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Russia Pledges To Go To the Moon 197

An anonymous reader writes: Russia's space agency, Roscosmos, has announced it intends to bring humans to the Moon by roughly 2030. Russia plans a full-scale exploration of the Moon's surface. Agency head Oleg Ostapenko said that by the end of the next decade, "based on the results of lunar surface exploration by unmanned space probes, we will designate [the] most promising places for lunar expeditions and lunar bases.
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Russia Pledges To Go To the Moon

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:40AM (#47982919)

    I bet Vladimir Putin isn't man enough to leave next month and travel to the moon, then plant the Russian flag on the surface of it.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:43AM (#47982943)

      It's not an Invasion.
      It's a humanitarian effort to bring supplies to the lunies.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        sorry guys watched iron sky with vlad now hes raving about moon nazis gtg my bad

      • Russia's space agency, Roscosmos, has announced it intends to bring humans to the Moon by roughly 2030

        In the USA, Astronauts WENT to the moon, but in Putin Russia, humans are BROUGHT to the moon.

        • by TWX ( 665546 )
          Given that Yuri Gagarin didn't pilot his craft when he was the first man in space, and at the time the consensus was that records for achievment in flight required the occupant to be the operator/pilot, your statement is more accurate than you probably realized.
      • Wonder if there are bears up there he can wrestle?
    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:45AM (#47982973)

      I bet Vladimir Putin isn't man enough to leave next month and travel to the moon, then plant the Russian flag on the surface of it.

      Wouldn't work. When they show the picture of him planting that flag on the moon while not wearing a shirt everyone will know it was photoshopped.

    • He would go, but all the extra Soyuz seats are currently occupied by American astronauts.

      • by SpzToid ( 869795 )

        ...[U.S. astronauts] who pay for their seats using United States dollars. Many millions of U.S. dollars actually. (Of course these seats were probably agreed to under some form of contract well before the spectacular and glorious Sochi Olympics started).

    • Well now he has to do it. And you know he's gonna do it shirtless.

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      Considering the sheer amount of failures of Apollo program before its eventual success, all while program itself was consuming a gargantuan ~5% of US GDP at the time, I would wager this isn't a one month project. Especially when you consider that baseline space technology like rocket engines hasn't seen much development since 70s.

      • by slashtivus ( 1162793 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @12:33PM (#47984847)
        NASA peaked at 4.41% of federal budget in 1966. That is nowhere near ~5% of GDP. Also what other than Apollo 1 disaster are you referring to as "sheer amount of failures"? It was overwhelmingly successful by most any reasonable assessment.
        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          It was in the end. But like the most successful space projects, it required a massive amount of failures to succeed. In space exploration, success generally rides on tens, in some cases hundreds of failures. It's part of that particular field.

  • by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:41AM (#47982927) Homepage Journal

    It's odd. We just checked, but there's some kind of large metallic object and a flagpole blocking the best few candidate positions.

    • Don't worry, those are just props.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:43AM (#47982963)

    Finally, the USSR is back! Going to the moon while the economy is crumbling, foreign countries are invaded and human rights are being trampled.

    • by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:59AM (#47983123)

      Going to the moon while the economy is crumbling, foreign countries are invaded and human rights are being trampled.

      Are you talking about the U.S. or Russia?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Isn't it amazing? An economy fueled by little more than energy exports, a population still in decline, an economic war with a bloc of nations whose GDP in a bad year dwarfs its own by almost an order of a magnitude... and yup, it's going to enter the moon race.

  • Lil' Putin (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:44AM (#47982969)
    Vladimir Putin: I wanna invade the United States!
    Advisor: Your majesty, that is most unwise at this point in time. I think you ...
    Vladimir Putin: Then I wanna invade Georgia!
    Adviser: Your majesty, as you recall we tried that already and ...
    Vladimir Putin: Then I wanna invade Ukraine!
    Adviser: Your majesty, that is already in progress as your ordered on your birthday ...
    Vladimir Putin: *looks around the dinner table for invasion inspiration* I wanna invade Turkey!
    Adviser: Your majesty! What has come over you? You know you're limited by doctrine to one invasion per year!
    Vladimir Putin: *pouts and looks out the window* I wanna invade ... THE MOON.
    Adviser: *murmurs quietly with other advisers* And, you promise this will be the last invasion? This will use up all your invasion credits, you know.
    Vladimir Putin: Yes.
    Adviser: Okay then finish your peas and we'll make a press release tomorrow.
    Vladimir Putin: But I don't wanna finish my peas! I hate you, I hate you! You never let me do anything fun! I wish I was never born!
    • by jez9999 ( 618189 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @11:16AM (#47983837) Homepage Journal

      Why did I read the Putin lines in a George W Bush voice?

