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28 Years A Smeghead: Red Dwarf Is Coming Back (theguardian.com) 153

BarbaraHudson writes: Unless you're a smeghead, you'll be excited to know that (after 28 years after the smash cult sitcom began) Red Dwarf seasons 11 and 12 are now in production. The Guardian reports: "'I've known these guys longer than I've known my wife,' says Charles (Lister). 'That was what it came down to -- a choice between staying in Coronation Street or doing this.' Last year, after 10 years on the cobbliest of soaps, Charles left. He missed comedy, and the opportunity to strap on the famous dreads came up. 'I was like 'I've got to do it.' It's a career-defining role.' As it was with Llewellyn's (Kryton) re-application of the rubber head: 'The only reason I do it now -- and I don't do any other acting, it drives me mad -- is because it's being with your mates for a few weeks.' 'There's nothing similar about us,' says John-Jules (Kat). 'Except we all have Red Dwarf.'"
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28 Years A Smeghead: Red Dwarf Is Coming Back

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I don't know - Back To Earth seemed a (mostly) fitting finale. Some times you just have to move on...

    • Re:Smeg (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ledow ( 319597 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:11AM (#52898637) Homepage

      I couldn't watch it after the first part.

      You either keep someone up year after year or you leave it alone after a hiatus. Coming back after so many years was a mistake, it didn't work.

      Now if they CAN get back into the flow for two entire series, well done. But I've never seen it happen on any series ever.

      Same with all the other recent BBC remakes - we can't make anything original (without selling it off to Channel 4 apparently), so we'll just bring back actors from 20 years ago and re-try what we did back then. Everything from Open All Hours to Only Fools and Horses, Yes Minister to Porridge. They've all been "re-visited" recently.

      Strange, because the primary complaint about those programs is that the re-runs are shown ENDLESSLY on other channels. I guarantee I could watch one of them right now if I was to channel-surf.

      Red Dwarf was great. Correct tense.

      • Re:Smeg (Score:5, Informative)

        by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) <.richardprice. .at. .gmail.com.> on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:36AM (#52898701)

        Are you aware that there was a fairly decent season 10 of Red Dwarf that aired during 2012? Back to Earth wasnt the last, and its not needed if you wanted to watch season 10.

        • Yeah, I quite liked RD 10. It was better than it had any right to be. So, I'll be looking forward to this one.
        • Series 10? Not bothering.

          Having not liked Red Dwarf 7 so much, I liked Red Dwarf 8 (#) even less, to the extent that I've still never watched it all. (Tried once, abandoned halfway; started again a while later, even less successful).

          In no hurry, I checked out Return to Earth a year or so after it first went out. My initial impression- that it wasn't as bad as I'd expected- was quickly revised as soon as I realised this was only because my expectations had been so lowered in the first place. The ultimate
          • Yeah it went downhill rapidly when kochanski was made a main cast member.
          • Re:Smeg (Score:5, Interesting)

            by yodleboy ( 982200 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:13AM (#52900039)
            "Series 10? Not bothering."

            Then you lose. 10 was a really nice return to what made earlier Red Dwarf so fun. Was it perfect? No, but it was light-years ahead of 7, 8 and BTE and at it's best was as good as any smeg they ever put out. You're cheating yourself as a fan if you don't give it a chance.
            • I agree. Series 10 was great. It felt much like series 5.

              I especially like the episode 'Lemons'.

              • Another recommendation for Series 10. Don't let 7 and 8 sour you (although I liked Series 7 a lot and 8 had its moments). Series 10 was an attempt to return to the earlier style of the show and I think they succeeded very well.

                • Shows do that sometimes, don't they? Start out good, decay to mediocre (often looking bad in comparison to their earlier selves, but still better than a show which is actually shit) then go out with a bang.

                  I thought the 3 of Blackadder (Regency) was mostly crap, but 4 (WW1) was brilliant.

                  Think Spitting Image went through a similar decline before ending strongly. They should bring it back. It's not like there's a lack of source material, is it?

