High-Fat, High-Sugar Diet Can Lead To Cognitive Decline 244
An anonymous reader writes: Researchers from Oregon State University have completed a study into how the sugar and fat content of a diet relates to cognitive flexibility. They found that diets with high amounts of either led to a decline in cognitive function. "This effect was most serious on the high-sugar diet, which also showed an impairment of early learning for both long-term and short-term memory." After four weeks on a high-fat or high-sugar diet, the performance of mice on various mental and physical tests started dropping. One of the scientists, Kathy Magnusson, said, "We've known for a while that too much fat and sugar are not good for you. This work suggests that fat and sugar are altering your healthy bacterial systems, and that's one of the reasons those foods aren't good for you. It's not just the food that could be influencing your brain, but an interaction between the food and microbial changes."
High fat? (Score:3, Insightful)
What’s often referred to as the “Western diet,” or foods that are high in fat, sugars and simple carbohydrates, has been linked to a range of chronic illnesses in the United States, including the obesity epidemic and an increased incidence of Alzheimer’s disease.
The part about fat has being disproved in the last several years.
This is just one study. We'll see if the results can be duplicated.
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If they took the "Standard American Diet" and added fat, then yes, I can see that being a problem, but from the carbohydrates that are still there.
I didn't see any reference to how the tests were ran, so it is very challenging to properly understand how they reached their conclusions.
I have been running on a LCHF way of eating for nearly 2 years, with zero negative impacts.
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SAD is SAD for mice and humans. Lab chow is far removed from a natural diet for mice, as are the special higher fat or higher carb chows. LCHF will work very well for humans.
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I call bullshit on the study. Mice are designed to run on a grain based diet. Adding a bunch of fat or sugar is not really natural for them. This is a study that works as FUD. When the government agrees with the experts that we need remove the limits on fats in foods and that low fat foods are actually harmful, they can point to this study to keep people confused and sell some more low fat yogurt and snackwells.
Now if we stop talking about mice and start talking about people we can look at what the science
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Typical lab mouse chow is far removed from the natural diet of mice. The carbohydrate comes from sugar and simple carbs, the fat from industrial seed oil and lard. Lard is fine for humans, but it's no where near what a mouse would eat naturally.
Our bodies are rather adept at turning grains into sugar, and sugar is sugar to your body when eaten directly or converted from grains. They have essentially the same metabolic effect and are almost equally bad for us.
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Yes mice are a good animal model.
Since when is sucking diet Doritos and bottled sugar water a natural diet for people....
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Re:High fat? (Score:5, Interesting)
Enjoy a few decadent meals each month, and balance that with plenty of salads, fruits, and vegetables. Avoid the processed food poison.
Shite, you might even exercise once in a while.
Re:High fat? (Score:5, Insightful)
This and more.
I have switched to low sugar, low carb, and started working out five times a week, two days of lifting, three days of cardio with running 5K or more on the weekends and managed to lose 40 lbs in 8 weeks. That's over 15% of my body mass.
While the level of insanity that I endured for this is a bit much, I can attest to the fact that the amount of crap we add in American diets is excessive to the point of "we need to stop hurting ourselves"
The biggest guidelines that I have for myself is if it's designed to sit on a shelf for a long time, it's not designed to be consumed and carbs are great, only if you have a plan to burn them off.
Re:High fat? (Score:5, Informative)
Losing 300+ grams (11+ oz) a day is generally considered seriously unhealthy. Yeah, you started from a seriously unhealthy weight, but continuing a diet like that is a really bad idea.
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I was 250, got down to 210 in a zealous fit of diet and excercise a couple of years ago. I seem to have settled at around 230 now (still obese, I'm not sure that label is helping me). I have gone back to not eating well but I did at least find a sport and stuck to it, so some good did come out of it and I feel a lot better than I did.
What I want OSU to do is to come up with something that means I can continue to eat badly but not suffer the bad effects, it's not that I don't know how to eat well or that I
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If you're grossly overweight it's even worse! Only the most elite athletes can liberate and metabolize adipose tissue at 1/2 that rate, and so a morbidly obese individual losing weight at such rates is burning muscle.
