Obesity Is Three Times As Deadly For Men Than Women, Says Study (telegraph.co.uk) 202
An anonymous reader writes from a report via The Telegraph: Researchers at Oxford, Cambridge and Harvard universities found in the biggest ever study into weight and death that obesity is three times more deadly for men than women, and that being slightly overweight raises the risk of dying early. Telegraph reports: "Obese people can expect to lose three years of life while the average overweight person will die 12 months sooner than they would have if they were a healthy size. Usually fewer than one in five men will die before the age of 70, but that jumps to nearly one in three for the moderately obese, and eight in 10 for the morbidly obese. In contrast around one in 10 women can expect to die early, with obesity raising the risk to one in seven. While obesity raises the risk of early death by just three per cent for women, it is 10 per cent for men, more than three times as much. Around 61 per cent of adults are currently overweight or obese and the average weight of Britons has been steadily increasingly since the 1970s. In 1975 the average Briton had a BMI of 23, which is considered a healthy weight. But today that has risen to 27, with the average person now overweight. It means that since the 1970s, every person in Briton has roughly gained more than three pounds (1.5kg) per decade. Ten types of cancer are linked to excess weight which can also lead to Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke, respiratory disease and a range of other health problems. Researchers compiled data from 10.6 million people who took part in 239 studies between 1970 and 2015, in 32 different countries. The study found an increased risk of premature death for people who were underweight, as well as for people classed as overweight." According to a study published in the Lancet in April, obese people now outnumber the underweight population for perhaps the first time in history.
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Wow, you really have no understanding of sexual attraction. You sound like a typical male wearing waving his male-approved checklist so no one could suspect him of playing for the other team: got hooters, got nice butt, face okay....let's screw. Sexual interest is tied up with a lot more than physical characteristics. The tie up does mean men are more physically in tune during sex, but the initial attraction involves far more.
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Gay sex is more than just butt-sex.
Frankly, butt-sex is about as common (percentually) between straight couples.
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Shouldn't be, women burn fat more effectively than men.
"there is abundant evidence that the proportion of energy derived from fat during exercise is higher in women than in men."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... [nih.gov]
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Woman have a higher healthy BMI than Men do. But as men move away from physical labor jobs, I expect to see it rise.
My woman is fat..... (Score:5, Funny)
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for women, after a high risk of death if excessively thin, the risk decreases slowly with weight, until they are one kilo past the "obese mark", then it rises rapidly.
Clearly it is not the weight that kills, but the label obese that kills.
Disclaimer: I routinely suspect medical science is bu
Society is very much to blame (Score:2, Insightful)
We expect people to work ridiculously long hours at increasingly sedentary jobs and we wonder why people become more overweight. It's incredibly unhealthy for so many reasons. Poor people or those who were once poor are more prone to obesity because the fear of going hungry causes them to overeat when food is available. We have more than enough wealth to ensure that nobody goes hungry, but some people are too greedy to agree to part with any of their money for such purposes. And then we have fucked up peopl
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People are overweight because they consume more calories than they burn. It is that simple. Almost no amount of exercise will change that. Your body will burn more calories doing nothing all day than you running a mile. Exercise will improve your health but it's affect on your weight are minimal.
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People are overweight because they consume more calories than they burn. It is that simple. Almost no amount of exercise will change that. Your body will burn more calories doing nothing all day than you running a mile. Exercise will improve your health but it's affect on your weight are minimal.
This is misguided. I think I understand where you are starting from, but your general conclusion doesn't follow. (Nor does it negate GP's argument that sedentary jobs, etc. may contribute to obesity.)
You're correct that calorie intake is generally much more significant in weight maintenance (or weight loss) than exercise. To lose a pound per week, for example, you'd have to have a calorie deficit of roughly 500 calories/day. That's much easier to achieve through dietary change than through exercise alone. And if you do it through exercise alone, you can negate that deficit simply by having a slice of cake for dessert.
That said, your next step doesn't follow. Sedentary lifestyles can easily contribute to obesity, since effects of no exercise can add up significantly over time. The fundamental problem with "dieting" is that people pack on pounds over years, but then expect to lose them all in a month or something. It may have taken you ten years to put on those 50 pounds, but you just can't lose it in a few weeks... it's impossible.
And the only way to lose weight at a significant rate is generally to reduce intake, as I said.