          • by quenda ( 644621 )

            Having not liked Red Dwarf 7 so much, I liked Red Dwarf 8 (#) even less,

            Lasts longer than any other season, season 8. Why? No bugger'll watch it.

          • by dbIII ( 701233 )

            They were trying to have their cake and eat it, too with the "no, all this showing Craig Charles as an actor in Coronation Street (etc) crap isn't really breaking the fourth wall

            It's one of dozens of cheap Coronation Street crossover shows and they've all done that. The Doctor Who one from way back was unwatchable despite the cast. The Red Dwarf one had some good jokes to make it worth it (eg. the "enhance" sequence that was very topical at the time due to it being an overused plot device in CSI type show

            • It's one of dozens of cheap Coronation Street crossover shows and they've all done that. The Doctor Who one from way back was unwatchable despite the cast.

              Are you thinking of the Doctor Who / EastEnders crossover they did to "celebrate" the 30th anniversary in 1993? That was eye-gougingly bad.

              • by dbIII ( 701233 )
                Yes I blamed that on Coronation Street by mistake, and indeed it was unwatchable as a lot of those crossovers have been.
                The Red Dwarf one did at least have a couple of new jokes even though they recycled a plot.
      • Coming back after so many years was a mistake, it didn't work.

        And it didn't work either time. The Red Dwarf VI finale in 1993 was superb. Red Dwarf VII in 1997 was mediocre. VIII in 1999 had a very few high spots, but was basically just bland.

        Back to Earth in 2009 was awful. Even Season VIII got a few chortles. I watched all of Back to Earth without laughing once and was left with no desire to watch any future Red Dwarf.

        Apparently there was a direct-to-DVD Season X in 2012. Maybe it was okay, but at this point I think they've pissed off all but the most die-ha

        • Season X was not so bad. Not up to the standard of the best of 1-6, but pretty much on a par with some of the okay episodes.
        • Season X wasnt direct-to-DVD, it was aired on Dave in prime time. Dave is doing some decent original programming these days, its not just a rerun channel.

        • One of the writers left after VI - just at the point where it seemed the Beeb were prepared to up the budget. So decent writing gave way to CGI dinosaurs and other such nonsense.

          Apparently there was a direct-to-DVD Season X in 2012.

          It was on TV, and it was actually pretty good. It benefitted from having a much smaller budget, I suspect.

        • by dbIII ( 701233 )

          Back to Earth in 2009 was awful

          Yes but still pretty good for a low budget Coronation Street crossover.
          That's like comparing a Star Wars Christmas special to Empire Strikes Back.

      • by Pax681 ( 1002592 )

        I couldn't watch it after the first part.

        You either keep someone up year after year or you leave it alone after a hiatus. Coming back after so many years was a mistake, it didn't work.

        Now if they CAN get back into the flow for two entire series, well done. But I've never seen it happen on any series ever.

        Same with all the other recent BBC remakes - we can't make anything original (without selling it off to Channel 4 apparently), so we'll just bring back actors from 20 years ago and re-try what we did back then. Everything from Open All Hours to Only Fools and Horses, Yes Minister to Porridge. They've all been "re-visited" recently.

        Strange, because the primary complaint about those programs is that the re-runs are shown ENDLESSLY on other channels. I guarantee I could watch one of them right now if I was to channel-surf.

        Red Dwarf was great. Correct tense.

        Red Dwarf 9 - back to earth was totally shite.
        Red Dwarf 10 wasn't so shite but not brilliant.. passable
        Red Dwarf 11 has a budget and it shows AND it's very funny. I quite enjoyed the first episode and if you know where to look you can find it! [eztv.ag] and see for yourself ;)
        you'll find that this was brought back due to popular demand by the fans.

      • It's like when you leave college, and a few years later you go back, and you go to the same bar, but somehow it's not the same.

        Enough philosophy. We now return to your scheduled program.

      • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

        The BBC has a long weird history of never really cancelling a TV series. I guess they're too polite to every officially kill a series. Unfortunately, this has the unintended side effect of requiring the occasional revisit to a once-great series that's way, way past its prime. See Absolutely Fabulous, anything involving Ricky Gervais, the IT Crowd, etc., etc., etc.

        I agree, sometimes you just have to let something go and treasure it for what it was. Trying to bring back a series long after-the-fact (Firefly f

        • The BBC isnt involved in these new seasons, the series is now owned by the channel Dave.

          • by ledow ( 319597 )

            Dave is owned by UKTV

            UKTV is "jointly owned by BBC Worldwide and Scripps Networks Interactive"

            Why do you think they have basically nothing but wall-to-wall repeats of BBC content?

        • IT Crowd was Channel 4, and "The Internet is coming" both kept up the quality and gave the series a fitting end.
      • by Zephyn ( 415698 )

        Red Dwarf was great. Correct tense.

        That opinion is making Mr. Flibble very cross.

        • by ledow ( 319597 )

          Do the same again with a quote from anything past Series 8.

          Go on. See how difficult it is to do, and then see how many other people get it.

      • by Destoo ( 530123 )

        They need to reboot The Young Ones.
        I think they're still alive. Even the 5th flatmate.
        (Oh.. Rick died two years ago.)

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )
        The thing that changes everything is the Red Dwarf is not original and never intended to be, it was satire of the SF theme of the week.
        There are still places for it to go so it doesn't have to be stale.
    • by ChoGGi ( 522069 )

      For better or worse they'd already mentioned new seasons were coming, but personally I would've stopped with season 8

    • I didn't particularly care for Back to Earth as a whole, even though it had some funny bits (such as the way Rimmer dealt with the other hologram, early on). X was better - a bit uneven, but worth watching. It takes a bit to adjust to just how much the actors have aged... although Danny J-J has kept it pretty darn together. But of course they're going to age, they're all going to die of old age on that ship.

    • Pretty much this.

      Usually, when British shows get canceled, you can't help but feel dissatisfied, for they are canceled way too early for your tastes. There once was a joke at the Simpsons (which would be a perfect example of stretching a show way past its best before date) about "the longest running British series with 5 episodes", which isn't that far fetched. How many comedy series from Britain can you name that made it past their second season? And how many that actually existed so long that you said "le

      • How many comedy series from Britain can you name that made it past their second season?

        Last Of The Summer Wine. It literally went on for two generations.

      • by mark-t ( 151149 )

        How many comedy series from Britain can you name that made it past their second season?

        Not a hard question...

        Monty Python's Flying Circus
        Are You Being Served
        Blackadder
        Benny Hill
        Mrs Brown's Boys
        Two Ronnies

        There are probably loads more.

      • by gsslay ( 807818 )

        How many comedy series from Britain can you name that made it past their second season?

        'Allo 'Allo! - 9
        2point4 Children - 8
        Absolutely Fabulous - 5
        Are You Being Served? - 10
        Birds Of A Feather - 12
        A Time Goes By - 10
        Blackadder - 4
        Bottom - 3
        Bread - 7
        Butterflies - 4
        Dad's Army - 9
        Father Ted - 3
        Goodnight Sweetheart - 6
        Hancock's Half Hour - 7
        Hi-De-Hi - 8
        It Ain't Half Hot Mum - 8
        Just Good Friends - 3
        Keeping Up Appearances - 5
        Last Of The Summer Wine - 31. Yes, Thirty One
        Men Behaving Badly - 6
        One Foot In The Grave - 6
        Only Fools And Horses - 7
        Open All Hours - 4
        The Good Life - 4

      • How many comedy series from Britain can you name that made it past their second season?

        H2G2

        Just a Minute (that's on series ... I'm not exactly sure - somewhere in the 40s). ISIHAC is of comparable vintage and has survived the death of it's anchorman reasonably well.

