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Laser Creates Quantum Whirlpool 59

Quantus347 writes: Physicists at The Australian National Univ. (ANU) have engineered a spiral laser beam and used it to create a whirlpool of hybrid light-matter particles called polaritons. Polaritons are hybrid particles that have properties of both matter and light. The ability to control polariton flows in this way could aid the development of completely novel technology to link conventional electronics with new laser- and fiber-based technologies. Polaritons form in semiconductors when laser light interacts with electrons and holes (positively charged vacancies) so strongly that it is no longer possible to distinguish light from matter.
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Laser Creates Quantum Whirlpool

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  • by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 18, 2014 @04:19PM (#48413131) Homepage Journal

    Did I get first post?

    Still, something tells me this is only a quantum effect, not macro

    • by Anonymous Coward

      No, but I can't wait for the jokes about reversing the neutrality of the polariton flow.

  • by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2014 @04:20PM (#48413137) Homepage Journal

    Polaritons form in semiconductors when laser light interacts with electrons and holes (positively charged vacancies) so strongly that it is no longer possible to distinguish light from matter.

    I thought the distinctions made already are already mostly ones of convenience and scale: matter is slow and heavy enough to mostly be possible to model as point masses, while light is fast, light, and numerous enough to be more convenient to treat as non-discrete energy than as individual photons.

    • by students ( 763488 ) on Tuesday November 18, 2014 @04:41PM (#48413303) Journal

      Matter has mass. Light has no mass. That's a pretty significant distinction. A polariton's mass can change continuously as a function of energy from zero to about twice the electron mass.

      The summary is a little odd. A hole is not a charged vacancy. A vacancy typically refers to a fixed (at low temperatures) location where an atom is missing in the lattice of a crystal. A hole is a mobile positive charge with mass similar to the electron mass.

      (Recently finished my PhD studying polaritons and vacancies.)

      • Light absolutely has mass. For what definition of mass does a photon not have mass?

      • Matter has mass, but not all that has mass is matter. There are several types of polaritons, and some of them are clearly not matter, even though they have mass. Phonon-electromagnetic wave quanta are clearly not matter. Moreover, you state that light has no mass, which normally I wouldn't disagree with, but in the context of polaritons, what about light propagating through nonlinear media? I think it's totally appropriate to say it is massive.

        • by Bengie ( 1121981 )

          Matter has mass, but not all that has mass is matter

          I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am having trouble finding a nice physics definition of "mass". All that I've found pretty much just says "mass is a property of matter".

          • There are two types of mass: inertial mass and gravitational mass. As far as we know, these two are equivalent.
            Inertial mass is the resistance to motion (change in velocity). In Newtonian terms, F = ma. In special relativity, F = dp/dt = d(gamma*m*v)/dt
            So, you can define mass as long as you can define a velocity and acceleration.

            Gravitational mass is associated with gravity. In Newtonian physics, F = -G*m1*m2/r^2. In general relativity, gravitational mass is equivalent to rest energy. Gravity is given by Ei

        • Sure; this article is about exciton polaritons though.

          You seem to be implying phonons are not matter. I would not call that "clear" at all. Maybe you should elaborate? Especially with respect to optical phonons.

          • Unfortunately, the term matter isn't universally agreed upon. Let's look at the definitions in wikipedia:
            1. Does it have mass and volume (occupies space)? A phonon has mass, and maybe has volume, but doesn't 'occupy space' because it is a boson.
            2. relativity, has rest mass? Phonons don't fit the equation E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2, because they have nonlinear dispersion equations, so it doesn't really make too much sense to talk about them at rest. They aren't Lorentz invariant, since they depend on the veloci

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Holodeck anyone!!!!!

  • Sharknado.....with quantum lasers on their heads!

    (Sharknado III should actually do that. Some military experiment using armed sharks goes awry in the Quantum Whirlpool tank, and flying, zapping sharks are everywhere. Sure it's silly, but so was Sharknado I.)

  • Just because you can't discern the difference between light and matter in this state -- this does not mean they are the same thing.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Actually, didn't the article perfectly describe a photon?
      http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/f/photon.htm

    • Just because you can't discern the difference between light and matter in this state -- this does not mean they are the same thing.

      Exactly, if you just move to a different state that has different laws, and maybe even a different definition of pi [wikipedia.org], you'll find that it's perfectly legal to discern between light and matter.

  • I'm glad it isn't named the Australian National University of Science.

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