On the other hand, that does NOT mean there's no effect of exercise on weight maintenance. Take that 50 lbs. gain over 10 years -- that's an excess of approximately 50 calories per day. 50 calories per day is an amount of exercise that can easily be expended by having a job that just requires you to move around a little bit more. But that lack of exercise CAN add up significantly over the years.
All that said, the issue is much more complicated, since weight maintenance has to do with appetite and feedback mechanisms too, which are affected by mental state, physical fitness, level of exercise, and all sort of other things. But the main point is that lack of even a small amount of exercise CAN add up to significant weight shifts over time, at least in theory. So sedentary work lifestyle MAY be a contributing factor to a long-term trend. None of that has anything to do with the fact that diet can have a much larger effect than exercise when one is trying to make RAPID weight changes.
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Exercise is generally recognized as being ineffective for weight loss. The problem is, if you increase the number of calories you burn by exercising your body tends to compensate by burning fewer calories at rest. The other problem is that you need to do an awful lot of exercise to burn off one chocolate bar, which didn't provide you with much nutrition anyway.
Of course exercise has many other health benefits and is highly recommended, it's just not an effective weight loss tool.
Calorie intake management is
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Of course exercise has many other health benefits and is highly recommended, it's just not an effective weight loss tool.
I know it's anecdotal, but that has not been my experience. I started doing Judo and Jujitsu about nine years ago, I was about 216 lbs. when I started (I'm 5'9"). I started working out one day a week, then two and finally settled in at three, sometimes four, days a week at the dojo. In a maybe three years time I weighed in for a grappling tournament at 176 lbs. I had not changed my diet one bit.
I have noticed that if I make it to the dojo three times a week, then I lose weight. If I make it twice a w
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I used to do judo as well, and found it had no real effect on my weight. If anything I gained a bit due to increased muscle mass.
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Not to mention that if you're exercising, you're probably not eating something, like a snack. So many people have little snacks here and there, and that adds up.
10 lbs = 10 marathons* (Score:2)
Calorie deficit trumps exercise, strictly for weight loss. (Exercise has obviously has other benefits.)
For example, your 500 calorie/day deficit results in a 3,500 calories deficit in one week to lose one pound. For a 200-lb individual, it takes about 3,500 calories to run a marathon. Want to lose ten pounds? Diet for 10 weeks, or run 10 marathons.* Your choice.
(It's not that simple, since your body doesn't just tap into fat reserves unconditionally. Your body will also adjust your metabolism based on chang
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People are overweight because they consume more calories than they burn. It is that simple. Almost no amount of exercise will change that. Your body will burn more calories doing nothing all day than you running a mile. Exercise will improve your health but it's affect on your weight are minimal.
It is the modern, sedentary lifestyle that causes most of it. With a physical working job, just being moving on your feet, you will easily burn an additional 1500 calories a day.
Easy-access food is less the problem.
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People are overweight because they consume more calories than they burn. It is that simple.
No, it's not that simple. Recent studies have shown that your gut biome helps to determine if you stay thin or gain weight.
In 2006, Jeffrey Gordon, MD, and his colleagues at the Washington University Medical School in St Louis published a paper in the journal Nature demonstrating that thin mice and obese mice have different populations of gut bacteria. Furthermore, they proved that one particular type of bacteria caused obesity, rather than obesity changing the types of bacteria. When the scientists isolated a strain of Firmicutes bacteria from chubby mice and then introduced them into the bacteria-free guts of thin mice raised in a sterile environment, the skinny mice fattened up in just 10 to 14 days.
Why You Can't Lose Weight [wddty.com]
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People are overweight because they consume more calories than they burn. It is that simple. Almost no amount of exercise will change that. Your body will burn more calories doing nothing all day than you running a mile. Exercise will improve your health but it's affect on your weight are minimal.
How did this get modded Insightful? Almost no amount of exercise will change the amount of calories burned? That's ridiculous.
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Let's say hypothetical person exercises 4 hours a day. During that time that person won't even burn 1/3 or their resting caloric usage per day. It helps but one cheesecake or buttered popcorn will set you back days.
But they're burning whatever they burn during those 4 hours of exercise in addition to the resting burn rate they are doing all day. So if they burn 1/3 of their resting rate, they are increasing their caloric burn by 33%. That seems significant.
