Our Hidden Neanderthal DNA May Increase Risk of Allergies, Depression (sciencemag.org) 134
sciencehabit writes: Depressed? Your inner Neanderthal may be to blame. Modern humans met and mated with these archaic people in Europe or Asia about 50,000 years ago, and researchers have long suspected that genes picked up in these trysts might be shaping health and well-being today. Now, a study in the current issue of Science details their impact. It uses a powerful new method for scanning the electronic health records of 28,000 Americans to show that some Neanderthal gene variants today can raise the risk of depression, skin lesions, blood clots, and other disorders.
Is there a greater risk of micropenis? (Score:1)
Can anyone tell me if there's also a greater risk of suffering from micropenis? I urgently need to know!
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I am 3.7% Neanderthal (top 99th percentile).
Given that H.S.Sapiens and H. (S.) Neanderthalensis share 98.5% of the genetic material, it would be difficult to be more than 2.5%,or less than 98.5%, depending on how you see it.
What you probably mean is that you have 3.7% of the genetic markers that have so far been identified as being inherited from Neanderthals. Which is a completely different thing from being 3.7% Neanderthal.
I haven't tested my DNA, as there are large privacy concerns with the available testers (none I have found agree to destroying
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I'd love to have my DNA tested but, so far, I've not found anyone willing to do it and ensure my privacy is kept. No, you may not assign my DNA a number and throw it in with others without asking. If you ask, I'll say yes. But you may not do it without asking.
That said, it's probably likely that my DNA has already made it out into a test somewhere. I'm sure it got anonymized and sold. You give a blood sample when you enlist. You give a blood sample when you skip a few years and then reenlist. The samples ge
Uuhg! (Score:5, Funny)
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Don't worry, you'll feel better after bashing a mammoth in the head with a large club. That always cheers me up.
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Me help you.
*shoots Mr D in head with woolly mammoth bone*
How to handle unsanitary behavior (Score:2, Funny)
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Oh great, here come all the Denisovan fanbois!
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It's more than that. It's not just food hysteria, there are people who do get incredibly sick from certain foods. Peanut allergies, anyone? These people don't imagine swelling up and clogging their wind pipes.
Until recently, this kind of sickness was unheard of in Europe. There was no such thing as a peanut allergy. Now we got that, too.
We get sicker and sicker. And I wonder why. What is it that lets our bodies go apeshit over food?
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There's also the fact that until relatively recently people that were deathly allergic to things like peanuts either never had the opportunity to eat peanuts or typically died pretty early due to medical knowledge not being as advanced as it is now.
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Until recently there were no carefully certified allergy-safe foods, and no ambulances to rush people to the non-existent emergency room where there were no medical procedures to help. People with peanut allergies probably died quickly as children.
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Though I did read an article recently about babies not being exposed to enough 'things' was causing them to be more v
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Erh... with "recently" I mean "until the last decade or two", not "until the last century or two".
The older ones here might remember that we could tell the signs of allergies even in the last century.
Re:Never seen so many allergies in people (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps Neanderthal types just need more sleep. You know the further north you go the longer the nights are and hence evolutionary adoption to longer sleep periods. Not to forget, this whole work to make other people richer ethic is still pretty new evolutionary speaking, this versus hunting the morning for a bit, eating a bunch, snoozing a bit futzing about a bit with you stone tools and weapons in the afternoon, chatting around the fire in the early evening than nookie and sleep pretty early in the night. Wake up with the birds (pre-dawn ie bright sky sun still beyond horizon), rinse, well, no rinse unless the is a pool nearby and repeat, maybe much on some leftovers first, something like a 2 to 4 hour work day. Then a bunch of psychos got greedy and demanded the rest do their work as well and build edifices to worship their superiority because that will publicly torture you to death 'er' 'no wait because they were selected by the Gods, yeah that's right, they were the Gods chosen, so you should worship them and call them royalty. Perhaps it is not the genes on their own as much as those people did not evolve to become working in poverty slaves and that is an unhealthy life style and super fucking depressing.
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You are basically right, but you made the jump too fast in the timeline ...
Theory has it that hunters and gatherers were egalitarians, with each member doing his share, and no real hierarchy. The work day was like you said.
But then, humans moved from hunting/gathering subsistence, to farming. Farming led to villages, and villages led to towns, and towns led to a division of labor, and that led to social stratification, with the priests and kings at the top, aristocracy next, merchants next, and then the lab
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What keeps me happy is that I do remember from history class how feudalism was dealt with in the end.
