SpaceX Cargo Capsule Leaves Space Station For Home 56
An anonymous reader writes "The commercial cargo ship Dragon left the International Space Station, and is heading home with nearly two tons of science experiments and old equipment. From the article: 'The unpiloted Dragon departed the International Space Station at 9:26 a.m. EDT to begin a trip expected to culminate just after 3 p.m. with a parachute-assisted splashdown in the Pacific Ocean, about 300 miles west of Baja California. NASA astronaut and station commander Steve Swanson controlled a 58-foot robotic arm that pulled the Dragon from its Harmony node port at 8 a.m., then released the capsule into space 266 miles over the ocean south of Australia.'"
Slashdown confirmed (Score:5, Informative)
Splashdown. Status below -
http://spaceflightnow.com/falc... [spaceflightnow.com]
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heading home with nearly two tons of science experiments and old equipment
nearly quadruple the load going up...impressive comrade.
to be fair, it was going to fall out of the sky no matter how much stuff was in it.
2 tons? (Score:1)
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Shut up.
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quote>Why would they use a measure of WEIGHT instead of a measure of MASS?
Ton is already ambiguous, but since it is a USA media article, its safe to assume that they meant what is also known as the short ton, or 2000 pounds. The pound is defined as 0.45359237 kg, so it is, by definition, a unit of mass.
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A pound is a unit of weight and can correspond to any kg mass, determined by the gravity of the place where it is being measured.
Weight is dependent on gravity, mass is not. Welcome to 5th grade science class
Which is why the metric system has separate units for mass and weight/force.
But that's not the case with the pound, it is used for both (sometimes, but not always more specifically as pound-force or pound-mass)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... [wikipedia.org]
The pound or pound-mass (abbreviations: lb, lbm, lbm, [1]) is a unit of mass used in the imperial, United States customary and other systems of measurement. A number of different definitions have been used, the most common today being the international avoirdupois pound which is legally defined as exactly 0.45359237 kilograms, and which is divided into 16 avoirdupois ounces.
Don't believe Wikipedia? How about the NIST?
http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/S... [nist.gov]
MASS and MOMENT OF INERTIA: To convert from pound (avoirdupois) (lb) to kilogram (kg)
http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/S... [nist.gov]
FORCE: To convert from pound-force (lbf) to newton (N)
The real world is not always as simple as what you learned in 5th grade science, when your teacher said "The pound is a unit of weight, not mass", he was correct and incorrect at the same time due to the ambiguous nature of the unit.
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You guys are just crazy
It is a mass that accelerates by 1 ft/s2 when a force of one pound-force (lbF) is exerted on it. One slug has a mass of 32.174049 lbm or 14.593903 kg based on standard gravity, the international foot, and the avoirdupois pound
So to avoid the confusion between lbm and lbf, you make a new unit of mass that converts to the other unit of mass with the easy to remember value of 32.174049! Brilliant!
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But that's not the case with the pound, it is used for both (sometimes, but not always more specifically as pound-force or pound-mass)
Theres a;so the pound sterling £ which is metric. It used to be Imperial (pounds, shillings and pence)
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But since pounds is only used in the brittish empire and because that have become so small by now does it really matter any more? ;D
Everywhere it matters we'd use newton and kilograms anyway.
Just limit the usage of pounds into the queens closet already.
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The word "pound" can refer to mass, weight, or currency. To disambiguate, terms such as "pound-force", "pound-mass" and "Pound sterling" can be used instead, but otherwise the meaning is often clear in context. In particular, the ton is defined in terms of the pound-mass (2000lb or 2240lb, depending on who you ask), although officially the various "ton" units are defined in terms of the kilogram - also a unit of mass. And of course, the metric ton is 1000kg.
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With spaceflight (and SpaceX specs) it is metric tons.... but still about the same amount of mass/weight.
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They should stop using the term 'metric ton' . A thousand kilograms is a megagram
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The term "ton" is widely used by many cultures and is a hold-over from earlier mass-weight units. If you want to call it a megagram, that is your call, but the widespread and common usage is still "metric ton" by both governments and especially industrial users. If you want to put on blindfolds and pretend that such units don't exist, that is your own problem and you will be laughed out of many conferences by being such a stupid stick in the mud about such silly things.
Go ahead and be a purist if you want
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"metric ton"?
ITYM tonne.
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And 1000km should be 1 megameter.
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True - that's the term consistent with the current SI definitions, but I'd personally prefer calling it a kilograv :p
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So people who drive cars, and therefore use public transportation less or not at all, should pay more so that people who do use the system pay less?
More likely someone doesn't know that there is a difference between a Ton and a Tonne, and figures they're just the british and american ways of spelling the same thing. The dragon capsule is rated to return up to 2500kg of mass to the earth, so it stands to reason that this is just a lack of pedantry on the part of the author.
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Don't normally reply to myself, but that was a Cut and paste out of another article here. :)
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I would prefer to know the circumference area in micro-hectares.