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Not true. Exercise causes muscle cells that are stressed to phosphorylate AKT, which upon feeding activates mTOR and will make you hungrier as insulin starts binding to the muscle cells and activates the PI3K / Akt and Erk MAP kinase pathways.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... [nih.gov]
Exercise will cause the food you eat to go to repair, versus being stored as fat. Doesn't curb hunger at all, other than while you are exercising (due to AMP Kinase phosphorylation). You will certainly be hungrier after a workout than i
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They aren't "fucked up", they're bullies who simply latch into any excusable target since political correctness is making those so rare nowadays. From their point of view harming you is a good thing both because they get their kicks from it and because it keeps you whe
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"... I blame society. Society made me what I am."
Why are some restaurants serving 1,500-calorie plates on their menu?
This is a major reason why I don't eat out anymore. One plate is my entire food budget for day, assuming that the carbs are 150 grams or less. If I do eat out, I get the smallest serving possible or I take home two-thirds of the plate to eat for later meals. Unfortunately, some skinny people think I'm trying to... skinny... shame them for eating an extravagant meal because I'm sticking to my diet goals. They got this weird idea that I shoul
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Because it looks like a better deal compared to a 1,000 calorie plate at 2/3 the price, probably.
And bear in mind that it takes about the same amount of effort to cook it, wash the plate, etc - so it's more profitable for the owner.
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Blah blah blah, it's somebody else's fault (greedy people as you called them.)
It's NOT YOUR MONEY. Stop thinking you're entitled to use it or dictate how it should be used.
It's not your money either. It belongs to the Federal Reserve; we are just borrowing it.
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Law and right are only coincidentally related. You may have the legal power to control the spending of somebody else's money, but you do not have the right.
In this type of case, that's a distinction without a difference.
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where is "Briton"?
life expectancy of a house fly. (Score:2)
I know this is true because my wife told me she'll kill me if I get fat.
I'm morbidly obese... (Score:2)
Usually fewer than one in five men will die before the age of 70, but that jumps to nearly one in three for the moderately obese, and eight in 10 for the morbidly obese.
I'm 47-YO, 5'-11" and 350 pounds (see pic link below). According to BMI and the experts on Slashdot, I'm morbidly obese and should have dropped dead three years ago.
http://www.cdreimer.com/images/cdreimer_350.jpg [cdreimer.com]
Except for one small problem: I don't believe that bullshit.
Why? Because I take care of myself. I eat a 150g carbs/1,500-calorie diet, I walk 20 minutes daily and work out at the gym on weekends. I also maintain a positive attitude and don't allow fat shamers to bully me. I'll probably live longer
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I am 49, 5'6" and 200 pounds. Today I cycled 45 miles and spent over half an hour in heart zone 5. Further, I do that several times a week. Accorw=ding to my doctor, other than the weight, my numbers are great.
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I am 49, 5'6" and 200 pounds. Today I cycled 45 miles and spent over half an hour in heart zone 5. Further, I do that several times a week. Accorw=ding to my doctor, other than the weight, my numbers are great.
I'd assume from that, your BMI is pretty low?
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I'd assume from that, your BMI is pretty low?
No, it would be high. BMI is just a function of weight and height and nothing else. It's a good predictor of whether or not you're obese (95% accurate for men, 99% accurate for women). It's particularly useful because it relies on one readily measured variable (weight) and unlike waist measurement (which is actually a better predictor when measured accurately), it's much harder to measure it wrong.
But it's only a predictor. Your status of overweight or not is con
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I'm 47-YO, 5'-11" and 350 pounds (see pic link below). According to BMI and the experts on Slashdot, I'm morbidly obese and should have dropped dead three years ago.
Similar here, although I tip the scales around a hundred less. I cannot float, because of my density, but still considered morbid. But you can only get so much exercise, and waddya do when its unhealthy to get rid of any more body fat. At my Ice hockey "thinnest" I was 225, playing three games a week. And it's simply not possible to get that much exercise as you age.
Oh well, no one fat shames me in person for some reason.
But my good man,you appear to know that life isn't a game where the idea is to s
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Usually fewer than one in five men will die before the age of 70, but that jumps to nearly one in three for the moderately obese, and eight in 10 for the morbidly obese.
I'm 47-YO, 5'-11" and 350 pounds (see pic link below). According to BMI and the experts on Slashdot, I'm morbidly obese and should have dropped dead three years ago.
http://www.cdreimer.com/images/cdreimer_350.jpg [cdreimer.com]
You're arguing against a bit of a strawman. No one claims that BMI is a perfect indicator of health for everyone, it's just a decent estimator for people with average body composition. You look to have an unusually high percentage of muscle so BMI doesn't really apply to you.