Losing weight is far far easier than gaining strength. If the end goal is to be a fit individual and not just skinnyfat the easiest and fastest way is to lose weight more slowly and maintain the muscle.
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The job of government would be to enforce standard food labelling so that you have the information to make those choices yourself.
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so in other words it's okay to put poisons in food as long as you pretend to list them on the label
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so in other words it's okay to put poisons in food as long as you pretend to list them on the label
Why do you care how I kill myself, as long as I'm making an informed decision?
The lifetime cost of diabetes is around $85,000, so I suppose you might argue that my poor diet raises your health insurance premiums. The lifetime cost of a single knee replacement is around $130,000, so I would counter that it is 3x more expensive to be an avid runner who wears out both his knees than to be a diabetic.
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Why do you care how I kill myself, as long as I'm making an informed decision?
The lifetime cost of diabetes is around $85,000, so I suppose you might argue that my poor diet raises your health insurance premiums. The lifetime cost of a single knee replacement is around $130,000, so I would counter that it is 3x more expensive to be an avid runner who wears out both his knees than to be a diabetic.
The cost for diabetes is a lot higher than that, especially when the patient is older and requires home care. Healthy walks or bicycling work as well. And you're assuming someone with diabetes is less likely to require knee replacement surgery or are they more likely to have their limbs amputated? What's the cost for a prosthetic?
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Except the runner who has knee problems just starts riding bikes instead. The people spending $130k on knee replacements are overweight and put too much pressure on their joints.
If you have joint/tendon pain when you exercise, you're doing it wrong.
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Actually it's the high carb / low fat diets that put you at greater risk of getting gall stones. And yes, going low fat is a treatment for gall stones, but that doesn't imply high fat causes them. If you eat a low fat diet you're using less bile to digest your food, and hence more bile stays in the gall bladder which influences the formation of stones. See http://gut.bmj.com/content/54/... [bmj.com] for how high carb / low fat diets increase gall stones.
Coconut oil in my coffee (Score:2)
There's a difference between a high fat diet and avoiding fat at all costs. For me, the southbeach diet is a sustainable diet and for all that is written about low carbs, the real secret ingredient is accepting more fats in you diet as caloric replacements for carbs. While some fats seem to be better than others (e.g. Nuts) the simple evidence is fats 1) digest more slowly 2) satiate your appetite more that the equivalent calories in carb or protein and 3) metabolically don't produce more fat. The last
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Avoid the processed food poison.
What a dashing tin foil hat you're wearing today!
Oy, it's not tinfoil hattery. Processed foods have been shown to be less nutritious and healthy. Man has yet to improve on nature in this area.
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Processed foods have been shown to be less nutritious and healthy. Man has yet to improve on nature in this area.
Well, you can use nature to naturally process foods, such as fermenting them. What did people eat before refrigeration? Dried and fermented meats and vegetables.
How do you keep cabbage good all winter long? Make sauerkraut. Cucumbers? Pickles. Grapes? Wine. Etc.
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"The part about *some* fats has *research suggesting that consumed in moderate amounts can be part of a healthy diet has been published" in the last several years."
Fixed that for you.
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Enhanced that for you.
And in related news... (Score:2)
...Kim Kardashian has published a book.
I'll be here all week. Tip your waiter.
Seems Reasonable. (Score:2)
Actual Paper (Score:2)
The paper is here if anyone wants to cough up the cash to read it: http://www.sciencedirect.com/s... [sciencedirect.com]
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Exactly. And without open access to the paper we can't have a well informed discussion on it.
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Diet composition (Score:2)
Although I can't read (without paying) the study to be exact, most chows for diet testing mice are pretty standard. Although the claim is that a high fat diet was used, we must be careful to consider the type of fat used and that it's still greater in carbohydrate than fat. The types of fat used in these diets all seem to contain industrial seed oil which is not something any of us should be eating, and all are what would still be considered a high carbohydrate diet, almost all from simple carbohydrate and
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TL,DR (Score:2)
Reverse be true (Score:3)
Would switching to a high veggie low fat diet reverse the trend and rebalence flora?