    • Re:Lil' Putin (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @11:18AM (#47983863)

      A nice summary of modern Western propaganda, sadly and a good show of just far out it is. Soviet Pravda was closer to the truth in its analyses at its prime time than our media is today.

      When you consider that if Putin actually wanted to do what our pundits claim he wants to do, he would have easily done it. For example, Russian Army pointedly pushed all the way to the established border of South Ossetia and Georgia with incredible rapidity, pushing attacking Georgian forces out about as fast as they could flee and then the Russian Army stopped like it hit a wall, even through Georgian army's fighting capability was completely destroyed by that point and going to Tbilisi just meant moving the armour about a hundred kilometers more.

      Same thing with Ukraine. If Russia wanted to conquer it, it would have already, back in February. Considering that they didn't directly attack even after Ukrainians accidentally (?) shelled some towns on Russian side, killing a few people, or after a few hundred Ukrainian soldiers crossed onto their side only to find that locals just invited them in, fed them and sent them back, it's pretty silly to suggest that Russians "didn't invade Ukraine because they couldn't".

      The entire demonisation as "undemocratic" of the leader who enjoys more genuine democratic support among his people than most Western leaders are enjoying among theirs is telling of just how entrenched the ability of established order in our media to spread blatant lies is today, almost two and a half decades after the end of Cold War.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Yes, comrade. Western propaganda is truly the most despicable of all. But they have Coca Cola and Adidas, and we have not.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        My 2 kopeks:

        Russia "could" have done those things in the same sense that the USA "could" nuke Iran. It seems plainly evident that Russian aggression is being stopped not by the military might of Georgia or Ukraine but by the fact that Russia would join the "axis of evil" if they actually followed through with any such plans.

        Putin does want to do those things. And he easily can do those things. However, the expected political fallout from doing those things is sufficient to discourage him from actually
    • Your Majesty? Putin's not a King. He's not the ruler of a kingdom. Nor is he a Prince, not being the ruler of a principality.

      He's just in charge of a country.

  • by JudgeFurious ( 455868 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:44AM (#47982971)
    There's a reason we didn't go back you know.
  • by tlambert ( 566799 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @09:47AM (#47983009)

    "We choose to go to the moon in the next two decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they will take attention away from what's happening with the Ukraine." -- V. Putin

    • Finally! Will he also get shot in two years?
  • Moon lands on you!

  • So wait (Score:2, Troll)

    by kilodelta ( 843627 )
    They'll get there 61 years after American boots have been all over the surface of the moon. We can tell them been there, done that, got the space suit.

    And think - the Apollo space program came up in approximately seven years. The Russians are going to take sixteen years to do theirs. Best wishes! I wonder if they'll salute the American flags we've left behind?
    • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @10:09AM (#47983219) Homepage

      We can tell them been there, done that, got the space suit.

      And, they will correctly point out that you've not been there in decades and are resting on your laurels.

      Want to impress us? Beat them there again.

      Otherwise you're just reliving glory days.

      • We'll wave to them from Mars.
      • we already beat them there 6 times! how many, times do we need to "do it again?"

      • Waste of time and money, but a good way to drain an economy and help keep a people compliant with distraction and hardship. Heil Oceania!
    • Tell them that, and they'll point out that they only reason we went was because the Soviet Union was way ahead in the space race for several years and it took many years for us to catch up.
      • Tell them that, and they'll point out that they only reason we went was because the Soviet Union was way ahead in the space race for several years and it took many years for us to catch up.

        Many years to catch up? Seems to me we managed to pass them in just eight years.

        As to "way ahead for several years", if you look at the details, they were about a year ahead for several years. They stopped being ahead considerably before the aforementioned eight years were up.

        And what's with the Russians taking 16+ ye

    • by torkus ( 1133985 )

      'All over' is relative...and last I checked the US didn't even have the capability of getting astronauts to their own* space station much less the moon.

      It's pretty pathetic how far backwards we have slid in some regards. The /original/ space race took 14 years to land a man on the moon and now they're aiming for roughly the same time frame to do it again?

    • Re:So wait (Score:4, Interesting)

      by painandgreed ( 692585 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @03:01PM (#47986505)

      The Russians are going to take sixteen years to do theirs. Best wishes!