Why? Because I take care of myself. I eat a 150g carbs/1,500-calorie diet, I walk 20 minutes daily and work out at the gym on weekends.
Are you sure you're calculating that correctly? 1500 per day is extremely low for a woman [hc-sc.gc.ca], just to maintain an average sedentary male physique you're looking at 2350.
I also maintain a positive attitude and don't allow fat shamers to bully me. I'll probably live longer than my hard-drinking, chain-smoking relatives who are dropping like flies these days. Although I haven't been to a doctor in 15 years, I'm in better health today than I ever was before.
You're not obese but you still have a decent amount of body fat, just
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If you haven't been to a doctor in 15 years - how do you know you are "in better health today than I ever was before"?
I'm very suspicious about the claim that you are maintaining 350lbs on a 1,500 calorie a day diet. With any kind of exercise, you should be losing weight, not maintaining it. Maybe if you were eating 1,500 calories a meal, three times a day you would be maintaining that weight.
I'm happy you feel good - but at 350lbs and not losing weight on what should be minimal caloric input, I suspect t
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If you haven't been to a doctor in 15 years - how do you know you are "in better health today than I ever was before"?
I feel better, look better and sleep better than 15 years ago. Back then, I was a butterball with nice legs from bicycling 20 miles per day. Today I'm more muscle mass than fat.
Maybe if you were eating 1,500 calories a meal, three times a day you would be maintaining that weight.
Nope. I eat 150 grams of carbs and 1,500 calories per day. This has been my current diet for the last four months. The fat is coming off my sides. That might be from the rowing machine at the gym.
After all, you don't want those relatives of yours spilling drinks and cigarette ashes into your coffin.
That's assuming I have any relatives left when I die. They're dropping like flies these days.
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Except for one small problem: I don't believe that bullshit.
What bullshit?
Morbidly obese doesn't mean "you're guaranteed to drop dead", much like smoking 60 fags a day doesn't mean you're guaranteed to drop dead. Excess weight is, however, causally correlated with a wide variety of different health problems. If you don't believe that then you are simply engaging in denialism.
You might have won the genetic lottery. It happens. Not everyone gets all or any of the health problems from being very overweight. T
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Morbidly obese doesn't mean "you're guaranteed to drop dead", much like smoking 60 fags a day doesn't mean you're guaranteed to drop dead.
Not according to the self-righteous fat shamers, fitness nuts and ACs. The morbidly obese label should apply to people who are 2X, 3X or 4X bigger than I am. I see them all the time on public transit.
Excess weight is, however, causally correlated with a wide variety of different health problems.
I've taken steps to reduce those health risks by eating healthy, exercising regularly and getting enough sleep. The only thing I'm not doing as some people encouraged me to do is commit suicide.
That's an extremely low intake for an adult male.
Not necessarily. The average American eat 300+ grams of carbs and 2,000+ calories. A low-carb diet is 150 grams of car
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Not according to the self-righteous fat shamers, fitness nuts and ACs.
Not sure where you got fitness nuts from, but sure if you pick whackos you can find someone with any stupid opinion. That proves nothing except there are idiots on the internet.
The morbidly obese label should apply to people who are 2X, 3X or 4X bigger than I am.
The medical profession defines it. Why do you care where they draw the line? Also dude, you're 350lbs: people 4x your weight don't exist.
That's an extremely low intake for an adu
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Not sure where you got fitness nuts from [...]
Coworkers. I get lectured frequently on the virtues of drinking water — never mind that I have a pitcher of water on my desk. Another coworker loudly recommended that I get lap band surgery in the middle of a meeting.
Also dude, you're 350lbs: people 4x your weight don't exist.
The Internet disagrees with you.
http://mostextreme.org/heaviest_man.php [mostextreme.org]
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Coworkers. I get lectured frequently on the virtues of drinking water - never mind that I have a pitcher of water on my desk. Another coworker loudly recommended that I get lap band surgery in the middle of a meeting.
Sounds like your coworker is a dickhead. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with "morbidly obese" as a term.
The Internet disagrees with you.
My point still stands. Almost no one is even 2x your weight let alone 4x.
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Almost no one is even 2x your weight let alone 4x.
The Internet disagrees with you on 2X.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034839/The-worlds-fattest-woman-700-pound-California-woman-enters-record-books.html [dailymail.co.uk]
Here's a 3X reference.
http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a703/esq0806wifl-114-4/ [esquire.com]
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The Internet disagrees with you on 2X.
