Plastic Fibers Found In 83 Percent of World's Tap Water, Study Reveals (theguardian.com) 210
Robotron23 writes: Research published by Orb Media, a nonprofit journalism group, has revealed that microplastics have contaminated high proportions of drinking water and bottled water. Samples from the United States tested positive in 94% of instances, while Europe's contamination averages around 72%. Tests were undertaken at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health, with lead researcher Dr. Anne Marie Mahon noting the risk of plastics carrying bacteria, and commenting: "In terms of fibers, the diameter is 10 microns across and it would be very unusual to find that level of filtration in our drinking water systems." As for the culprit, the report mentions the atmosphere as one obvious source, "with fibers shed by the everyday wear and tear of clothes and carpets." Another potential source is tumble dryers, "with almost 80% of U.S. households having dryers that usually vent to the open air." Overall, the investigation by Orb Media found that 83% of the samples were contaminated with plastic fibers.
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80% of households, not 80% of households with dryers.
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All my stuff is cotton....what is considered "plastic" clothing that a dryer would vent dangerous lint out...?
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You do realise that nylon has been in use in clothing for 70 years or so? And that synthetic polyamide is only one of many synthetic fiber types?
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Well, you certainly have heard of polyester clothing. That is exactly the same plastic that is used for water bottles, this is what makes bottle reclycling so practical.
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Athletic wear gender neutral, many pants.
Cotton blend is pretty common really.
Yes, a lot of T-shirts and athletic clothes are a cotton/polyester blend. Don't forget about blankets, coats, gloves, socks, etc.
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Something's up with that. I would suspect that 99.9995% of US dryers vent to open air.
Don't you have non venting driers in the US? They're substantially more expensive, but also much much more efficient.
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Nope, we even have central vacuum cleaners that throw the air outside.
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Nope, we even have central vacuum cleaners that throw the air outside.
Just like Eltham Palace then?
http://www.english-heritage.or... [english-heritage.org.uk]
(search for vacuum)
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Re:80%? (Score:4, Informative)
Modern ones use the latent heat of condensation to warm incoming air, saving on electricity. They are about twice as efficient in power terms as a 'normal' dryer, although they do take longer to dry clothes.
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Modern ones use the latent heat of condensation to warm incoming air, saving on electricity. They are about twice as efficient in power terms as a 'normal' dryer, although they do take longer to dry clothes.
Which means the clothes tumble longer, which increases wear. It's easy to calculate kW-hr saved per year. Evaluating the cost of clothes wearing out slightly faster is a more difficult problem that most people won't be considering. Maybe it is worth it, maybe not.
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If by more efficient you mean
I mean "by using less electricity", which is a pretty common usage.
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Mine vents to the garage. House was built in '81. Seems like they should have known better by then. I'll admit it's sort of nice in the winter, but it's a terrible idea in the summer.
My upstairs bathroom fan vented to the attic, rather than out the roof. Again, I understand that was acceptable at the time, but it seems like a bad idea and we fixed that one.
It's Dietary Plastic Week on Slashdot! (Score:3)
First we had the story of fish eating plastic; and now there's this one about humans drinking plastic. Plus we've still got three more days for the climactic ending - I can't wait!
Re:It's Dietary Plastic Week on Slashdot! (Score:4, Funny)
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So ... what you're saying is, fish get their plastic from eating us?
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climactic ending - I can't wait!
Spoiler alert it's humans eating fish who drink plastic.
This isn't new (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's an article from 2011
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/10/laundry-lint-pollutes-worlds-oceans
Also from 2011
http://morgellonsdiseaseawareness.com/morgellons_photo_galleries/morgellons_fibers_in_water_supply
These fibers might actually explain Morgellon's Disease which is currently understood as a form of delusional parasitosis.
The second link says filtration and boiling don't work but reverse osmosis removes 95%.
If only bacteria could be engineered to eat this shit...
Re:This isn't new (Score:4, Interesting)
I will gladly hear how plastic particles can get through a nano filtration or reverse osmosis filtration as physically there is no way a micro meter particule size can go through the pore size (you understand that for reverse osmosis even Na+ ion cannot go through it....). Is it some form of quantic tunnelling not seen before?
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They don't have to get through the filter; the filter is likely shedding plastic as well at a certain scale roughly proportionate to this.
