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Don't Hate Perky Morning People: It Might Be Their DNA's Fault. (arstechnica.com) 110

New submitter Striek writes: Aggregated genome data from 23andme.com was analyzed and published in Nature magazine, and now further evidence has been added to the belief that being a morning person or a night owl is wired in our DNA. It's not the first time such research has been published, either. So those of us who work late into the night and prefer to rise at noon, much to the chagrin of our partners, can point to our DNA as the reason, not our lazy habits.
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Don't Hate Perky Morning People: It Might Be Their DNA's Fault.

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  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:29PM (#51442053)
    Move.
    • Move.

      I'm pretty sure people start work around 8 or 9 no matter what time zone you are in...

      • Many aerospace and other companies with East and West coast offices start their West coast shifts at 7:00 or 7:30 am so that the workers are working at approximately the same time.

        I worked for Hamilton Sundstrand for 15 years and in CA we worked 9/80 schedules, 7:00 am to 4:30 pm.

    • Changing time zones is only a temporary fix. My body's internal clock seems to be set for a 25 hour day. The early riser's internal clock seems to be set for a 23 hour day. I'm slow to get up but can work well into the night. They get up early, but crash sometimes before it's even dark outside.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    If someone's DNA is what makes them bad, then that is absolutely a reason why they are unsalvageable and should be killed immediately.

    • by Falos ( 2905315 )
      >If someone's DNA is what makes them bad
      So is this about the article's two pools? If so you forgot to actually say which one is "bad".

      If so, it would also probably be good to substantiate the choice a little so people don't think you're a ranting dumbass. Objectively, at that point. Which means I just let this point (a eugenics demand) fly as "arguably valid opinion".
    • Hopefully it's a recessive gene and 'morning people' will just die out eventually.
  • by MrKrillls ( 3858631 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:41PM (#51442109)

    I hate their DNA.

  • backwards premise (Score:5, Informative)

    by ThorGod ( 456163 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:42PM (#51442117) Journal

    In my experience it's the "morning people" that are judgey against non-morning people. It seems like it should be morning people that shouldn't hold their genes as "superior"

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:54PM (#51442233)

      Agreed. I'll stop hating them when they stop requiring everything to be done in the morning and when working an extra 3 hours is considered better than coming in 20 minutes earlier and goofing off for 40 minutes.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Seriously. If you are the first person through the door every morning, that's great for you. Please don't complain about how other people choose to structure their day. Punctuality is a small part of work.

    • "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays."

      http://big.assets.huffingtonpo... [huffingtonpost.com]

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      I think the hate flows both ways.

    • I don't think anybody is a morning person. I think a lot of people drag themselves out of bed because they have shizz to do. the difference between them and others is that others don't drag themselves out of bed.

      • by hene ( 866198 )

        I don't think anybody is a morning person. I think a lot of people drag themselves out of bed because they have shizz to do. the difference between them and others is that others don't drag themselves out of bed.

        Cleaning my living habits made me a morning person. Not bragging, just saying. I just naturally started waking up earlier and going to bed earlier too. I do not feel superior to others. Stupidity, on other hand, appear in both groups. We all have equal amount of hours in day, who cares in which order they get used.

        • What does that mean, cleaning my living habits. I want to learn more!

          • What does that mean, cleaning my living habits. I want to learn more!

            Not regularly drinking yourself into a stupor until you pass out at four am and wake up with a traffic cone on your head in a pool of your own urine, I imagine.

            Morning people are generally boring bastards. They actually choose to start meetings at ridiculous times like 8am, and ruin things for the rest of us.

          • by hene ( 866198 )
            Well, I sometimes tend to over do things and it is hard to say what affects the most. I don't drink or smoke at all (I did before) and I eat super healthy now. I try to follow all the health regulations and make sure I get all the micronutrients. I guess pushing yourself to the limits might be the biggest thing, mentally and physically. The extreme stress combined with adequate rest and meditation. It has been something like ten years since I started to clean my act, little by little it started to happen.

            Morning people are generally boring bastards.

            Y

            • Morning people are generally boring bastards.

              Yes we are! Before I was interesting but the world felt boring, now I'm boring but the world feels interesting.

              Thank you for this, it is actually quite inspirational.