        Now, if you'd specified British comedy DRAMA series, you'd have a stronger point. Though I sometimes find the Archers to be utterly hilarious, and I'm sure it's deliberate.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I remember watching Red Dwarf and Red Green on PBS a long time ago. As I remember, they were on back to back. I generally considered Red Green the better of the two just because Red Dwarf was so crude at times. Don't get me wrong, it was funny as hell at times, but the humor wasn't particularly clever or witty, just crude. I'm glad to see Red Dwarf come back, but I hope there's a little more going on than the crude humor I remember.

  • reboot! (Score:5, Funny)

    by TimMD909 ( 260285 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:30AM (#52898689) Homepage
    Keep quiet, otherwise J. J. Abrams will reboot it to season 1.
  • by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:01AM (#52898757) Homepage

    The last few series of RD were a bit inconsistent and thats being kind. And the recent special was ok , but not hilarious. I can't help thinking a revival is partly a retirement fund for the writers and actors rather than because they have any new ideas and comedy. Still, fingers crossed. Also lets hope Chloe Annette is back in. She can't act for shit but boy is she still fit even in her 40s ;)

    • by Anrego ( 830717 ) *

      It's a controversial opinion, but while I thought season 7 was mostly terrible, I actually liked where they went with the last season and actually hold it up as a rare example of a show managing to breath new life into something that's gone stale by introducing a major plot development near the end.

      • It's a controversial opinion, but while I thought season 7 was mostly terrible, I actually liked where they went with the last season and actually hold it up as a rare example of a show managing to breath new life into something that's gone stale by introducing a major plot development near the end.

        Nothing beats the scene of Kat trying to get sent to the hospital.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    How old is the source of the article? Filming on season 11 was in December 2015, with season 12 being filmed earlier this year. Season 11 airs on a weeks time in the UK, on the 22nd September...

  • by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:00AM (#52898867) Homepage

    Kat?

    • by xlsior ( 524145 )
      Kryton?
      • I figured cat would, you know, evolve after a few million years. With that ego, would he really want to be know as just plain old "cat"? As for Kryten, my bad, Never bothered to watch the credits.
  • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:17AM (#52898901) Homepage

    Unless you're a smeghead, you'll be excited to know that (after 28 years after the smash cult sitcom began) Red Dwarf seasons 11 and 12 are now in production.

    You should also know, unless you're a smeghead, that Red Dwarf series (not seasons) are numbered with Roman numerals.

    As it was with Llewellyn's (Kryton)

    Kryten.

    John-Jules (Kat).

    Cat. Jesus. I mean, he's actually a bloody cat. That's how he got the name.

    Also you make it sound like this is the first time it's coming back since going off air, which isn't so. It has been four years since series X, though.

  • *kcon-kcon*
    "?ereht si ohw"
    "!naiga ,frawd der"

  • Of course, the actual classic parts of the series was Series 2 to 5, and it lost a fair bit when Rob Grant left the series, so Seasons 6-9 were variable, what I've seen of Season 10 was good in the Season 6-9 scale.

    Would have been nice for Rob Grant to have got back involved with it. I suppose some people just move on in the end.

    But it does show that BBC cannot produce decent comedy nowadays. They don't seem to want to fund Red Dwarf, yet will fund appalling horrors such as Citizen Khan and Mrs Brown Boys (

    • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

      Of course, the actual classic parts of the series was Series 2 to 5, and it lost a fair bit when Rob Grant left the series, so Seasons 6-9 were variable, what I've seen of Season 10 was good in the Season 6-9 scale.

      I'd include Series 6 as part of the golden age. In fact, I'd rank it as the best overall. Rob Grant left after Series 6, so his contribution must have been key, likely including the ability to weave in interesting science fiction concepts.

      Series 7 and 8 were dire, except for Cassandra [wikipedia.org] in Season 8.