      Pretty much, but I doubt they'll actually go. Sixteen years out is a pretty long time to take. I bet they don't even up their space spending this year. ...or the next. Sixteen years from now will be somebody else's probably rather than Putin's most likely. My cynical take is that it will go exactly where all of Bush's talk in each Presidential address about going to Mars went, nowhere past the news reporters.

  • Great plan. Now all they need is 10 consecutive years of oil prices above $200/barrel to finance the enterprise.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Great plan. Now all they need is 10 consecutive years of oil prices above $200/barrel to finance the enterprise.

      Or... stop invading neighboring countries. One or the other.

  • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @10:18AM (#47983309) Journal
    Regardless of what anyone 'agreed' to 50-odd years ago, that's what's going to happen in the next 50-odd years, and it looks like China and Russia are going to be competing to see which one breaks the seal first. If the U.S. wants in on the party, we'd better get off our increasingly large asses and get moving.
    • If the U.S. wants in on the party...

      Party? A large empty fine-sand pit of nothing to do? Nothing to build with? In order to militarize the moon, they'd have to build everything out of glass, or move all of their military components to the moon. Although it's been attempted before, it took 7 failed missions. I mean, at least preparations A through G were a complete failure...

    • I agree, now that we've got the shuttle out of the way we should start investing money in reliable, reuseable man rated launch systems. Maybe we could get that guy whose making those fancy electric cars to do it!

      Maybe we should build a space station and man it continuously and learn tons about spending months at a time in space. I know, we'll talk to the Russians! We'll call it the "International Space Station!" It'll be awesome!

      You know what would be really awesome? We should send a bunch of rovers to
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      At the bottom of a gravity well? Check. Ages of warning that an attack is incoming? Check. Horribly fragile base where any crack in your pressure dome will kill you? Check. Something tells me the moon will be as militarily relevant to a battle of earth as control of the ocean floors. If you want to get spectacular, I'd rather go out to the asteroid belt and find a suitably big rock (read: not a dino killer, not just a light show) you could aim at earth. The timing had better be just right though, if you're

  • I can't wait to kill commies with a rave gun [youtube.com]!

  • by lazarus ( 2879 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @10:34AM (#47983459) Homepage Journal

    Seems like the cooling relations between the US and Russia are already resulting in a lot more spaceflight initiatives. It's a shame that we cannot "yearn for the stars" out of wonder instead of conflict and competition.

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      The problem being that none of the countries alone likely has the resources for deep space exploration. Some sort of cooperation will be required, especially as it became apparent with ISS that US has a massive lead in some technological aspects and Russia in others.

  • Sure, they plan to bring humans to the moon by 2030, but when will they come back? Better read the fine print on those fancy brochures..
  • First they're invading Georgia, then Ukraine, now the Moon!
    But seriously, Putin, if you leave Earth, don't come back.
  • by ArcadeMan ( 2766669 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @11:12AM (#47983787)

    The aliens on the dark side won't like that one bit. They made deals with the U.S.A., not Russia.

  • They could establish a gulag there and ship prisoners to it. Then have them grow wheat to be sent back to earth. And have a warden run the whole thing with the aid of a sentient computer named 'Mycroft'.

    • They could establish a gulag there and ship prisoners to it. Then have them grow wheat to be sent back to earth. And have a warden run the whole thing with the aid of a sentient computer named 'Mycroft'.

      Riiight! And lasers can whistle!

  • by Dega704 ( 1454673 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @12:01PM (#47984391)
    Because nothing spurs congress to action faster than a chest-thumping contest with the Russians.
  • They proclaim a grand goal for NASA and starve its funding.
  • Rather than a bunch of silly independent races, designate an interesting single area of Luna to accumulate missions and habitable equipment from all countries. Kind of modeled after Antarctic bases. Remember Antartica was uninhabited for 34 years between the inital polar races (1904-1911) and its first long term bases (1945). World Wars didnt help the situation.
  • by Control-Z ( 321144 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @12:56PM (#47985131)

    NASA will now get more funding and we will see more space exploration.

  • by k6mfw ( 1182893 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2014 @02:28PM (#47986135)
    For past 50 or so years, US says it will send a man to Mars in 20 years. For past 50 (uh wait, 30) or so years, USSR/Russia says it will send a man to Moon in 20 years. Like we will have fusion power in 10 years like they've been saying for past 50 years. And next year we will have Hover-Cars, including conversion kits for people with vintage '80s DeLorean. But then these days we do have Picture-Phones.
  • After they "went" to Ukraine, I prefer them going to the Moon than going to Poland.

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