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Add duck and dawn to that, which is longer as well, you get very short nights.
On the other hand, you get very long ducks.
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Long duck dawn?*
Darn it, now I've got to go watch a John Hughes movie.
*Yeah, I know that's not *quite* how he put it.
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*I* know no such thing. I know that the nights are longer in Winter, but *shorter* in Summer.
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Now that is a whole other question. Do we or do we not have the right to live like free Neanderthals, to live off the land as we choose and see fit. So royalty gets to choose and well, the rest of us either get killed or put in a cage should we attempt to engage in what is our natural born right. I mean you really do get the difference don't you or do you just consider the rest of us animals and you are the only true person. You seemed to have confused a neutral some what satirical anarchistic libertarian
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It's more than that. It's not just food hysteria, there are people who do get incredibly sick from certain foods. Peanut allergies, anyone? These people don't imagine swelling up and clogging their wind pipes.
Until recently, this kind of sickness was unheard of in Europe. There was no such thing as a peanut allergy. Now we got that, too.
We get sicker and sicker. And I wonder why. What is it that lets our bodies go apeshit over food?
My cousin and his father(uncle via marriage) both have severe(anaphylactic) peanut allergies. the son was born in 1968. the father in the 40's.
I was born in the 70's and i have a severe(anaphylactic) reaction to sheep meat. My mother severe reaction to strawberries... i know plenty of other people with them too, all from my age range but also older and younger.
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My cousin and his father(uncle via marriage)
This must be in the Appalachians.
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Or is our diagnostics getting better and we've more variety than we've had in the past?
I'm still scrolling down through the thread. I wonder if anyone will be *seriously* blaming inoculations, fluoride, or antibiotics. I'd not be surprised.
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And, what we call French fries are Belgian, so I am told.
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This is quite humorous! Americans eat raw meat.
Yes, but only beef. Never pork, lamb, goat, horse or any other meats. Certainly not poultry, as the US seems to be able to keep salmonella out of their poultry production. (Which is why Spaghetti Carbonara is almost never made with raw eggs in the US, and don't get me started on the atrocity called egg nogg over here),
And most Americans would never venture past beef, pork, chicken and turkey anyhow. Sometimes fish, if it's breaded thickly enough, fried, and with enough lemon on it that you couldn't tell
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Any single egg has small chances of having Salmonella. It's only at industrial scale, when they are cracking a gross of eggs at a time to make stuff that it's a problem. Especially as that sauce is sure to sit. Even there you weren't likely to get sick.
Not sure about where you live, so YMMV.
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Is that anything like Saigon beef salad or Beef Carpacio?
Americans eat raw beef from a variety of cuisines.
The American version is 'Steak, extra rare.' Which basically means 'Heat the meat to the body temperature of a live cow, then shine a flashlight on both sides and call it cooked'.
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"Example: In some cultures, insects are a tasty snack. In America, "ZOMG, time to sue someone a cricket is in my soup!"
I have tried these, and they're actually pretty good. Also carried at Whole Paycheck.
http://smile.amazon.com/Chapul... [amazon.com]
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Except peanuts aren't nuts. From a scientific POV the archaic term "goober peas" is more accurate.
Lots of things have warnings that they may contain nuts. This is due to potential cross-contamination during processing.
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That has probably to do with the fact that in the US most people consume processed foods almost exclusively.
And thanks to radical, free capitalism there are almost no regulations on what kind of shit to put in there, so your food is stuffed with stabilizers, preservatives, flavors, colorants, antibiotics, emulsifying agents, sugar, salt, caffeine, and cojones extract of mutant cows from outer space.
So once your eat normal food from mother nature, your immune system goes bonkers. If it doesn't contain any of
Neandertal, not Neanderthal (Score:1)
No "h" please.
Look, I realize it might be too late to fix this mistake. But please, let's try.
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Fail, you fat boche bastard...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Neandertal, not Neanderthal (Score:5, Informative)
The H is indeed a mistake. The link states clearly that the word originates from the German place Neandertal.
No, it doesn't. The link states that "Tal" used to be spelled "Thal" before the modern German spelling reform, which happened roughly 100 years ago. Since the word was coined in the mid-1800s, it originally had "Thal" in German too.
This got corrupted when used in English long ago and the H was added. The result is eternal confusion about the spelling.