      I watched Series 10. While not dire, I didn't find any to be a keeper. The first episode of Series 11 is getting good reviews, though I worry that this is due to deprived fans just thankful it isn't a total di

      • by Smid ( 446509 )

        The problem with Season 6 is that Season 5 ended on such a good episode, indeed the rated number one episode of the show ever, that it was hard to beat it. I suspect Rob Grant just went, "well, that's it for me, I'm off".

        • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

          The problem with Season 6 is that Season 5 ended on such a good episode, indeed the rated number one episode of the show ever, that it was hard to beat it. I suspect Rob Grant just went, "well, that's it for me, I'm off".

          Back to Reality is my favourite episode as well. But Rob Grant did co-write all of Season 6 [wikipedia.org].

    • > Of course, the actual classic parts of the series was Series 2 to 5, and it lost a fair bit when Rob Grant left the series, so Seasons 6-9 were variable, what I've seen of Season 10 was good in the Season 6-9 scale.

      Actually, I thought the first 2 seasons were the best. Normally I can't stand low-budget Sci-Fi but Red Dwarf had a certain charm that was never quite replicated in the latter episodes.

      IIRC they got more money and a new logo in Season 3 and that is when things started to change. Seasons 3 .

  • .....YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS, I was waiting for this! I hope that they pull it off as this was one of my favorite shows ever!
  • Excellent (Score:4, Informative)

    by Jethro ( 14165 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:21AM (#52899687) Homepage

    Red Dwarf is one of my favourite shows, ever.

    Yeah, series 8 was... well, bad, and most people are content to ignore (mini)series 9. But season 10 was pretty good and had some really, really funny moments (Lister's Father's Day thing, for example, took one of the more hilariously messed up aspects of the show and built on it).

    So more Red Dwarf? I'll take it.

    • Red Dwarf is one of my favourite shows, ever.

      Mine too.

      My computer naming convention has been RD characters for as long as I can remember.

      My main computer is always named "Ace".... What a guy!

  • Is where the crew go back in time to accidentally mess up the JFK assassination, and, in order to reset the timeline, they take an older, more jaded and washed out JFK to assassinate himself.

    Alternative fictional JFK assassins would include the Smoking Man from The X-Files and the Comedian in The Watchmen.

  • Perhaps there is hope for more season of other cancelled Sci Fi series. I do believe it's past time for some thrilling heroics.

  • Series 10 was a bit jarring to see how old all the characters were (which is hard not to show since the actors are indeed 30 years older). Rimmer in particular appeared much older than the last time we saw him.

    Even their movements and voices sounded older. In Series 11 so far it appears they have a lot better makeup as they appear younger than they did in series 10. They almost look like they could have hopped into the scene from series 8 and we might not have noticed.

  • Airs next week (Score:5, Informative)

    by MagicM ( 85041 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @12:57PM (#52901315)

    The most important part is buried at the bottom of TFA:

    Red Dwarf XI starts on 22 September at 9pm on Dave. It's available to preview on UKTV Play now.

  • I feel compelled to share my favorite episode: Better Than Life

    I find Arnold Rimmer's plight in that episode to be absolutely hilarious. He can have anything he wants, simply by thinking of it.... and he ends up buried up to his neck in the ground with fire ants crawling all over his head.

    The capacity for self sabotage is infinitely funny to me because it is my MO...

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:51PM (#52901889)
    Without him life would be much grimmer
  • After 28 years, you think they would be out of curry by now.
    • by dbIII ( 701233 )

      After 28 years, you think they would be out of curry by now.

      Holly: Hope they've got some odds and sods on board, we're short of a few supplies.
      Lister: [drinking tea] Like what?
      Holly: Cow's milk, ran out of that yonks ago. Fresh and dehydrated.
      Lister: What kind of milk are we using now?
      Holly: Emergency backup supply. We're on the dog's milk.
      Lister: Dog's milk!
      Holly: Nothing wrong with dog's milk. Full of goodness, full of vitamins, full of marrowbone jelly. Lasts longer than any other milk, dog's milk.
      Lister: Why?
      Holly: No bugger'll drink it. Plus of course

PURGE COMPLETE.

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