How does finding a single example or even a handful refute my point that almost no one is that heavy.
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How does finding a single example or even a handful refute my point that almost no one is that heavy.
Because I've seen people who are heavier than me on public transit. I take up a single seat on the bus. These people take up two or three seats in the handicap area.
Here's another example: 5,000 super-sized people per year are denied access to medical helicopters because their weight.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/too-fat-rescue-more-heavy-patients-denied-air-ambulances-f6C10485763 [nbcnews.com]
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Because I've seen people who are heavier than me on public transit.
You've seen people 2x heavier than you on public transit? How many?
Here's another example: 5,000 super-sized people per year are denied access to medical helicopters because their weight.
They're talking about problems with people around the 440lb mark. That's not twice your weight. And from your link:
At Airlift Northwest near Seattle, crews start to worry about any patient who is heavier than 250 pounds and wider than 26 inches across,
That's
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You've seen people 2x heavier than you on public transit? How many?
About two dozen people in the past year on bus lines that go into the local hospitals. None of these people have muscle mass.
They're talking about problems with people around the 440lb mark. That's not twice your weight.
You denied that 4X people exist, so I provided a link. Then you denied that 2X people exist, so I provided a link. And, just in case you're being nitpicky, I provided a link for 3X people. What's your point?
That's lighter than you.
There's a difference between 250 pounds of fat and 350 pounds of muscle mass.
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You denied that 4X people exist, so I provided a link.
Yes I did.
Then you denied that 2X people exist
No I didn't.
There's a difference between 250 pounds of fat and 350 pounds of muscle mass.
You posted a photo. You ain't 350lbs of muscle. Hulk Hogan at his heaviest was 303 lbs of muscle. The 5x winner of worlds strongest man is 320 lbs. You are not them.
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You posted a photo. You ain't 350lbs of muscle. Hulk Hogan at his heaviest was 303 lbs of muscle. The 5x winner of worlds strongest man is 320 lbs. You are not them.
Look at my picture. I'm not a butterball. I have more muscle mass than fat mass. When I worked at the gym for a year at the gym to increase my weight from 325 pounds to 400 pounds, I had a lot more muscle mass than I do now. But finding 4XL t-shirts was a bitch. So I dropped down to 350 pounds and wear 2XL t-shirts. If you compared me with a 250 pound fat guy, I have more muscle mass.
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That photo is clearly shows someone sucking in the gut. It doesn't hide the big tits and rolls of fat on the chin.
I'm not sucking in my gut. I have broad shoulders and a narrow waist. I'm not wearing a weight-lifting belt either.
You might feel that you're in reasonable shape, but you'd be a lot better off 100 pounds lighter.
My average used to be 325 pounds from riding my bike 20 miles per day. When I stopped doing that and started lifting weights at the gym, my weight went to 400 pounds. Since finding t-shirts in 4XL was a PITA, I stopped lifting weights in favor cardio and my weight dropped to 350 pounds. That's my weight for the last 10+ years.
You are already making your heart work a lot harder, as well as putting a much higher load on your joints.
I've been 300+ pounds since I was ten years old. My last bout of hype
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This is a purely genetic game here because my mom's family all died (relatively) young and my dad's family are all dying old.
My father retired at 59-1/2-years-old because he was tired of construction work and all his older brothers kicked the bucket at 60. Unlike his older brothers, he stopped smoking after 30 years. He lived to be 75-years-old.
I think in an ideal world, you would want to lose weight.
In an ideal world I should be losing weight on a low carb and calorie-reduced diet.
In unrelated news... (Score:4, Insightful)
In unrelated news, men are 3 times less likely than women to care about their weight.
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No, they are not saying that men are more likely to be obese, they are saying that being obese seems to have a much worse effect on lifespan for men than it does for women.
In other words, given a man and a women who are both obese, the man is more likely to have a significantly shortened lifespan.
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It could just as well be that they set the wrong baseline for obesity for men and women.
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And their health, apparently.
Those Hungry Man commercials were probably the worst things to happen to men's health. How the hell did eating like a pig become manly?
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Because they want to.
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haha it's funny because women, eh? Right fellas? Wives eh? amirite fellas?
Fellas?
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haha it's funny because women, eh? Right fellas? Wives eh? amirite fellas?
Fellas?
I never thought of you as an SJW. But here we are!
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I never thought of you as an SJW
Really? Weird.
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I never thought of you as an SJW
Really? Weird.