It has been stated weight gains happen with fecal transplants. So different flora over time could reverse
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Nah...it's just the munchies (Score:2)
Maybe the researchers were smoking pot thus making them stupid and then got the munchies but to cover their asses they blamed the food.
Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. (Score:4, Insightful)
And i quote:
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
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Other people are more threatening to our survival than any animal on the planet.
If you think about it, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to hunt a woolly mammoth. Perhaps there was a minimum requirement to hunt the way we did. But maybe our current situation is the result of a runaway chain reaction of bigger and bigger brains so that we may better compete with ourselves rather than other animals.
The "whole dumb people reproducing more" meme may be true in some places, but in others, I bet that dumb peop
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Uhh durrrrrr (Score:2)
'ell I mus' ba dum az shit -- an' Ima keep gettin' stupider.
Really? Eat a BALANCED fucking diet and you will be just fucking fine. Food scare 2015... *sigh*
I love the morons that don't have Celiac disease, but OMG TH3 GLUTENS they are killing me!!!!
I have given up on not laughing my ass off if I am out and someone I am with asks for gluten free and I say: "Holy SHIT! You have Celiac disease?!? I didn't know" ... reply: "No, it just makes me feel bad". Whatever.....
Sugar, Fat to become Schedule 1 restricted drugs (Score:3, Insightful)
Recent studies have researchers concerned that pot use in the under-18 crowd causes cognitive decline. Since pot is a Schedule 1 (most restrictive) substance in the US, I argue sugar and fat must also be put on Schedule 1 since our Oregon friends at OSU have discovered similar effects in youngsters.
Once again (Score:4, Insightful)
Could this be that mice weren't hungry? (Score:2)
These kinds of press releases are useless (Score:2)
You need the full article -- the abstract at the very least -- to make any sense of a study. Press releases are written by PR flacks who dumb down the science to the point where it is meaningless, as in this case. What you need to make sense of an experiment are details and context, neither of which the PR release in question provide. This is the problem with PR -- it's not a discipline that's meant to help you grasp complexity; it's about coming away with a simple, carefully chosen message.
Even if you hav
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"Western diets are high in fat and sucrose and can influence behavior and gut microbiota. There is growing evidence that altering the microbiome can influence the brain and behavior. This study was designed to determine whether diet-induced changes in the gut microbiota could contribute to alterations in anxiety, memory or cognitive flexibility." http://www.sciencedirect.com/s... [sciencedirect.com]
Surely you can understand that much without getting your panties in a twist. It's not a public policy doc
makes sense (Score:2)
Honestly, it makes evolutionary sense.
Cognition is a high-energy task; the brain takes a massive proportion of the body's energy - it's about 5% of our mass, but consumes about 25% of our resting caloric consumption, and this does go up as we "think harder".
The *sole* function of an organism is to live and to reproduce.
If - from a simple organism standpoint - the "living" bit is effortless, ie you're not being chased by sabertooths and you're getting piles of calories coming in, why waste energy on brainpow
Correlation is not causation (Score:2)
Could it be that high fat/sugar diets cause decline in cognitive function and gut bacteria by two separate and unrelated mechanisms? It is possible that gut bacteria decline and decline in cognitive function are not related at all. It is similar to drinking too much coffee. The coffee causes the alertness and irritability not the coffee causing the alertness and the alertness causing the irritability. Sometimes the results are not a chain.
Another lousy study with an agenda (Score:2)
Odd... (Score:2)
As far as I can see, the study concluded that "too much" fat or sugar impairs cognitive function. Presumably the study itself explains what is considered "too much"; but obviously no diet can reduce both fat and sugar very far, or the majority of calories would have to come from protein. And that is very unhealthy. It is well known that deriving more than 40-50% of calories from protein leads to ill health and, in extreme cases, death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
So at least half of daily calories must
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Ah. OK. Now I see. When I posted the parent, I had only read the summary on Slashdot. I assumed the research was competently done, and accurately reported. As I finished posting, I realised those are not safe assumptions, so I took a closer look.