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In the entire world of 'EMF sensitives', there is not one that can reliably identify the box with the powered cell phone in it. Not one.
The problem is that the same group of morons doesn't understand that a 50% success rate when using two boxes isn't proof of their delusion, rather the opposite. Your time is better spent arguing with a brick wall.
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If only bacteria could be engineered to eat this shit...
Hell yeah... evolution!
Newly-evolved microbes may be breaking down the plastics polluting our oceans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci... [dailymail.co.uk]
How is this worth posting? (Score:5, Informative)
Directly looking at the website of the researchers indicates to me that this hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal yet. And the quality of the post is egregious: "83% of the samples were contaminated with plastic fibers" means practically nothing if we do not also get to know the size of the samples versus the amount and size of the fibers, and their composition.
The actual research, if and when published, could be very interesting. This grab for views --- not so much.
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So the Slashdot summary is bad but at least the answer is in the article:
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In more useful terms, the concentration in the US is somewhere below 78 parts per quadrillion today. If my math is anywhere close (which it likely isn't), that means that up to 0.014mg is likely to bio-accumulate in the average human over the course of 80 years through drinking water. Let's triple it to accommodate for plastic bioaccumulated in our foods.
Perhaps I'm just lucky (Score:4, Interesting)
My home is fed by my own private well and the water gets filtered by a reverse osmosis filtration system. Certainly not foolproof, but plastic fibers are likely the least of your worries in the public water system. I'd be a lot more concerned about pharmaceuticals in the water supply....like anti-depressants.
Re:Perhaps I'm just lucky (Score:5, Insightful)
Just wait until a fracker starts injecting waste water into the water table near you .....
Water treatment failing? (Score:2, Interesting)
Sounds like we (US especially) need to upgrade our water treatment facilities. Contact your representatives.
Or maybe it's all the plastic shit we throw away.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Plastic of all shapes and sizes is literally everywhere people go. Take a walk around your neighborhood sometime and just start picking up any random garbage you see. You'll be surprised just how much you pick up in just a few hundred square feet. Plastic pieces of all colors, shapes, and sizes. Bags. Lids. Shards. Parts of toys. Unidentified stuff...
The stranger part to me is that so many educated people don't care at all about the issue, even though it is just as important as climate change and other forms of toxic pollution due to the enormous amounts of it we're putting into the environment every day. Even here, there will be many comments along the lines of, "Yeah, yeah, plastic in the water is bad - but I'm more worried about X in the water."
Re:Or maybe it's all the plastic shit we throw awa (Score:5, Informative)
One of the worst sources of plastic pollution is cosmetics and shower gels. Some companies put tiny plastic beads into them for texture/exfoliating. Some of the more responsible manufacturers have agreed to stop using them.
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Some of the more responsible manufacturers have agreed to stop using them.
So no one then.
Fortunately they'll all start soon as legislation will slowly force the issue.
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Even here, there will be many comments along the lines of, "Yeah, yeah, plastic in the water is bad - but I'm more worried about X in the water."
I'd be more worried too if I found out there was Ecstasy in the water.
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Pointless (Score:2, Insightful)
Means nothing without mentioning concentrations. By the same logic 99% of water is also contaminated with uranium and cyanide.
Useless in vaccuum of information (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Useless in vaccuum of information (Score:5, Informative)
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It does not matter if they found 4.9 microfiber of size below of 2.5 micrometer. The question is : does it have a significant impact on biological activity of human at those level, and is it below or above the legally set quantity ? That is the correct question. If the answer is no, then my own comment is "meh ?".
Meh? this stuff is fucking up the world's marine ecosystems in a big way which is not really something they need in addition to overfishing, toxic dumping, increasing salinity and acidity, ... the list goes on ... all of this is resulting in a major extinction event. You must be one of those a Republican voting Fox News drones who thinks nothing nature does that is detrimental to life on this planet is important unless nature is doing it on your golf course and it's killing off the grass.
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The question is : does it have a significant impact on biological activity of human at those level, and is it below or above the legally set quantity ?
Well, that would require a more deeper analysis into the effectiveness of the human lymphatic system to remove impurities from the body and the results might be... less sensationalist...
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Oh I dunno... I'd actually be concerned if it made it far enough into your body that the lymphatic system got involved at all...
