

Study Finds Higher Rates of Premature Birth Near Fracking Sites (jhsph.edu) 131
An anonymous reader writes: Researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health have published a study (abstract) noting that pregnant women are more likely to give birth prematurely if they live close to fracking sites. The researchers used data from 40 counties in Pennsylvania, in which 10,946 babies were born between January 2009 and January 2013. They compared the data with the fast spread of fracking sites across the state — thousands have been built since 2006.
"The researchers found that living in the most active quartile of drilling and production activity was associated with a 40 percent increase in the likelihood of a woman giving birth before 37 weeks of gestation (considered pre-term) and a 30 percent increase in the chance that an obstetrician had labeled their pregnancy "high-risk," a designation that can include factors such as elevated blood pressure or excessive weight gain during pregnancy. When looking at all of the pregnancies in the study, 11 percent of babies were born preterm, with the majority (79 percent) born between 32 and 36 weeks."
"The researchers found that living in the most active quartile of drilling and production activity was associated with a 40 percent increase in the likelihood of a woman giving birth before 37 weeks of gestation (considered pre-term) and a 30 percent increase in the chance that an obstetrician had labeled their pregnancy "high-risk," a designation that can include factors such as elevated blood pressure or excessive weight gain during pregnancy. When looking at all of the pregnancies in the study, 11 percent of babies were born preterm, with the majority (79 percent) born between 32 and 36 weeks."
Why (Score:1)
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Because profit. Duh.
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Why are we letting sensational news articles get in the way of rational discussion and though.
Areas where there is a lot of Fracking, are also areas where they are often More Remote, and have a poorer population. So they may not be available to proper health care.
Now the real question is Why isn't there serious study of the environmental impact of fracking. Not just from the oil companies, and not just from groups who have a tendency to be environmental extremist. There are enough areas now to measure wat
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...Now the real question is Why isn't there serious study of the environmental impact of fracking. Not just from the oil companies, and not just from groups who have a tendency to be environmental extremist. There are enough areas now to measure water quality and other factors and make a good measurements on what pollutants are out there.
Just a couple month ago the USEPA completed a multi-year study of fracking in several areas of the US, which found no risk to groundwater quality. Anti-frackers wrote it off that study claiming the gov't is paid off by the gas companies. Link to USEPA page: http://www2.epa.gov/hfstudy [epa.gov]
The media doesn't help because creating sensationalist news articles is easier and more profitable than attempting to accurately explain complex geology, petroleum engineering techniques, contaminate migration, geochemistry, a
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You're right! This conspiracy goes very deep.
Pot Kettle Black (Score:1)
I gugest that if you actually believe (Score:1)
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Obviously Pennsylvanians and Oklahomans are dropping dead because their diets don't include enough iodine, leading to increased uptake-
Oh wait. That was yesterday's crappy anti-energy 'study'. Next up: Wind turbines will make all birds go extinct.
Correlation is not causation (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder if they could model this with mice just to get a little more info on the effects of fracking pollutants.
Re:Correlation is not causation (Score:5, Interesting)
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Wasn't fracking supposed to bring jobs and prosperity to the area?
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Wasn't fracking supposed to bring jobs and prosperity to the area?
I good question if you assume the benefits from a health standpoint are realized in a very short period of time, and they are seen mostly in the limited area of the study. I personally think those would be a stupid assumptions, but I guess you just though it was clever.
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You also get a lot of people coming in from outside the area, so there's not always a lot of sense of community (sometimes the influx of money increases the rent so much that the locals ar
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Exactly. What they've done is managed to replicate this study that socioeconomic factors impact premature births [google.com] by finding something that correlates with low socioeconomic status and then not adjusting for it.
In the same manner, you could do a study that receiving welfare or jobless benefits causes premature births, or not having a second car causes premature births, or living near railroad track causes premature births, etc.... basically anything which also correlates with low income/living in the poorer
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They controlled for SES and other such variables. It's written in the abstract that you quote. That's why you do multilinear regression, for fuck's sake. What makes you think that your armchair bullshit analysis that you pull out of your giant gaping arsehole is in any way equivalent to people who spent years working on this? Do you seriously think that these researchers don't know how to correct for other such factors?
