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LHC Season 2 Is About To Start Testing the Frontiers of Physics 61

An anonymous reader writes: The final preparations for the second run of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) are in place. This week, it is expected to start taking new data with collisions at the record-breaking energy of 13 teraelectronvolts (TeV). There are a lot of expectations about this new LHC season. In one of CERN's articles, physicists tell of their hopes for new discoveries during the LHC's second run. "They speak of dark matter,supersymmetry, the Higgs boson, antimatter, current theory in particle physics and its limits as well as new theoretical models that could extend it."
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LHC Season 2 Is About To Start Testing the Frontiers of Physics

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  • On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?
    • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Sunday May 31, 2015 @11:51AM (#49809651) Homepage Journal

      On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?

      It could be "Shaka, when the walls fell!"

      A valid question, and I like a well-turned metaphor ("it was a wine red sea"), but wasn't there a Star Trek episode essentially mocking that sort of usage?

      When out president says something is "our Sputnik moment", the Tamarians would understand perfectly.

      This could be "The river Temarc in winter!"

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Sunday May 31, 2015 @01:50PM (#49810103) Journal

      On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?

      That's probably very unlikely. Michelson-Morley was testing a prediction of the best understanding of light at the time. The non-observation of changes due to motion through the ether was clear evidence that the best understood theory for light was wrong.

      Now we have found the Higgs the established model, called the Standard Model, has no more predictions to make: we have found it all. The problem is that there are some phenomena which the Standard Model cannot explain, like Dark Matter, and it relies on some amazing fine-tuning of parameters to have such a light Higgs (the odd of this happening by chance are about the same as winning a lottery 5-6 times in a row...and if someone did that nobody would believe it was simple luck!).

      The solutions to these issues involve speculation by theorists and there are multiple candidates. Supersymmetry is probably the leading one but if we fail to see SUSY in the coming run then I, and a lot of my colleagues, will probably start to doubt it as the most likely explanation. However even then it might still be that SUSY is the explanation but at a higher energy scale that we can reach and just a more-than-minimal variety of it.

      Personally the thing I expect the most for us to find is Dark Matter. this is based on two broad assumptions that cut across many different theoretical models: that Dark Matter interacts through the weak force and that it was thermally produced in the Big Bang. If these assumptions are correct then the mass of the Dark Matter particle has to be in reach of the LHC. However this is still far from any sort of guarantee: there are other models for Dark Matter out there with good motivation which we would not see e.g. axions.

    • It will be if it proves that dark matter does not exist.

    • by MouseR ( 3264 )

      Ignoring previous results on the Higgs Boson;

      No new physics/results from these collisions would STILL be a welcomed puzzle. It would mean that the expectations are wrong and thus indicate something is missing in the standard model.

      Science has progressed equally in the absence of proof as with validation of expectations. It's the discovery and the adaptation of knowledge that is more important.

  • There are no "Frontiers" in Physics. Reality is just what it is, no more, no less. You can't really have 'frontiers' if there is no subject to limit.

    However, our knowledge of these laws and of Physics is somewhat limited. So the headline should read: "Testing the frontiers of our knowledge of Physics". But I guess it couldn't fit in a tweet or whatever.

    In any case, very exciting times.

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      Physics is "the study of reality", so sure it can have a frontier: the borders of our knowledge. Or, as I like to think of it, the shore -- the bigger the island of knowledge, the bigger the shore of uncertainty.

      Metaphysics, rumor has it, was the title Aristotle chose for his book on the subject because "there not a word to summarize all this stuff, but it's after my book on physics, so I'll just call my book AfterPhysics". Typical sequel quality, if you ask me.

    • You are confused as to what physics is. Physics is a man-made invention, it is not reality and it could well be ALL of it is found to be incorrect. Thus it has frontiers, mistakes, misconceptions, dead ends...

  • If I stuck a weiner in the beam (not mine, one of Oscar Myers'), how long would it take to cook it?
    • Well assuming it takes a minute in a 650W microwave to cook your disgusting boiled sausage that's roughly 60*650=39kJ of energy, lets call it 40kJ. The LHC beams contain roughly 360MJ. The beams take roughly 90 microseconds to make a complete orbit (27km/3e8 m/s) so that is a power of roughly 4TW (=4 million MW).

      Now the sausage is probably only about half a nuclear interaction length (guess) so only about 18% of the protons will interact per sausage crossing and not all of that energy will actually be co
    • Wasn't this test inadvertently performed on a Russian scientist's brain a few years ago when the instrument was started when he happened to be hunched over with his head in the target area?

      Being stoic and Russian and all that, he survived.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I'll wait till it comes out on DVD.

  • All this machine will do is provide excuses to energize the call for the next, bigger, badder, more obscenely expensive collider. Gimme more power Scotty! When one of these things can fund itself, then I'll be impressed.

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