You know what's remarkable to me? We are relatives of Chimpanzees and Bonobos. Once upon a time we were out in the wild eating rancid raw meat and drinking from contaminated water sources on a regular basis much the same as other animals. From an evolutionary standpoint, we evolved to be able to deal with a lot of impurities being filtered out as a matter of survival. Now granted, we do see evidence that at some point we have lost some of our ability to do this. For example, our appendixes no longer wo
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Well, some would rather call it "fermented" ;D
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While water is usually not pure,
it is astonishing how pure water in the wild actually is.
Water that is polluted with feces and other human waste: that is a complete different story.
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Yeah, but as we stopped living like wild animals, we started living a lot longer.
We live a lot longer because of the random genetic mutation that enabled our higher cognitive functions that allowed us to out-smart our natural predators not because we are more resilient against our natural environment.
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You're fooling yourself if you think our life expectancies are not higher due to the trappings of civilization. Food production, shelter, medicine, sanitation practices, and less violence from our human peers are all huge impacts. Take a modern human out of all of this and put them in a "natural" environment and their evolved genes will not provide the same benefits. They'd have to bootstrap all that social knowledge through many generations of savage living and untimely deaths all over again...
Agriculture and making food perish more slowly, sure. Shelter... eh, I'd like to see statistics about the effect of "advanced shelters" on life expectancy. Medicine, as I said we conquered our natural predators which includes micro-organisms (think vaccinations). That had a huge effect on life expectancy. Sanitation, would like to see how significant this has been on life expectancy. I'm sure it had some impact but if we threw it on the pie chart of contributing factors, it's probably a sliver. "Less
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Sanitation 'cured' many of humanities endemic diseases. Cholera to start. Was the #2 killer on average, just after TB. Huge 'sliver'.
Hoax, debunked already (Score:2)
The contamination source was a combination of the people who collected the water samples (not researchers, just people all around the world), the containers in which the water was stored and transported, and the research lab which was not up to standard at all.
Academics (Score:5, Interesting)
Fucking academics who have never left a schoolground and gone to a construction site.
Plastic fibers are coming from the air.... as opposed to leaching off from those miles and miles of PVC conduit water has to run through before getting to your tap.
Dust (Score:2)
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I bet most of the water we drink is contaminated by dust too! We should put environment protections in place against the dust epidemic!
A lot of dust falls to Earth from space every day. Time for a planetary shield. Meanwhile, stop littering plastic everywhere.
150 samples isn't enough to be "World's" (Score:2)
Reverse osmosis (Score:2)
Get a filter. A coarse + fine + reverse osmosis filter gets that micron size out.
Add a UV steriliser for $70 or so and that kills most if the living stuff.
I have well water with 100-140ppm of solids and my filter makes it 2ppm water.
It is a PITA though. Super slow even with dual osmosis cartridges it takes 2 minutes to fill a pitcher.
An undersink filter will get it (Score:3)
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Plus (Score:2)
It's got vitamin C in it.
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Part of a balanced diet!
Plastic is an issue why? (Score:2)
I'm just curious, what's the issue with ingesting plastics? They exist in the environment because they are very stable, what is the issue?
Sometimes I think folks get all crazy about "man made" == "Not Natural" == "Bad for you" assumptions. This isn't always true.
plastic in plastic water bottle (Score:2)
I don't know if plastic microfibres are somehow different than regular plastic, but considering that the water in plastic water bottles always tastes like plastic, I don't know how big a difference it makes. The taste isn't some homeopathic magic. I mean, if it tastes like plastic, that means you are drinking plastic.
Does it matter? (Score:2)
Is there something particularly insidious about plastic as a substance that makes it harmful?
We animals have evolved for millennia breathing/eating/drinking dust of all sorts of sizes.
The human body is not perfect, but nevertheless amazing in its ability to keep the good stuff, dispense with the bad stuff.
Is there something about plastic dust that hurts us more than other dust? Or is this just another family of particulates that happen to be out there now, where (for example) soot used to be?
Why it's potentially bad, from TFA (Score:2)
Mahon said there were two principal concerns: very small plastic particles and the chemicals or pathogens that microplastics can harbour
Once they are in the nanometre range they can really penetrate a cell and that means they can penetrate organs, and that would be worrying
Couple other potential concerns listed as well. Articles do sometimes contain useful context.
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I think it's trying to communicate... What should we ask it?