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It's in the journal Epidemiology which is one of the highest ranking journals in the field, so you can drop the bullshit quotes around 'published' to start with, and certainly around 'researchers' - the people involved are on RWJ funding which likely means they're among the most respected scientists in their fields.
I know it's tough when something that's true doesn't fit with your political agenda, and I know it's tempting to come up with a random excuse as to why this might be misinterpreting data, but pul
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I wonder if the follow up story finding error and fail will be touted as loudly.
Most papers are eventually shown wrong in their conclusions.
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Exactly. What they've done is managed to replicate this study that socioeconomic factors impact premature births by finding something that correlates with low socioeconomic status and then not adjusting for it.
You conveniently left out the part of the abstract when it says they controlled for "potential confounding variables," which usually includes income and such.
(Note that I've already posted a detailed comment that points out various potential questions we should raise about this analysis. BUT, I'd say it's highly likely that the researchers DID control for socioeconomic factors -- unfortunately I can't be certain because of the paywall -- but basically all studies of this sort usually do. If they didn't,
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If they didn't, they'd be complete idiots.
Or, more likely, just very well paid. The entire field of environmental studies is sadly rife with rigged studies, often because the researchers or the people funding the research "know" ahead of time what the result SHOULD be, and the results will match that pre-ordained "understanding".
Citation needed.
oh fuck it, why do I bother... The entire field of right wing anti-environmentalism is rife with "pre-ordained understanding". (sigh)
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You can't win. They'll just stop responding. Then they'll find the next story and go on about it some more. Me? I don't have the expertise to opine so I read and try to find those who do. I welcome rational discourse and long for good fact and data-based debate simply so I can learn from it. With the highly emotionally charged subjects this doesn't seem like one of those times where I'll get what I want.
So, back to poo flinging, screeching, monkey behavior for everyone!!!
I'm not touching you!!!
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Me? I don't have the expertise to opine
I'm pretty sure that's the first time that sentence has ever appeared on the internet.
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Yet, it's oddly one of those statements too bizarre to not trust completely. ;-) I mean, sure, I probably have more knowledge than quite a few of the people who opined. I know enough to know that I don't know shit. There's a time and place to shut up and listen.
As an aside, I figured that out (solidified it, really) when I owned and grew my company. At first I hired people and then still tried to do their work too. I'd hired programmers and I tried to keep my hand in. Then I realized, hey, I hired them beca
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Just one of many examples. [nationalreview.com]
You of course will not see it, because you cannot believe ill of those running your cult. But billions have been spent supporting climate research, data faked (which we know from leaked emails and more importantly source code). Sorry buddy, that's what you have signed up with and if you continue to associate with liars why should we all not assume you are one also?
I'll let you have the last response but I have no intent of reading whatever regurgitated mind-slime talking points y
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Thanks. They could be right, but did they control for additional Hulu and Netflix binge watching?
I am only half joking.
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Or could it be the general socioeconomic factors prevalent in these same areas?
I was wondering the same thing. There usually isn't a lot of fracking in urban affluent areas. It tends to be in rural areas that are much poorer than what you would find in even the below average income areas of a city. Plus access to medical care is considerably less in those areas too.
My family was from a rural area in Pennsylvania. My grandmother had seven children and was in her seventies the first time she went to a hospital or a doctor's office. The family doctor made house calls back then. But he
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I've got your tuber right here, buddy!
No, I have nothing to contribute. I'm not even sure why I'm in this thread.
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. . . and was the premature birthrate higher anyway, before fracking started . . . ?
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And are people likely to give birth pre-maturely attracted to fracking towns and want to move?
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Been quite a while since we've had a Battlestar Galactica thread.......
