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Astronomers To Announce Discovery of a Nearby 'Earth-Like' Planet (seeker.com) 347

astroengine quotes a report from Seeker: Scientists are preparing to unveil a new planet in our galactic neighborhood which is "believed to be Earth-like" and orbits its star at a distance that could favor life, German weekly Der Spiegel reported Friday. The exoplanet orbits a well-investigated star called Proxima Centauri, part of the Alpha Centauri star system, the magazine said, quoting anonymous sources.

"The still nameless planet is believed to be Earth-like and orbits at a distance to Proxima Centauri that could allow it to have liquid water on its surface -- an important requirement for the emergence of life," said the magazine.

It's orbiting our sun's nearest neighboring star -- just 4.25 light years away -- meaning it could someday be considered for the world's first interstellar mission.
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Astronomers To Announce Discovery of a Nearby 'Earth-Like' Planet

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  • interstellar mission (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    "meaning it could someday be considered for the world's first interstellar mission."

    This is the longest timescale for 'someday' ever. Not going to happen in the lifetime of any descendent we can imagine.

    If there was anyone on that planet, we could talk to them for sure. But no visiting is going to happen before humans cease to be creatures we recognise as the same as us.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 14, 2016 @03:46PM (#52701051)

      Also it's insane to think that humans could ever fly like birds in the sky, that the horseless buggy could ever outpace a solid 8-steed-wagon, or that the demons causing polio will ever be driven out by the power of Christ.

      You fucking moron.

      • I believe your heart is in the right place, but you won't help this challenging endeavor by calling names your fellow human travelers.

      • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
        Some things are possible. Some are not. People have imagine some giant bearded creature in the sky for thousands of years yet he's not any more real today than he was 6000 years ago.
        • Beard? Says who? I think that has more to do with Michelangelo (and more recently, Monte Python).

          BTW, have you never heard of the barber paradox? The barber who shaves every man who doesn't shave himself. Got is quite able to be that barber, whether He shaves himself or not.

    • This civilization has seen our I Love Lucy broadcasts, and is planning war.

      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        Actually they would probably not be offended by I Love Lucie. If they any of the reality TV shows we are doomed.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      The technology to send a probe to Proxima Centauri within a couple of decades more or less exists now. It only requires the will to do it.

      • by skids ( 119237 )

        Or we could wait 25,000 years or so for it to get closer, and that would shave *years* off the trip :-)

    • This is the longest timescale for 'someday' ever. Not going to happen in the lifetime of any descendent we can imagine.

      Joke's on you, some of us plan to cure aging in the next several decades. Or at least give it a good try.

    • They didn't say *manned* mission. There exists a possibility of an unmanned probe. It could take its time getting there and back. The people who launched it wouldn't live to see it return, but there would be all kinds of cool data to be had from it while it went. Like Voyager today.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Proxima Centauri is a flare star. Good luck with it being Earth-like.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Longjmp ( 632577 )
      Correct. But not only that.
      It's most likely also 'tidal-locked', meaning one side will always face the sun (and be damn hot) and the other side permanently dark (damn cold) - with storms between which will make Earth's hurricanes look like the blow of a butterfly.
      With an evironment like that, we can rule out higher life forms.
      However, even primitive algae and amoebae in the belt between the extreme zones would be a sensation.
      • by Gavagai80 ( 1275204 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:17PM (#52701171) Homepage

        Take a tidally locked planet around a flare star. Let the sunny side be too hot for life, so that the dark side is just the right temperature for life. The dark side is also well-protected from radiation by the mass of the planet, isn't it? As long as the atmosphere isn't blown off, which it wouldn't be according to theory, what would be the difficulty for life? Obviously photosynthesis wouldn't develop, but we have plenty of life on Earth that doesn't require that, and the abundance of photosynthesis on Earth may simply be an adaptation to the abundance of sunlight we have rather than a necessary path for life.

      • by brasselv ( 1471265 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @05:07PM (#52701367)

        "With an evironment like that, we can rule out higher life forms."

        Centaurians called.
        They wanted to know how can we sustain higher life forms on Earth - since we have neither the cyclic megahurricans that are essential to recharge cyclic biotanks, nor we have a proper dark side of the planet where we can comfortably hatch our silicon eggs.
        To be frank, they sounded rather narrow minded about any real possibility of life without those things.

        • by Longjmp ( 632577 )
          That's easy.
          We'd just tell them we defy all known physics, from flares and radiation to pure mechanical forces like they do, obviously ;)
        • by sysrammer ( 446839 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @10:49PM (#52702441) Homepage

          In fact, their armored trading fleet is being readied right now...to back up negotiations for that bit of prime real estate closest to Sol.

          Perhaps we could trade Mercury for one of their worthless water worlds. As the Centaurians like to say, "If you like mucking about in the slime, we will view you, but we will not see you". (It loses something in the translation)

    • Nuts, I was going to say this, but you beat me to it. Anyway, well said!