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Your "topic" is nothing but a bit of the current thread topic filled with 90% of ethnic slurs. Start by calling people what they are instead of using slurs and insults.
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I'm pretty sure he means "computer users". I bet he's a smartphone addict.
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Yep, they are poisoning them with the dangerous chemical compound dihydrogen monoxide!
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That stuff is lethal if you breath it. It kills hundreds of children every year, many times more than firearms! Only takes a few tablespoons to kill you! AND they sell it by the gallon in the grocery store in plastic bottles... This must stop.
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No sir, I only drink Perrier.
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Community well water here, but we have to treat it to remove natural arsenic.
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Surely natural arsenic is healthy because it's natural. You could grind up apricot kernels and add it to the water to restore the natural arsenic balance.
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When a city starts to fluoridate its water for dental heath, sometimes this means lowering the level of natural fluoride in the water. So much for the hippies' "industrial rat poison" theory.
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That's not how (most) plastics work. You may be thinking of additives such as phthalates and bisphenols. In fact most premium bottled waters are filtered by reverse osmosis, which would actually deal with the particles the article discusses.
Actually, the article kind of implies we might get most of our plastic exposure via inhalation...
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In fact most premium bottled waters are filtered by reverse osmosis, which would actually deal with the particles the article discusses.
That is complete crap. Most bottled water comes straight from tap with a small minority actually going through additional filtration. RO is a comparatively slow and expensive process and does not scale well enough for mass purposes. I ought to know, I use RO to produce water for my multi-thousand litre marine fish tanks.
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"Most premium brands" is a subset of "most bottled water".
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Deal. Find me a single bottle that says it uses sisomso.
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It was a pun!
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Wait, you did the pun? I thought I did the pun.
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I'll bet you won't. RO is expensive and wasteful. You throw away as much water as you clean. Chemical treatment is how large volumes of water are treated.
What you will find on bottles of water are municipality and regional agreements with established treatment plans. You are drinking tap water from a different city in a plastic bottle most of the time.
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Reverse Osmosis Technology = get from tap.
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In fact most premium bottled waters are filtered by reverse osmosis,
What the fuck does this phrase mean, premium bottled waters? You're just setting up to move the goalposts later. The fact is that most bottled water is only carbon and mesh filtered.
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I meant "most premium" in terms of the most commonly purchased branded waters, as opposed to generic grocery store gallon jugs. Coke (Dasani), Pepsi (Aquafina), and even Walmart (Great Value Purified) all explicitly say they are reverse osmosis filtered waters. Nestle is another big player, but they're a little ambiguous saying they use reverse osmosis "and/or" other methods.
Here's a chart about branded water sales. "Private label" means "grocery store brand":
https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
I encourage you
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The short answer is that the statistics don't tell the story [chicagotribune.com], not least because bottled water which doesn't cross state lines is exempt from oversight. That means that only in California do you even theoretically even have the right to know what's in most of the water that's on the shelf. Most bottled water is (as you say) produced by major beverage companies that have bottlers in every state. They can say whatever they want, nobody has the right to check up on them.
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Most bottled water in the US is simply bottled tap water.
They don't process it in any way beyond the way the water utility already has processed it.
SAD, extremely SAD that you don't know that.
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Most bottled water is: not filtered at all
Fixed that for you.
Why would one filter Evian, Perrier, Contrex, Vichy etc?
Re: You must be joking. (Score:2)
Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water.
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leeching minerals from your body
Talk to a chemist sometime.
Also, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Pripyat would have been the classier comeback.
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Re:Fake news (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, those fucking hippy liberal cultural marxist with their absurd desires to drink pure water! What a bunch of losers and whiners. Real men drink their water with as much contaminants as humanly possible, because real men are not pussies!
Unfortunately the tap water here in liberal leftist Finland is ruined by the same liberals, it's way too pure for my levels of masculinity, so I carry a bag of ground plastics with me that I can then mix into my drinking water. My co-workers were confused by this and asked what I was doing, I told them I'm making Finland great again!
Lucky you,with Trump and his awesome stance of 'fuck the environment' your tap water will likely become 'ugely better still. If you're really lucky you'll get a whole bunch of awesome and delicious additives á la Flint like lead. I'm so envious.
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Not coincidentally, common plastic additives are xenoestrogens. Yes, that's the reason your penis is probably smaller than Grandpa's.
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