Well, which of the 50 genders are you? I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
This doesn't sound like that big a deal, either... (Score:2)
I mean, seriously -- we're saying a guy can be moderately overweight and only lose an average of 12 months off his lifespan? How many hours of a person's life are robbed from trying to do workouts they don't even enjoy doing, or turning down the foods they really want to eat and enjoy, all in an attempt to maintain a weight that's lower than their body's natural "set point" wants it to be if they do nothing special to change it?
IMO, the *real* questions are about QUALITY of life vs. how many months we can
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How many hours of a person's life are robbed from trying to do workouts they don't even enjoy doing, or turning down the foods they really want to eat and enjoy, all in an attempt to maintain a weight that's lower than their body's natural "set point" wants it to be if they do nothing special to change it?
None?
It all depends on how you do it. If you try to go on a diet and gym spree and shed the weight you'll probably have a miserable time, lose a bit, flame out and then put it all back on.
I found myself a
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so i should stop trying to save for retirement or buy a house of any of that and just live like there's no tomorrow because there really isn't, i'm probably going to die before i ever get a chance to retire.
and ironically a large reason why i'm fat is because i sit at a desk all day trying to make the money to actually live my life someday when i'm old, and then stress eat when work makes me hate my life because it's about the only enjoyable thing i can really afford.
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Being fat is a choice. Own it AND pay for it, I say.
Not always. A sixth-grade principal tried to fat shame my parents by calling them into a conference to explain why I was the proverbial fat kid at school. He was shocked to find out that my parents were skinnier than he was. It became a big mystery on how two skinny people can have a fat kid. For three years I was subjected to a dozen blood tests to determine why I was fat. No medical explanation was ever found. After my mother passed away from breast cancer a few years ago, I came across some black-and-whi
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bullshit. if energy in energy out, you'll lose weight. DNA cannot stop physics.
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However the DNA can make your body more or less efficient than others, that and combination of our bacteria in our system, really determines how we digest food and energy we gain from it.
Some people whose body temperature is just naturally higher than others means there is extra energy being spent to keep the body at that temperature. While people with a lower temperature will burn less.
Then there are the calories that pass thru our system. We just don't digest them. So some people will be able to digest m
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As someone who had lost 60 lbs with Diet and exercise. Let me tell you again. We have different body types. I am stronger and faster than most people my age, my vitals are stellar. I hit the Gym 5 to 6 times a week and keep active... However I am not thin built, I will not reach a healthy BMI, as I took a Body fat scale. And took out my body fat, I would still be overweight. However, I need to watch my diet extremely carefully or the weight comes back (Fast). Other people can have Pizza every day, an
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bullshit. if energy in < energy out, you'll lose weight. DNA cannot stop physics.
But biology can stop energy deficits. In fact, biology's main design feature is to ensure that energy in > energy out on average, on penalty of extinction.
However, mind can overcome biological urges, either through sheer willpower or by manipulating biology (eg some foods may be miscalculated by the body in the energy in measurement).
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There are limits to adaptation. See also: Auschwitz.
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No broscience, cite studies please.
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The explanation is you eat trash and don't exercise.
I ate the same thing as my skinny parents and had an active lifestyle as a kid. Being a Gen Xer, I had no choice but to run around the neighborhood.
Close your mouth and do some physical activities.
As a young adult working at an Italian restaurant job after college, I rode my bike 20 miles per day for three years. My average weight during that time was 325 pounds. After I quit that job, I didn't eat spaghetti for another seven years.
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[...] there's lots of research showing that the regularly recommended starvation strategies actually lead to no benefit over time or even weight gain because of the body's permanent decrease in metabolic rates.
The NY Times had a great article on the study of a group from The Biggest Loser TV show, where their metabolism actually slowed down enough to require significantly less calories and they gained weight on a recommended diet for their height and age.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html [nytimes.com]
I sometimes wonder if that's my current situation. When I asked for a ten-speed bicycle for my 17th birthday, my father told me it was of money as the bicycle sit in the garage. I then spent
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Ummmmmm, so how much did/do you weigh 7 years later? Why did you omit that relevant detail?
As a teenager, 400 pounds. As young adult riding my bicycle 20 miles per day for three years, 325 pounds. Weight training and building muscle mass, 400 pounds. I'm currently 350 pounds.
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Yea I was thinking the same thing, where's the equality now?
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Epidemiological studies show that populations with low meat consumption have lower life expectancy.
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They lose the will to live when they can't get a decent steak.
