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Construction At SpaceX's New Spaceport About To Begin 57

schwit1 writes: SpaceX has begun prepping the construction sites at its private spaceport in Brownsville, Texas. The county has begun work on a road to where the spaceport command center will be, and SpaceX has established its construction headquarters in a double-wide trailer there. It is expected that actual construction of the command center will begin in August, with the launchpad construction to follow. The expected cost for building the entire spaceport: $100 million. Compare that to the billions the Russians are spending for Vostochny, or the billions that NASA spends on comparable facilities.
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Construction At SpaceX's New Spaceport About To Begin

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  • I don't see any point in looking at the estimated cost of a project that hasn't even begun yet.
    • by itzly ( 3699663 )

      Vostochny isn't finished yet either, so in that case, they're comparing estimate to estimate.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      I don't see any point in looking at the estimated cost of a project that hasn't even begun yet.

      What if it comes in on budget?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The bigger problem I see is that in the budget for Vostochny isn't just the bare bone cosmodrome, but whole supporting infrastructure, including city for 30,000 people. If Musk is able to build the same thing for $100 millions, that would be indeed interesting. However, I'm not holding my breath.

    • I don't see any point in looking at the estimated cost of a project that hasn't even begun yet.

      Speaking as someone who does such cost estimating professionally, I can assure you that EVERY project like this has the costs evaluated long before anyone breaks ground. A company would have to be insane to not have conducted the due diligence on every aspect of a project of this scale. They have to evaluate if there is a satisfactory ROI. They have to have some sort of idea what it ought to cost so that they can know how things are going. They have to budget the money. Of course there will be cost var

      • Speaking as someone who does such cost estimating professionally, I can assure you that EVERY project like this has the costs evaluated long before anyone breaks ground.

        Right, then in the case of projects receiving public funding, they subtract a percentage to make it palatable before presenting it. :)

        • Right, then in the case of projects receiving public funding, they subtract a percentage to make it palatable before presenting it. :)

          Oh they're much more clever than that. They'll tinker with the underlying assumptions, cost of capital, expected returns, net present value, and more. You'll find it stuffed with more BS than a cattle farm. Government budgets are notoriously full of bogus assumptions and outright fabrications because they know nobody who gives a damn is really going to read them and even if they did most wouldn't understand it anyway. Pretty much every financial projection you have ever read about is wrong - the only q

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Speaking as someone who does such cost estimating professionally, I can assure you that EVERY project like this has the costs evaluated long before anyone breaks ground. A company would have to be insane to not have conducted the due diligence on every aspect of a project of this scale. They have to evaluate if there is a satisfactory ROI. They have to have some sort of idea what it ought to cost so that they can know how things are going. They have to budget the money. Of course there will be cost variances but you can't even begin to manage a project like this unless you have some idea what it should cost.

        Oh, there will be plans. Realistic plans? Well.... I've worked in a supporting role to some fairly big projects and there's a few things that strike me:

        1) Huge projects generally have the biggest uncertainties. It'd be easy to think the opposite, the bigger the stakes the more sure you want to be that you're right but that's not really the case. While small to medium projects have some rather tangible goals under current conditions, the huge ones generally involve more conjecture on where the company, marke

        • Oh, there will be plans. Realistic plans?

          You'll note I never mentioned realism or accuracy. Those things are not always possible and frequently are dis-incentivized. There will be plans and financial projections but only an idiot would take them at face value. The ONLY thing that will be completely correct to say about the plans is that they will be wrong. Maybe by a little, maybe by a lot but they will be wrong.

    • Why are they building in Brownsville when a couple hundred miles away in New Mexico there's a shiny new space port that's not in use?

      • 875 miles from Brownsville to Las Cruces, which has no ocean/gulf into which to drop things that fall off.

      • by Teancum ( 67324 )

        Because SpaceX is using the New Mexico spaceport.... too!

        That facility is mainly going to be used for R&D testing of their recoverable rocket systems, such as what they've been doing at their Waco facility with the Grasshopper series of flights. At the moment, they are hoping to use one of the rocket cores built for a regular flight and doing the reuse testing in New Mexico... with the much higher altitude flight clearance they can get in New Mexico which simply isn't permitted in central Texas.

        Besides

    • by khallow ( 566160 )

      I don't see any point in looking at the estimated cost of a project that hasn't even begun yet.

      Construction is not the actual beginning of a construction project.

  • Billions of roubles doesn't count.

  • by OzPeter ( 195038 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @08:45AM (#49672163)

    This is not a spaceport.

    It is actually a secret ICBM (Intra Continental Ballistic Missile) base that is being built to defend Texas* from the likes of the Jade Helm 15 plans**.

    * Although if Texas has Chuck Norris, why would they need a secret ICBM base for defense?

    ** Jade Helm 15*** being the plans that were dictated to the chief KIO (Kenyan-In-Office), by the UN in order to suppress opposition when the veil is finally lifted off the global climate change deception. And I am pretty sure that the Illuminati dictated those plans to the UN.)

    *** 15 in base 23**** is 28 in decimal and Texas was the 28th state - so Iowa better watch out for Jade Helm 16!

    **** 2+3=5 and there are 5 permanent members in the UN security council.

    • by Mirar ( 264502 )

      Chuck Norris deployment program,

    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

      This is really very funny but the sad thing is that somewhere on the internet people are going to talk about this as a serious subject...
      I really hope that you are intending this to be a joke.

  • They are already building the system to make sure your luggage gets lost at least half the time. Sorry, it looks like your bag was accidently put on the 7:05 flight to Venus.
  • Comparisons? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The expected cost for building the entire spaceport: $100 million. Compare that to the billions the Russians are spending for Vostochny, or the billions that NASA spends on comparable facilities.

    Well, Vostochny is a 551sq km site. That's bigger than the city of Brownsville, let alone Boca Chica.

    I don't think it is prudent to compare them, the facilities are likely to be quite different in scope. You might as well comparethe cost of the Vehicular Assembly Building to whatever they build in Texas.

    It will be like comparing Grapes to Watermelons.

  • by jbeaupre ( 752124 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @09:03AM (#49672297)

    The tornado risk has tripled at the site. At least until permanent structures replace the doublewide.

  • by Mirar ( 264502 ) on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @09:13AM (#49672381) Homepage

    ...you have so many funny units to pick from over there.

  • So Spacex is making something comparable to NASA's facilities for that little outlay?

    Color me a little skeptical.

  • And this of course would be their anthem:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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  • If I could quit my job and follow SpaceX around like the old dead heads followed Grateful Dead I would. I've said it before but anytime I feel like hot shit I go watch some SpaceX videos and then I'm back to my humble self. Those guys are badasses.
  • Oh my god! The space port is to let them in, not us out!

    I would like to extend this olive branch and a hardy handshake to our new...Lizards?

  • in the desert. And it should be a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

  • Might add some nice fireworks to the South Padre Island spring break.
  • Why Texas? ZERO REGULATION. Hell, your fertilizer plant can nearly wipe out a town, and the fine ends up being about the same as a speeding ticket (as workers are as expendable as LOx).

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