  • by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @03:41PM (#52701033)
    ours or theirs?
  • by EmperorOfCanada ( 1332175 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @03:49PM (#52701059)
    Minimally we need to start seriously looking at a robotic probe.What is the time line for something that does a flyby? Can we get a probe up to 10%c or are we looking at even 1%c as too hard? 50 years is pretty cool. 500 or more years would be taking the risk that two things happen, one civilization falls enough that we forget we sent it. Or that in the next 500 years we easily build way faster probes.

    Also with 50 years and we find something worth visiting, and now can think about sending people. 500 and we are back to science fiction.

    Minimally, this justifies building one huge honking telescope to get a good look at this planet.
    • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @03:56PM (#52701085)

      Minimally, this justifies building one huge honking telescope to get a good look at this planet.

      Didn't you read the article? They were able to take a pretty detailed picture already [tumblr.com].

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      The fastest probe we ever has built goes 0.023%. It is doubtful we will even get to 1%, ever.
      • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:35PM (#52701239)

        The fastest probe we ever has built goes 0.023%. It is doubtful we will even get to 1%, ever.

        Seems to me I once read that early last century someone said words to the effect of "what's the point of airplanes? Not like they'll ever be able to fly nonstop across the Pacific or anything".

        Oddly, your comment reminded me of that....

        • by arth1 ( 260657 )

          Seems to me I once read that early last century someone said words to the effect of "what's the point of airplanes? Not like they'll ever be able to fly nonstop across the Pacific or anything".

          Oddly, your comment reminded me of that....

          Oddly, your comment reminded me of how much progress has halted, not to say reversed. We had SR-71. We had Concorde. We had the Space Shuttle. We had man on the moon.

          • Seems to me I once read that early last century someone said words to the effect of "what's the point of airplanes? Not like they'll ever be able to fly nonstop across the Pacific or anything".

            Oddly, your comment reminded me of that....

            Oddly, your comment reminded me of how much progress has halted, not to say reversed. We had SR-71. We had Concorde. We had the Space Shuttle. We had man on the moon.

            Progress was neither halted nor reversed. We had to take a step back and focus on efficiency, rather than just relying on brute force. All of those systems worked fine, but they were just too resource-intensive to justify their operation. We'll get back to the moon soon enough, and it will cost a tiny fraction of what the Apollo missions did. The SR-71 is just unnecessary today given better satellite coverage and better optics. The Concorde... that may never be back.

          • More like progress has gone sideways. The focus has changed from high speed vehicles to high fuel efficiency vehicles ever since the 1970s oil crisis. It's the same reason you do not see cars powered by Wankel engines or turbines. It's not that we do not have the technology it just does not make economic sense.

            Today we have satellite reconnaissance and regardless of how fast you make a jet aircraft a SAM rocket will prove to be faster. You might as well send a high-altitude relatively slow drone like the Gl

            • I don't think the issue with reviving the Saturn V is the fuel, it's the cost of building those engines, and everything else that goes with it. (Including more reliable sources of electricity than Apollo 13 carried, although I guess that's solved.)

      • The fastest probe we ever has built goes 0.023%. It is doubtful we will even get to 1%, ever.

        And yet decades have technology has improved since, and we've never built a probe for this purpose. Everything else has been built with planetary observation/fly-by in mind, not blazing out of the solar system for blazing's sake.

        • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
          Diminishing returns kid. When you get older and the stars fade a little, you'll realize the bit about diminishing returns...
      • by guruevi ( 827432 )

        There is nothing stopping us from building a probe that goes that fast except for the expense (more weight) and some engineering (bigger/better shielding, more efficient rockets, bigger fuel production). We have the tech for it, we just don't have the political willpower to do it, I mean, who really wants to have a nuclear reactor going up in the air, something goes wrong and the US will be turned to dust and be inhabitable for 1000 years.

        • You're exaggerating the effect that a simple nuclear reactor would have even in a catastrophic failure by a whole lot.

        • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

          who really wants to have a nuclear reactor going up in the air, something goes wrong and the US will be turned to dust and be inhabitable for 1000 years.

          I don't claim to be a nuclear scientist, but I'm pretty sure that even in the worst-case scenario that would not happen.

    • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
      1% C is too hard. The current fastest man made object is the Juno mission that made it to 25 miles per second. Considering that light speed is 186,000 miles per second, we've only ever reached 0.01% of the speed of light.
  • starshot project and similar, preliminary designs of tiny probes less than a gram, in a swarm of hundreds to thouands accelerated to sizeable fraction (10-20%) of the speed of light seem like the only plausible way to explore other "nearby" star systems for the next century.

    • Science fiction. Blog posts aren't reality.
      • leading physicists are working on it and believe it technically possible.

        so you know more than they do?

    • starshot project and similar, preliminary designs of tiny probes less than a gram, in a swarm of hundreds to thouands accelerated to sizeable fraction (10-20%) of the speed of light seem like the only plausible way to explore other "nearby" star systems for the next century.

      And they would get data back to us how?

  • "to announce"? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xtifr ( 1323 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:18PM (#52701175) Homepage

    I like the "to announce" part. Like, if they haven't announced it, why are you reporting on it? Maybe there's a reason they haven't actually announced it yet! Perhaps the data is tentative and admits of another explanation, which, on further review, will prove to be true. Perhaps it's simply one guy's wild-ass guess based on incomplete data.