Was the same correlation there before fracking (Score:3)
BS Article (Score:2)
I read the article* and couldn't find anything that linked the measurement of fracking activity to the measurement of premature births.
There was a lot of warning verbiage about fracking and a lot of warning verbiage about premature births. They wrapped the two items together without any scientific backing and even stated that their research is still in "infancy" (pun intended?). They mention some points that it could be stress or something else, etc.
Basically its a prematurely (eh?) written article that i
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It's an interesting study, but just by looking at the methodology in the abstract there are a few things that pop out as mildly suspicious immediately:
1: No mention of prior healthcare records from the subjects studied. If a large portion of the subjects didn't have healthcare prior to gas and oil field work provided insurance it will definitely impact how the pregnancy progresses. There was also no mention of what, if any, jobs these women were performing during pregnancy, how many drank alcohol or consume
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Or the constant roar of compressor stations. They use aircraft turbine engines to run the compressors for natural gas pipeline. Or sex with drunken meth addled rig hands. Or fumes from diesel engines. Or fumes from burning oil pits. Etc.
Oil and gas exploration is a dirty and nasty business. The sooner we can replace it with something cleaner the better.
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Quoting the researcher:
“Is it air quality? Is it the stress? They’re the two leading candidates in our minds at this point.”
Its ok, just slowly take your foot out of your mouth....
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I would say stress is a bad term. But a reverse placebo effect. If you are told that something is bad, you will go out of your way make sure the symptoms are happening. A person feels that fracking is causing a bad health environment, so they may not take better care of themselves as they are blaming their issues on the fracking not their poor health choices.
Re: Correlation is not causation (Score:1)
No possible? Hmm, what about frackin chemicals?
What about them?
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I don't know... What about them? Do they cause premature births? Do we have evidence that this is the cause without making broad assumptions?
Let's have that discussion and let's get the data. I'm all for reasoned discussions based on facts. So far, I've mostly seen bias and hyperbole from both sides of the fence.
how many years do you think you can pull (Score:1)
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A couple points on "frackin chemicals"
1) Frack fluid mixtures are 99% potable water and sand. The remaining 1% are lubricants and biocides, many of which are food grade. So, less than 1% of frack fluids are chemicals with a potential to harm people.
2) The frack fluids are injected into GAS bearing rock, so fracking chemicals can't contaminate those waters worse than they were by the naturally occurring gas and oil.
Furthermore, no one is drinking water from private wells with depths anywhere near these gas f
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In other words: Oops, he got you there.
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Re:Correlation is not causation (Score:5, Insightful)
Right, no way that unknown chemicals entering the air and water could have any effect. And the fracking companies would surely hand over samples of the chemical soup they use to researchers for rigorous testing, it's not like they've repeatedly refused to even reveal the contents. Oh wait...
Science doesn't start with explaining the mechanisms behind unexplained phenomena - it starts with confimring that there *are* unexplained phenomena and then searching for the mechanisms.
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I am making the claim people who take medicine prescribed by doctors are statistically more likely to get better.
Now, as per AC, since I do not propose a mechanism to explain this phenomenon my statement is 100% false and cannot possibly be correct.
There you go folks. Proof doctors are shams and homeopathy is the one true way to cure people. Go buy lots of bottles of 10000C cures from this store I have no relation to whatsoever and am not receiving money from.
Re: Correlation is not causation (Score:2)
Nobody is suggesting that, however the common argument against this is "well there might be an unknown, so we should dismiss this technology entirely and have it banned".
If we applied that reasoning to every new technology that ever came out, we'd still be in the stone age.
And, more to the point of your comment about medicine, medicine almost ALWAYS has unknown side effects, and likely will continue to be that way forever. However of you always dismissed the benefits because of those concerns, then our medi
Re:Correlation is not causation (Score:5, Informative)
Science doesn't start with explaining the mechanisms behind unexplained phenomena - it starts with confimring that there *are* unexplained phenomena and then searching for the mechanisms.