Well, folks, the study was done on... mice. Because obviously mice have evolved to eat the same diet as human beings, and react in exactly the same ways to changes in diet. Right.
Reminds me of the early researchers in the "cholesterol will kill you" racket, who did
So that's why... (Score:4, Funny)
So many people in the US South, whose cooking and tastes are high on both, keep voting against their own self-interest....
mark, wondering what the average diet of a libertarian is
Fats, Carbs, and Protein (Score:2)
What’s often referred to as the “Western diet,” or foods that are high in fat, sugars and simple carbohydrates, has been linked to a range of chronic illnesses in the United States,
I seem to recall also that eating excessive amounts of protein is also bad for you.
I guess it's time to start avoiding foods that are high in food.
Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:5, Funny)
Healthy food is tasty as hell once your palette has had a chance to get used to it again. All I can ever taste anymore with so much food in the States is either salt or sugar/HFCS. It's so fucking gross.
Pipe down, and eat your tofurky.
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I can't, it's out of stock at the store!
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You insensitive clod! I eat fofurky because I'm tofu intolerant!
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No, when your palette gets used to it again, it becomes bearable ("as hell" is quite an apt a metaphor, actually) — but not especially tasty. Ice-cream or chocolate will still trump "healthy" and an ongoing effort of will is required to stick to broccoli.
I'd say, the results of the study show, that we increase cognitive abilities, when experiencing shortages, rather than decline, when eating, what we want. Which m
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It certainly is up to the reader (myself include). The study offers the following finding: people with plenty of fats and sugars have lower cognitive ability than those, who do not. Whether
is a debate as sensible, as arguing about a half-empty/full glass.
That t
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No, when your palette gets used to it again, it becomes bearable ("as hell" is quite an apt a metaphor, actually) — but not especially tasty. Ice-cream or chocolate will still trump "healthy" and an ongoing effort of will is required to stick to broccoli.
Speak for yourself: tasty vs bearable is learned behaviour. I travel a fair bit, and the USA is a major outlier in what's regarded as tasty. To many (maybe most) Europeans, typical mainstream US food is pretty unpleasant - too much salt, too sweet, too over-seasoned, too thick, too bright, too colourful, too large, too in-your-face. That's why many products like soft drinks are formulated differently for European markets to match local tastes.
Personally, I'll take a light lunch in an Italian trattoria, a Fr
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Pasta and red sauce is healthy.
Roasted chicken is healthy.
Avocado is healthy.
Walnuts and almonds are healthy.
Sushi is healthy.
There's tons of delicious healthy stuff.
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It is not "cultural" — they just still remember famine, whereas the "golden billion" [wikipedia.org] has blissfully forgotten it.
Correct!
And even more importantly, our bodies haven't forgotten famine; that's why so many people have the propensity to store fat.
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but not especially tasty. Ice-cream or chocolate will still trump "healthy"
I've seen a whole bunch of people who thought just like you did, they are drooling and moaning as I walk past them in the nursing home. You can throw around your hysterical rant about ice cream but at some point someone is going to be changing your diapers.
Don't worry; you will be drooling and moaning too, soon enough.
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So, you expect the broccoli will let you live forever? Or just drop-dead some day without a need for anyone to change your diaper?
Actually yes, that is the goal. Not to live forever, of course. But maintaining health into old age, and avoiding "lifestyle" diseases, is part of the reason I work out and try to eat healthily. Besides, being physically fit makes life easier (not that I'm some triathlete, but I think I'm in better shape than most people my age). I enjoy a little bit of ice cream here and there and still love chocolate. I just don't eat the entire pint or bar in one sitting. I hit the gym twice a week and pay attentio
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Actually yes, that is the goal. Not to live forever, of course. But maintaining health into old age, and avoiding "lifestyle" diseases, is part of the reason I work out and try to eat healthily.
Exactly. Die quicker, not sooner.
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Sounds like most workplaces, actually. Except for the exercise wheel.