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Epidemiological studies show that populations with low meat consumption have lower life expectancy.
Cite a non-industry sponsored clinical study showing this in a peer reviewed journal. And find one that's adjusted for income. I'll save you time--you won't.
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For that matter, the OP contradicts earlier studies that showed overweight (but not obese) people live longer than normal weight. This matches with the obesity paradox, where obese people are more likely to have problems, but when they do, they are more likely to survive than a normal weight person with the same problem.
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For that matter, the OP contradicts earlier studies that showed overweight (but not obese) people live longer than normal weight. This matches with the obesity paradox, where obese people are more likely to have problems, but when they do, they are more likely to survive than a normal weight person with the same problem.
For that matter, the OP contradicts earlier studies that showed overweight (but not obese) people live longer than normal weight. This matches with the obesity paradox, where obese people are more likely to have problems, but when they do, they are more likely to survive than a normal weight person with the same problem.
It's hard to respond directly to this claim, since you only cite heresay and not any sort of clinical studies with equally adjusted population controls. However, we are discussing obesity and not simply being "overweight". If you are simply stating that a slightly above normal BMI doesn't equate to higher overall mortality, then you are relatively correct since this class would fall below class 1 and higher obesity. The majority of studies however find a positive correlation between any increases in BMI (ab
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Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
Vergnaud AC1, Norat T, Romaguera D, Mouw T, May AM, Travier N, Luan J, Wareham N, Slimani N, Rinaldi S, Couto E, Clavel-Chapelon F, Boutron-Ruault MC, Cottet V, Palli D, Agnoli C, Panico S, Tumino R, Vineis P, Agudo A, Rodriguez L, Sanchez MJ, Amiano P, Barricarte A, Huerta JM, Key TJ, Spencer EA, Bueno-de-Mesquita B, Bü
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Re:Meat is the cause (Score:5, Interesting)
When humans stop eating meat and switch to whole-food plant based diets, the rates of all leading causes of death (obesity, cancer, heart disease, and pretty diseases of inflammation) drop. To anyone with a scientific mind, modern nutritional-science's data should pretty much indict animal based foods as the direct cause of obesity,
Before I reply further, I should note that I am NOT a major carnivore. I enjoy a good steak (sometimes a large one), but I actually only eat meat in maybe a couple meals each week. I've frequently gone several weeks without eating meat -- I just prefer to eat quality meat once in a while, rather than eating some industrial junk from a "tube" of hamburger every day.
So I have no strong reason to defend meat consumption, but I have been confronted with the vegetarian and vegan arguments from various people over the years, and I've spent a lot of time reading about the matter. For every study you cite, I could cite another that contradicts or qualifies the findings.
The problem with "modern nutritional science" is that it's trying to break down very complex systems and isolate a single variable within a huge set of possible human situations. Thus, there are literally hundreds of possible confounding factors that make the conclusions of your studies suspect.
Just for one major issue -- people who are vegetarian or vegan (at least in countries that don't have large religious populations that adhere to these) are disproportionately likely to have better lifestyles. They tend to be wealthier people who tend to exercise more and pay attention to what they eat and make deliberate choices not only to avoid meat but to avoid junk food in general, whereas the "default" person who eats meat in most modern societies probably also eats a lot of junk too.
along with the consumption of heavily processed foods.
And here you get at just one of the many possible confounding factors. Low fiber intake has also shown to be correlated with higher obesity, and that tends to be correlated with meat consumption. What if we did a study of people in the same socioeconomic status who shopped at similar supermarkets (often the pricier nicer ones with better quality stuff for the vegans) and controlled for the level of "processed food" (which itself isn't really the problem as much as additives like excess added sugar), level of fiber consumption, etc., etc.
If you actually compared "apples to apples" in terms of people and diets, just isolating meat consumption, would you see such an effect on obesity? I don't know, but I'd bet LOTS of money that if there is an effect, it's a LOT smaller than most of these studies claim. Maybe meat consumption is itself a contributing factor to obesity problems, but it's far from the only one... and I'm not convinced yet from studies that it's even a major one.
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So I have no strong reason to defend meat consumption, but I have been confronted with the vegetarian and vegan arguments from various people over the years, and I've spent a lot of time reading about the matter. For every study you cite, I could cite another that contradicts or qualifies the findings.
So do it. Cite non-industry funded research in peer reviewed journals to contradict me. Why just say you can?