No -- the English used the proper German spelling at the time the word entered English. Then the Germans decided to change their spelling of the word.
Additionally, the German word (with or without "h") was ALWAYS pronounced "tal," as most cases of "th" are in German. (See English words like "Thomas" pronounced "tomas" as well.)
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What it clearly states is that either spelling is permissible, so just fuck off.
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Indeed, it is too late to fix your mistake.
Re:Neandertal, not Neanderthal (Score:5, Informative)
Yes "h" please.
It's not a mistake. The word was coined before the spelling of "thal" (valley) was changed to "tal."
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I did read the article. It's TFS that has the wrong spelling.
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what you are really concerned about (Score:4, Funny)
it increases your chance of unibrow! [nocookie.net]
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I don't have that problem because I run Winbrow instead.
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So, my old green Chinese dragon [zimage.com] is from Netherland.
RACISTS! (Score:1)
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So which candidate is the Neanderthal Caucus going to endorse . . . Bernie or Hillary . . . ?
Trump, Busch, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio . . . ?
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Cruz, just listen to his campaigngasms...he's going to smote this, carpet bomb that, etc....he's a perfect fit. And Trump bores them.
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Well...there are the Neanderthal babes...furry little sex kittens that they are.
Hidden? (Score:1)
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I'd hoped I'd find you in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Given your prior links, I'd be surprised if you didn't know the song. For the rest, give it a click. It's definitely on-topic. I posted at the top of the thread and mentioned that it'd be good if Pope could see it. So, if you didn't click it the first time - there it is again.
Turn the volume up loud and get groovy. Get down with your bad selves! Dance and wave your hands around and gyrate those hips like the Summer of Love has ended and
Robosexuality (Score:1)
Neandertal or hybrid issues (Score:1)
Are the issues due to neandertal genes or due to two human races mixing together? If we look at cattle, a lot of selective breeding has been done and a lot of races have been created. It turns out that some races have race specific issues. However mixing two races can create new problems not present in any of the parent races. For some reason genes aren't always 50% abilities from each parent, but rather effects of combos.
Somehow I don't think the neandertals living during the ice age were prone to blood cl
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From what little I know, which is not much, Neanderthal is not what I'd call "fragile." All of my "expertise" comes from documentaries. PBS had a great one, NOVA, called something like, "Where did we Come From." It was a five part series and traced the various people back and tried to find out the paths they took and how we got to be where we are today - it was pretty good.
At any rate, the Neanderthal didn't really go extinct. I mean, yeah, there are none left but there's probably some genetic material left
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That must have made for some interesting study material. My only experience/education is from having a friend who's an Archaeologist, the little bit covered in various courses, and documentaries. I've always thought it would make a very fun field to study. There's some interesting ways to draw connections between the societies and interactions then and now.
I often will just let the recommended/next options pick my documentaries for me. (I pretty much only watch documentaries, as a general rule I'm not reall
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"so Neandertals are part of our evolution"
No, they aren't.
"not a separate evolutionary path."
Yes, they are.
Review your sources.
Up-Sides? (Score:1)
There may be some upsides to their DNA that we don't yet know about. Diseases and extreme problems are better understood because that's what medical experts are expected to focus on. But there could also be some nice traits we picked up from them such that they counter the negative traits enough to survive in our genome.
And the down-sides of them may only show up in some people. That is, they depend on combinations of other genes to manifest themselves.
Which way gene flow? (Score:2)
genes picked up in these trysts
I've recently read a couple of more popular articles on Neanderthals (including on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]). All seem to allude that there was some happy-go-lucky "free love" get-togethers, or intermarriage, with the "other" neighbors way back when.
The Wikipedia article however also states [wikipedia.org]: "While modern humans share some nuclear DNA with the extinct Neanderthals, the two species do not share any mitochondrial DNA,[54] which in primates is always maternally transmitted."
Or, translated to more modern hominid: The geneti
I don't understand. (Score:2, Insightful)
If you are so superior, why do you feel the need to mock?
When I see a developmentally-disabled person bagging groceries at the super market, I don't start insulting them. I don't go posting on forums about how horrible and inferior they are. At most I just reflect that they are filling an economic need that suits them.
I am pretty sure you do the same. But why only mock black people, and not developmentally-disabled people? My best guess is its because you aren't assured of your superiority over blacks,
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As far as evolution is concerned only fecundity matters, and everything above your hips is there acting in a support role to your gonads.