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This is why we need a basic income. Not as if the world will fall apart because ppl prefer to work on their own projects rather than some new improved popunder technology - now with more intrusive sound!
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It would be interesting to see what we came up with if a significant number of people knew that working on things they're interested in was a viable choice. You could also no longer use the excuse "but I have to eat" for doing unethical things at the behest of your employer. Which is why it will probably never happen.
Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, if all you seek out and eat in the US is fast food, or the lower level chain restaurants, then sure, that's all you're gonna get.
If you shop for and buy processed foods (the goop in the center aisles of the grocery store), again, yes, this is all your gonna get.
But if you take a little time and look around, VERY good food choices can be had. And there is really NO excuse for only having bad foods at home. Ever heard of cooking? (and no, I don't mean popping something pre-made/frozen in the fucking microwave).
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Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:5, Insightful)
If you shop for and buy processed foods (the goop in the center aisles of the grocery store), again, yes, this is all your gonna get. But if you take a little time and look around, VERY good food choices can be had.
It's not that easy. At QFC and Safeway, EVERY bread they sell is overly sweetened. The only bread I've found without too much sugar is Trader Joe's rye.
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It's not that easy. At QFC and Safeway, EVERY bread they sell is overly sweetened. The only bread I've found without too much sugar is Trader Joe's rye.
So what??? Bread should be a TINY portion of your diet. At QFC and Safeway it is trivially easy to find whole-food products: fruits, vegetables, whole grains, meats, dairy...
Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:4, Insightful)
Well...breads would indeed be one of the 'goop' type highly processed foods found in the center aisles I was talking about.
IMHO, it should be eliminated or at least made an extremely small portion of your diet. Try sticking to veggies, fruits and animal proteins. And yes, for some people I think a bit of dairy is ok. Just try to stick to foods that don't spike your blood insulin and for the most part, you should be ok.
If the label has ingredients you can't readily decipher, or pronounce, likely as not, it should not be something you want to consume.
Or, if the top ingredients include sugar or HFCS...you should likely pass that one by too.
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Buy the book Flour Water Salt Yeast and make your own.
It is easy and tastes better than anything you can get at a store. (but maybe not if you live near a real bakery)
Oh, and it is geeky fun... Stoichiometry, cooking by weight not volume, temps, growing yeast cultures in your spare time!
I spend about 2 to 2.5 hrs a week to make enough bread for a week, most of which I do while on conference/support calls.
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And I use a bread maker. It takes 2-3 minutes to load it up with ingredients before I go to bed, much quicker than walking to the local shop to pick up a loaf. I wake up in the morning to delicious, fresh, healthy, low GI wholemeal bread that tastes a million times better than anything sold in the supermarket.
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If you shop for and buy processed foods (the goop in the center aisles of the grocery store), again, yes, this is all your gonna get. But if you take a little time and look around, VERY good food choices can be had.
It's not that easy. At QFC and Safeway, EVERY bread they sell is overly sweetened. The only bread I've found without too much sugar is Trader Joe's rye.
I say this as someone who enjoys baking, but bread IS a processed food, almost by definition. I know that some people say "processed food" when they really mean "nasty stuff with chemical names I don't know." But a more consistent definition of "processed food" is something where the raw ingredients (even "natural" whole animals or plants) are significantly transformed and generally split up into multiple "processed ingredients" which are then further combined into a new food that has little semblance to
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But if you take a little time and look around, VERY good food choices can be had. And there is really NO excuse for only having bad foods at home. Ever heard of cooking? (and no, I don't mean popping something pre-made/frozen in the fucking microwave).
Not only that, but cooking your own food is way cheaper. I know somebody's going to chime in here about how they can get seven cheeseburgers at McDonald's or a large pizza at Pizza Hut for X dollars and that's a lot cheaper, but sorry -- you're wrong. Any fast-food restaurant even with a "dollar menu" is paying for the cost of preparing and serving that food, which is a cost you don't have if you buy raw ingredients from a grocery store.
Generally, for the same price to what I'd pay at a fast-food place,
This shit again (Score:2)
Absolutely! All that is required of you is TIME AND MONEY.