The problem with "modern nutritional science" is that it's trying to break down very complex systems and isolate a single variable within a huge set of possible human situations. Thus, there are literally hundreds of possible confounding factors that make the conclusions of your studies suspect.
If you actually compared "apples to apples" in terms of people and diets, just isolating meat consumption, would you see such an effect on obesity? I don't know, but I'd bet LOTS of money that if there is an effect, it's a LOT smaller than most of these studies claim. Maybe meat consumption is itself a contributing factor to obesity problems, but it's far from the only one... and I'm not convinced yet from studies that it's even a major one.
This is the power of modern nutrition studies that are based on large populations, across long time spans. They are income adjusted, lifestyle adjusted, and fine tuned to the point that you can compare apples to apples. The Adventist Study is a prime example of this, since you have a relatively cohesive group with similar lifestyles, but with varying degrees of meat consumption from lacto/ovo/fish ve
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Low fiber intake has also shown to be correlated with higher obesity, and that tends to be correlated with meat consumption. What if we did a study of people in the same socioeconomic status who shopped at similar supermarkets (often the pricier nicer ones with better quality stuff for the vegans) and controlled for the level of "processed food" (which itself isn't really the problem as much as additives like excess added sugar), level of fiber consumption, etc., etc.
Given that meat has zero fiber, this 'correlation' is simply the outcome of the scenario. I just can't picture someone who eats a high amount of meat AND high amount of fiber - this type of diet is unheard of. It's like saying fitness is correlated with physical activity...err, yeah. There aren't many (any?) people who are morbidly obese and exceptional endurance athletes (although a better analogy is inactive person who's an exceptional endurance athlete). The two don't mix. The studies are pretty consiste
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Diet Patterns and Mortality: Common Threads and Consistent Results
Marjorie L. McCullough
Epidemiology Research Program, American Cancer Society, Atlanta, GA
J. Nutr. June 1, 2014. vol. 144 no. 6 795-796
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/144/6/795.long
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Nature isn't "mainstream" enough? Getting an article published in Nature is considered to be one of the highlights of a scientists career.
BJM (British Medical Journal) is the premier nutritional science peer-reviewed journal in Europe.
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition focuses on major unbiased clinical studies, and is also peer reviewed.
The American Diabetes Assocation should b
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>On the other have to add physical exercise to your already loaded work / family routine, in addition to having to deprive yourself of delicious food
Ack! Noo! you said the D word! Glad to see you stepped back from that abyss. When I was a child, My family were proto-foodies before it was even a thing. Fresh food direct from the farm when at all possible, Lettuce from the garden so fresh and tasty, you could enjoy it with only a bit of vinegar, a dash of oil and some satl and fresh ground pepper. Sometimes with fiddlehead ferns on top. Charcuterie made with real meats - nothing like a smoked sausage made from prime pork butt and not floor sweepings. Ven
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The last 20 years.
BMI is antiquated as a measure of health because it completely ignores body composition.
Despite this being pointed out hundreds upon hundreds of times we see more studies like this that say that men who are more than certain height to weight ratio (IE what BMI is.. it is a quotient of weight to height.) Are more likely to die.. they don't say from what though.. layers of obfuscation.
So they are telling me that someone who is 6 ft 2 and 230 pounds at 5% body fat is unhealthy ? I don't think they can draw parallels between that guy and say a 200 pound 5 ft 5 guy with 40% body fat.. They are ignoring nuance upon nuance.
I'm sure they're perfectly aware of the limitations of BMI. It's an imperfect measure but really cheap and easy to measure. Sure it misrepresents the guy who is "6 ft 2 and 230 pounds at 5% body fat", but those people are extremely rare and can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis or simply ignored without invalidating the broader conclusions.
This is not a major mystery though we don't have it all figured out for everyone in every shape and condition with every disease and genetic combination possible , but we know the general rules of the game and you cannot articulate it with just a BMI or weight number, the answer has more to it than that..
Well these researchers cleared up part of the mystery, obesity is an extra risk factor if you're male.
I suspect this has to do with the fact that males tend to dispro
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BMI is antiquated as a measure of health because it completely ignores body composition.
As a weight-lifter, I am very well aware of the limitations of the BMI since it declares everyone with a lot of muscle mass "overweight" or even "obese" even if their body-fat is in the low single digits.
But it is an excellent tool for studying populations, where the odd individual to whom it does not apply are averaged out of importance. This is what the BMI was developed for, and it is well proven in this role.
It is a useful tool for assessing the health status of most individuals also, but not everyone.