbits. Low Earth Orbit is where the space shuttles, the ISS, a lot of satellites, etc sit. There's not much atmosphere there but there's enough drag that most things will need occasional engine burns to stay there. Smaller objects and things higher up in LEO will stay up longer, but most stuff will eventually decay. It takes a lot more energy to get things higher up into, say, geostationary orbit where a lot of communications satellites, GPS, etc are where they need

  • go to http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-529... [swipnet.se] (by a Swede!) though website kind of 1990s.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06, 2017 @04:20PM (#55324487)

    My Uncle designed the communication and tracking systems for Vanguard (and later for NASA.)
    It was cool going over to his house and into his basement office to look at the pictures of him with the Vanguard team, him with Wernher Von Braun, him with Eisenhower, him with the first astronauts, him with JFK, with LBJ, with John Glenn, etc. His retirement picture included a hand-drawn picture of him driving away in an old Model T with the Vanguard satellite bouncing in the back seat.
    He was a really, really neat, unassuming guy who was fascinated with clocks. He must have had 200 of them in his basement of every shape and size.
    Lived in a little town of 800 people.
    I loved going to visit him as a kid.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Friday October 06, 2017 @04:31PM (#55324539) Journal
    .. They don't build them like they used to anymore..
    • Well, no. Vanguard-I may still be in orbit, but it's nonfunctional and has been for nearly fifty years. It's operating lifetime was a bare six years.

      It's still in orbit not because it was built well, but because it's high enough that atmospheric drag hasn't brought it down (yet). It's low enough that it's orbit will completely decay and it will re-enter in two hundred years or so.

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