The majority of Americans' waistlines is tied innately to the fact they're being worked longer and longer for less and less buying power. This means they don't have the TIME to prep / cook relativel
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Yeah well, I'm sure I would learn to really appreciate the taste of dogshit if all I ate every day was dogshit. But that doesn't make it tasty to anyone else.
That's okay. If nobody else likes it, more dogshit for you.
Re:Unhealthy food is tasty. Healthy food is boring (Score:4, Insightful)
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I think you meant you'd eat it like Doritos if they added flavoring they way they do to junk food.
Or frozen, like Poopsicles
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When I used to eat like shit it was weird, there would be some unhealthy food that I thought tasted gross (such as certain kind of donuts, candy, etc) but if I ate it and didnt like it.. for some reason I was still compelled to continue eating it. Even though I knew it tasted gross, I was addicted to the high fat and/or high sugar.
Of course I would think vegetables tasted cross and wouldnt be compelled to finish eating them.
Luckily that has all changed now and eat a lot healthier.. Sure I still occasionally
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yeah the fat old guy in the nursing home who needs someone to roll him over, that's what he used to think.
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Yes. Even in their so-called high-fat diet, it's still higher in sugar than it is fat, and typical mice chow is sugar and simple carbohydrate. And mice are not humans with their diet.
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Newest studies show cholesterol is influenced more by carbohydrate intake rather than saturated fat intake. Eggs have dietary cholesterol, which has been proven for a while not to influence cholesterol levels to any real degree at all.
Think about the oldest people that are still alive and what they probably ate.
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Is this some kind of natural law?
Nope, not a law at all. Healthy food can be quite delicious. But you can't get it out of a bag or a can. Doritos taste good because they are chemically engineered to be that way, and then focus-grouped to refine the flavor. Fruits, vegetables and legumes are the way they are. It up to the person to combine them in a tasty way.
I don't think Americans eat the way they eat primarily because of the flavor of the food. It has more to do with ease, convenience and price.
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The issue isn't the taste of Healthy vs Unhealthy.
Fat and Sugar, use to be hard to get nutrition. Fats from hunting down animals, and Sugar from rare to find fruits, or rather dangerous to get honey. So our body was designed to reward for finding such foods, as they were hard to find nutrition.
However now Fat and Sugar are plentiful, so we can eat this all the time, so our body gets more of this nutrition then it needs, and really more then it know how to handle. However the reward system for such foods is
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No, alcohol is basically just sugar too... They have protein, and starches to fall back on... So basically, this leads to the same advice as they've been giving for a good long while. A reasonable amount of meat and fish, preferably white meat, and lots of salads, leafy greens, and veg...
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Now look up how the two are processed by your body, and alcohol's affect on your blood sugar levels, then reconsider your statement in the context of an article on how substances affect your body.
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Lots of *whole* grains, veggies, lean meats (or none at all), and fruit. It calls for low fat and sugar, not *no* fat and sugar.
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except you look at a lot of the big branded beef jerky on the grocery store and they are full of added sugars as well.
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You have to look for the right ones. The sriracha Jacks jerky is low in sugar and is one of my favorites.
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Nothing.... beats home made though.
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And you can put enough Sriracha on it that it jerks itself...
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Everything is so specific and oversimplified. The reality is, diet is complicated and there are multiple interlocking factors. Part of the problem is we know whats bad, but its what people like to study. The better question is, what helps regulate diet?
Fat is good, fat regulates appetite. I dunno about you but if I overdo it on fatty foods and someone sets a burger in front of me, it turns my stomach. Too much fat, well, its a very high density energy source, theres a number of issues with eating too much.
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Carbohydrates are also essential to the diet, particularly for the brain. Many tissues in your body are reasonably happy burning a variety of things, but your brain likes it's glucose very much. You can't just eliminate or seriously restrict a nutrient and not have negative consequences.
The problem is that many people have diets that are wildly skewed. They may eat too little fat and too much carbohydrate. Or too much fat and carbohydrate and too little protein and micronutrients.