This may be so. So let's look at the study's "confirmation" of "unexplained phenomena," shall we? Oh wait -- the study is behind a paywall, so I guess we'll just use what they tell us in the abstract:
In adjusted models, there was an association between unconventional natural gas development activity and preterm birth that increased across quartiles, with a fourth quartile odds ratio of 1.4 (95% confidence interval = 1.0, 1.9). There were no associations of activity with Apgar score, small for gestational age birth, or term birth weight (after adjustment for year).
Translation: We looked for 4 things, and only 1 thing was statistically significant. Even for the worst quartile (i.e., that with the most drilling), the effect was only an odds ratio of 1.4, though we have 95% confidence that it was between 1.0 and 1.9.
Let's note a few things here:
(1) Odds ratios are not the same as relative risk [wikipedia.org], which is the more intuitive way of understanding stats. If a study finds a relative risk of 2 for factor X, that means your chances of getting a condition with factor X are twice as much as if you didn't have X. A relative risk of 1.4 means a 40% increase in risk. Odds ratios are more complex and are used for various statistical reasons, but they often tend to exaggerate an effect -- and it's unclear from this abstract what the actual increased risk is. But it's likely less than the 40% listed in TFS.
(2) Statistically, they have a 95% confidence interval of 1.0 to 1.9. An odds ratio of 1.0 means there is no effect at all. Which means that there's probably a 5% chance the actual effect is outside of this range, possibly down to 1.0 (where there is no effect). The "no effect" line is drawn here where it's barely statistically significant (according to the typical 95% standard) for preterm birth.
(3) The study was a "retrospective cohort" study, which means that they looked at pre-existing data (rather than a "prospective cohort" which would look at a control group and a study group going forward in future). There are always dangers here in selecting a sample group that happens to line up with your analysis, since you get to pick the group you want. (Since I can't read the rest of the study, I don't know how "selective" they were in choosing which areas to study, for example.)
(4) The phrase "adjusted models" refers to earlier in the abstract where they talk about the various adjustments made for possible confounding variables and such. They also had a complex model for determining potential exposure based on "an inverse-distance squared model that incorporated distance to the mother's home; dates and durations of well pad development, drilling, and hydraulic fracturing; and production volume during the pregnancy." If that model is tweaked in various ways, it could probably completely change the study results. Anyhow, while such adjustments are important for modelling and confounding factors, they can be manipulated (often unintentionally) by researchers in all sorts of ways.
(5) They looked for FOUR things, but they only found a statistically significant effect for ONE of them. The chances of finding at least 1 out of 4 things to satisfy a 95% threshold is about 18.5%. So if they threw in random numbers here, at least one of these things would "flag positive" in nearly 1 out of 5 times.
(6) The abstract only reports the "worst quartile" as having this (already barely) statistically significant effect. Apparently other times of the year these effects were reduced (and possibly didn't even hit the barely statistically significant effect for the worst quartile)... which then leads to the question about how a 4-month window in a study may
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On the other hand, I'd like to make sure the findings are robust across other divisions of the data -- looking only at the "worst quartile" could potentially skew things as well. Does the correlation still hold if we look at the worst 1/3, etc.?
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Ben & Jerrys won't even release the trade secrets of their ice cream formulations to the public. Why should the frackers release their trade secrets to hostile scientists?
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And as soon as I can as easily avoid the influence of fracking chemicals as I can avoid Ben&Jerry's if I don't feel like trusting them, you even have a comparison that works.
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Perhaps, but can you get me a sample certified to be the stuff being pumped into the ground so that my study has merit? Otherwise it's almost useless - I can get a container of random chemical sludge to test from anywhere. And if we could get certified samples there wouldn't be a host of unanswered questions about the potential effects.
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Perhaps, but can you get me a sample certified to be the stuff being pumped into the ground so that my study has merit? Otherwise it's almost useless - I can get a container of random chemical sludge to test from anywhere. And if we could get certified samples there wouldn't be a host of unanswered questions about the potential effects.
of course there would.