    • I don't have a problem with morning people as long as my Wood Chipper is working and they form an orderly queue
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:46PM (#51442157)

    Us non-morning people don't hate morning people because they are perky. We hate them because they assume that everybody else should be a morning person too. Every asshole that suggests things like a 7:30am meeting is just rubbing their early-rising do-gooderness instead the late-riser's faces. They know you feel like a slacker if you suggest to your boss that it's too early for you. In offices with set-your-own-schedule, morning people also like to point out people who "show up late". "Geez, Bob, it's past 10. You're just coming in?!".... Despite the fact you stay at work until 9pm, the early risers who left at 5pm never notice or give credit to the people who stay late. To them they act like the world ceases at 5 in the afternoon until they come in again at 7am. I have so many minor knit-picks over this that bile is starting to form in my throat. I think I'll end.

    • The opposite is true also. Some arrive at 9am and ask those who leave at 5pm "did you take your PM off ?". Depends on the company, depends on the country, depends on the persons.
      • Actually people that come in at 9 SHOULD leave at 5. If you come in at 5 you should leave at 1. Americans and their belief that being on facebook or whatever else they call "working" while being at the office for 50 out of the 60 hours they "work" is actually a good thing. I'll never get it.

    • morning people also like to point out people who "show up late". "Geez, Bob, it's past 10. You're just coming in?!"..

      More like:

      Oh, good AFTERNOON Bob, har har har.

  • Ok, fine. (Score:4, Funny)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:50PM (#51442193) Journal
    If it's so genetic, I'll agree to drop the hatred and adopt an attitude of dispassionate eugenics. Happy now, Mr. Sunshine?
  • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:50PM (#51442197)
    Perhaps the answer is that people bifurcate because this allows each a better mating strategy; the existence of both group increases the possibilities for non-monogamous behavior, increasing the prospects of otherwise infertile couples of having children...
  • by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:51PM (#51442203) Journal
    Don't hate em. Hate their DNA. And they are full of it.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    The argument that DNA makes morning people doesn't work for me. When I was younger I was a morning person - I'd routinely be out of bed before 5am and down at the field flying gliders as the sun came up, having a couple of hours' worth of peace and joy before dragging myself in to the slavery that is work. A couple of decades later and I'm flat out dragging myself out of bed before 7am on a week day or 9am on week ends. Maybe that's more a measure of how much work sucks the life out of you.
  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:57PM (#51442263) Homepage Journal

    There are two kinds of people in the world...

    Those who are bright and cheerful in the morning,
    And those who want to take a wrench and beat the shit out of the first kind.*

    *proud member of the second category

    • by al0ha ( 1262684 )
      Beat the sh*t out of me? In the words of Harry Calahan , "Go ahead, make my day."

      Proud member of a tolerant society...
  • You don't roll out of bed at 10 am or noon. You do so at some time relative to external inputs such as light and temperature which affect your circadian rhythm. Temperature and to a certain degree light is under your control. Just like the time on your alarm clock. So set it. If you can't function until sunrise plus 5 hours, then get a light timer to turn on at 3 AM. Do whatever it takes to get up to speed for the 9 AM meeting. Even if that means going to bed at 7 or 8 PM.

    • by Striek ( 1811980 )

      get a light timer to turn on at 3 AM.

      Works great if you sleep alone. Not so much if your s/o is an early riser.

  • More free time DNA (Score:5, Interesting)

    by allcoolnameswheretak ( 1102727 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:10PM (#51442359)

    I don't know if I'm a morning person or not. What I do know is that I go to sleep late because I want more me-time.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Friday February 05, 2016 @08:00AM (#51445073) Journal
    I have always enjoyed sleeping in late and had trouble staying awake in the 8am classes. But finished college and had trouble showing up for work at 8 am. When the daughter came along, I had to get up early so that I could return early and take care of her. That sort of set the habit and now I am up at 5am weekdays even when I stay up watch the election debate till 11:30. And can't stay in bed after 7 on weekends.

    I don't think I got it through DNA. Mainly circumstances and habit. If at all there was influence from DNA it is quite mild.

    • Kids are certainly a system shock as far as sleep goes... I have either learned how to let part of my brain sleep while I'm otherwise lucid enough to function minimally intensive tasks or it is just what happens in a sleep deprived state. It makes my head tingle and I don't feel like I missed as much sleep as I did the next morning.
  • Correlation isn't causation, and what we now know about our biological clock makes the interpretation stated in the article ridiculous. Similar genetic discoveries often involve dopamine - anything that is more likely to key you to stay up, abuse artificial light and blow your diurnal hormone cycle. But in a generation or two we'll be smart enough to turn out the lights roughly when the sun goes down, experience much better health, and it will turn out that nobody was really a night owl (under even semi-nat
  • ...live with my wife when she wakes up PERKY and CONVERSATIONAL at 06:00....

                    mark

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