    Contacted by AFP, ESO spokesman Richard Hook said he is aware of the report, but refused to confirm or deny it. "We are not making any comment," he said.

    Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason he's not making any comment? Like, they want to avoid making false statements in public and embarrassing themselves? Quite unlike certain (most?) Internet "news" sites which are perfectly happy both to make false statements and to embarrass themselves? "Who cares? Just give us those clicks!"

    Anyway, this is pretty cool if confirmed, but at this point, I'm treating it with all the seriousness it deserves, which is approximately zero.

    • by Xtifr ( 1323 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @06:31PM (#52701625) Homepage

      p.s. I realize I've violated the unwritten rules of slashdot by actually reading the article and commenting on what it says, instead of leaping to snap judgment based on the headline alone. In my defense, I actually read the article yesterday, before it was posted to slashdot. :)

  • Great news! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Sunday August 14, 2016 @04:34PM (#52701233) Homepage

    I am so relieved that all those colonization spaceships I've sent to Alpha Centauri, over many years of playing Civilization, will have somewhere to land!

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      Movie? MOVIE?????

      There are those of us who watched the series on Black & White TV.

      I'm tempted to ask you to hand in your geek card, but you're probably too young to remember the series.

      • Careful, you're showing your age. :-)

        I watched the first run of LiS in glorious black in white. I was, um, pretty young, but remembered loving the first season, and disliking the show more and more as it descended into camp. (Although I didn't know what "camp" meant at the time. I just found the later episodes awkward and frivolous). When the SciFi channel first started, they ran reruns of LiS, Voyage, and Time Tunnel back to back for awhile, and I was able to confirm my earlier impressions.

        I used the m

  • The still nameless planet is believed to be Earth-like and orbits at a distance to Proxima Centauri that could allow it to have liquid water on its surface -- an important requirement for the emergence of life," said the magazine.

    Of course it's still nameless stupid. We haven't got there yet to ask the locals what the planet's called.

  • just 4.25 light years away - there's your problem right there.
  • James P. Hogan's comments from: https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org]
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    An Earth set well into the next century is going through one of its periodical crises politically, and it looks as if this time they might really press the button for the Big One. If it happens, the only chance for our species to survive would be by preserving a sliver of itself elsewhere, which in practical terms means another star, since nothing closer is readily habitable. There isn't time to organize a manned expedition of such scope from scratch. However, a robot exploratory vessel is under construction to make the first crossing to the Centauri system, and it with a crash program it would be possible to modify the designs to carry sets of human genetic data coded electronically. Additionally, a complement of incubator/nanny/tutor robots can be included, able to convert the electronic data back into chemistry and raise/educate the ensuing offspring while others prepare surface habitats and supporting infrastructure, when a habitable world is discovered. By the time we meet the "Chironians," their culture is into its fifth generation.

    In the meantime, Earth went through a dodgy period, but managed in the end to muddle through. The fun begins when a generation ship housing a population of thousands arrives to "reclaim" the colony on behalf of the repressive, authoritarian regime that emerged following the crisis period. The Mayflower II brings with it all the tried and tested apparatus for bringing a recalcitrant population to heel: authority, with its power structure and symbolism, to impress; commercial institutions with the promise of wealth and possessions, to tempt and ensnare; a religious presence, to awe and instill duty and obedience; and if all else fails, armed military force to compel. But what happens when these methods encounter a population that has never been conditioned to respond?

    The book has an interesting corollary. Around about the mid eighties, I received a letter notifying me that the story had been serialized in an underground Polish s.f. magazine. They hadn't exactly "stolen" it, the publishers explained, but had credited zlotys to an account in my name there, so if I ever decided to take a holiday in Poland the expenses would be covered (there was no exchange mechanism with Western currencies at that time). Then the story started surfacing in other countries of Eastern Europe, by all accounts to an enthusiastic reception. What they liked there, apparently, was the updated "Ghandiesque" formula on how bring down an oppressive regime when it's got all the guns. And a couple of years later, they were all doing it!

    So I claim the credit. Forget all the tales you hear about the contradictions of Marxist economics, truth getting past the Iron Curtain via satellites and the Internet, Reagan's Star Wars program, and so on.

    In 1989, after communist rule and the Wall came tumbling down, the annual European s.f. convention was held at Krakow in southern Poland, and I was invited as one of the Western guests. On the way home, I spent a few days in Warsaw and at last was able to meet the people who had published that original magazine. "Well, fine," I told them. "Finally, I can draw out all that money that you stashed away for me back in '85. One of the remarked-too hastily--that "It was worth something when we put it in the bank." (There had been two years of ruinous inflation following the outgoing regime's policy of sabotaging everything in order to be able to prove that the new ideas wouldn't work.) I said, resignedly, "Okay. How much are we talking about?" The one with a calculator tapped away for a few seconds, looked embarrassed, and announced, "Eight dollars and forty-three cents." So after the U.S. had spent trillions on its B-52s, Trident submarines, NSA, CIA, and the rest--all of it.

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