There are certified samples of radiation levels around nuclear power stations, there are also studies showing those levels are too low to have any health effects, and there are also studies showing adverse health effects...
Same applies to wind turbines, there are plenty of infrasound readings, plenty of industry people saying the levels are too low to affect health, and plenty of reported adverse health effects...
the same unanswered, or disputed, questions will remain in every case - a
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aren't we past the confirmation of unexplained phenomena?
Needs to be looked at more. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not discounting the possibility that there may be a causal relationship here but from what I see of the article and abstract they only looked at data between 2009 and 2012. Is it possible that these sites have a preexisting condition that would cause higher levels of preterm birth? They should expand their data analysis to a larger period before the fracking occurred. This way we can at the very least see if there is a stronger correlation here and move forward.
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I suspect now that they have what they were looking for, they will claim the Science is Settled.
Next comes the Legislation!
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Re:Correlation vs cause (Score:5, Informative)
Sigh, I suspect they have as much or better clue than you do. It's entirely possible that there is no causal effect. Their study doesn't say there's a causal effect, it's says there's a correlated effect. Even the referenced press release states: "The researchers found that living in the most active quartile of drilling and production activity was associated with a 40 percent increase in the likelihood of a woman giving birth before 37 weeks of gestation."
Stop viewing science press releases through the filter of whether it conforms to your world view or your superficial understanding of correlation and causation. That whole correlation isn't causation crap is becoming a mantra around here. People parroting it without really understanding what it means or doesn't mean or whether it even f'ing applies to the article in question.
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Another slashdotter who passes political judgment without RTFA. The FA doesn't say it proved anything. That's all you.
Hint (Score:1)
Hint: If you're going to argue that fracking is safe or even actually good for health, you can pick plenty of arguments from yesterday's discussion [slashdot.org].
I mean, if the arguments dismissing your favorite source of cheap energy as being the cause of 20x-50x higher rates in some health issue are working, they certainly should work even better for 30%-40% increases, right ?
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Oh Shit!!!
I just had French Fries yesterday.
I am sooo fucked. Should I delete all my porn so save my kids from being shocked?
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Right. And, this just in... Study finds 65% those involved in fatal auto accidents ate French Fries in the week before the accident :-/
Give me a break.
...and a special survey shows that 98% of slashdot readers think that writing "correlation!=causation" completely undermines the validity of any paper not using pure deductive reasoning.
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No word on this (Score:2)
I suppose fracking can happen at random places. However, most of the land area in the US is characterized by lower than average socioeconomic status, as expressed on a per capita basis, for the simple reasons that cities tend to have higher population and higher per capita income. This way, even a random site selection leads to a bias in the welfare of the neighboring population. Add to this that fracking is more restricted in and around large cities.
While the study may have accounted for these factors, the
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I suppose fracking can happen at random places.
No. It can only happen at suitable sites.
However, most of the land area in the US is characterized by lower than average socioeconomic status, as expressed on a per capita basis,
Averages are not that interesting, medians are more useful. The extreme outliers (on the high end only) disturb the graph too badly.
Premature births cause fracking! (Score:1)
If you want to stop the spread of fracking, you need to convince these women to carry their children full term.
Cause of Effect (Score:4, Interesting)
Does fracking cause this, or do poor people with already statistically bad health outcomes live near fracking sites?
It's not as if Millionaires with nice health insurance live on top of fracking sites.
Like the doctors say (Score:2)
No credibility left at all (Score:1)
But that won't stop the lawyers from driving in their expensive automobiles to the courthouse to file the law suit and it won't stop the charlatan 'researches' from getting paid big money to testif
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$$$$$$$$
Yes, I realize that the entire paper was a coded message that read "give us a bigger budget, please, or we are going to prevent your business from growing at the rate that it is currently growing, with nothing more than our 'correlation is causation' argument".
I guess I was too subtle in my jab at them to work smarter (i.e.: with a smaller budget), rather than harder (i.e.: with a huge budget).