What, you figure they could reduce costs by growing space cabbage on it?
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So you'd prefer it if they converted the circumference from feet to square feet, then from square feet to square decimeters?
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Pounds are both a measure of weight and mass, and the USA Today article uses pounds (not tons, Slashdot did that conversion) because, for better or worse, the US population is more familiar with US customary units than metric units, and USA Today is marketed at a US audience (the name is a bit of a clue). NASA also uses US units for some mind-baffling reason (maybe it likes destroying Mars Orbiter [wikipedia.org] missions?) so the US units make sense in this story.
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People landed on the Moon with pounds, feet, gallons, and other "Imperial" measurement units. It is possible to do these things and not need the Metric system. Hell, they landed on the Moon using slide rules which performed most of the calculations and for those things that needed faster computations, NASA needed to invent a real-time operating system (something that didn't even exist prior to NASA's use of the OS).
Don't get me started on how silly the metric system is too. It has its use and is widely u
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The problem with metric is that some of the arbitrary base units are more difficult for humans to estimate and use. For example, let us take some common units of measure: centimetres are too small, decimetres are too large. Both are inferior for human estimation compared to inches. An inch can be approximated more easily using say a segment of a finger. Even feet are easier for a lot of people to estimate than metres (or yards). Especially for in-between distances that are neither small nor large. In
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The only real units IMHO are Plank units, but even those aren't useful for practical everyday applications.
BTW, you don't need to worry about unit conversions unless you are using different subsystems from different countries or manufacturers that aren't using the same units. It really doesn't matter what you are using even if it is centifurlonghs per microfortnights for velocity. While done as more or less a practical joke, the microfortnight was used by VMS in its timing circuits and used for various ac
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I don't find metric any more difficult to estimate or use. I use both metric and imperial units every day, and your message is the first time I've ever seen anyone saying a centimeter is hard to estimate. I find estimating stuff in cm no more difficult than doing the same in inches.
Where metric wins *massively* is when you're having to deal with using lots of different types of measures, such as estimating things such as power requirements, energy requirements and that kind of thing because the units are de
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That is two metric tons or in other words about 2000 kg. 1000 kg == 1 metric ton, which is also about 2200 lbs or roughly close to a standard "short ton".
But it still is measuring mass.
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Because nearly everyone forgets about the slug [wikipedia.org].
Some calculations (Score:2)
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The COTS program never even required hauling cargo back from orbit. The contract was strictly for sending stuff up to the ISS, not for returning anything (which is why the Cygnus spacecraft doesn't have re-entry capabilities). SpaceX threw the re-entry capabilities on as an extra and offered it to NASA,which NASA is certainly using.
That the Dragon is the only vehicle currently in production which is capable of returning more than a hundred kilograms of stuff from orbit (that is the Soyuz spacecraft, where
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No, the extra cargo that can be returned other than some cosmonauts is about 100 kg. Most of the life support for the Soyuz is also in the "orbital module" part that is left behind in space... part of what gives both the Shenzhou and Soyuz spacecraft its very distinctive shape and how it looks very different from the Orion/Apollo/Dragon capsules that don't have separate parts.
Keep in mind that the Soyuz and Shenzhou spacecraft have two parts: the re-entry capsule and the life support "orbital" module that
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The disposable service module on the Dragon is not habitable and in fact can't be serviced from inside of the capsule. About the only thing it really has is just solar panels... not even RCS fuel tanks or thrusters.
The Shenzhou and Soyuz both have habitable modules that contain food, life support, and even scientific experimental hardware (when applicable) that astronauts use when in orbit. It is a bit different than what the Dragon has.
Sure, both Russia and China are capable of building something like th
Re:Some calculations (Score:5, Interesting)
The space shuttle was $450 million per mission not including development costs. That would lift 24 ton and a lot of volume to ISS. That was good for building the space station but perhaps overkill for the maintenance. They are not even using the full capability of the Dragon spacecraft.
The Dragon will only move 3.3 ton to the ISS. If you only count weight by dollar this is more expensive than a Space Shuttle launch. On the other hand you will get much more frequent deliveries which may be what is needed now.
If you count development costs, each Space Shuttle launch was 1.5 billion USD. Viewed this way, the CRS program for Space X is just one shuttle. And perhaps this is the correct way to do the accounting considering that the 1.6 billion that Space X receives also has to cover their development costs. I would expect that they can give a good discount on future launches, should NASA want more than 12.
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Better than just discounting once development is paid off, actually... part of that R&D investment is into making the first stage, the Falcon 9 booster, re-usable. Currently they are single-use and amount to 70% of SpaceX's costs per launch. A reusable first stage would let SpaceX cut their costs by a tremendous margin.
It's really astonishing how much SpaceX is achieving with the budget they have. The space shuttle may have been a technological marvel in terms of capabilities, but it was unreliable, exp
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Should be noted that the capsule was physically full. It could have carried more mass but the average density of the cargo isn't that high so it would seem that it could've taken more up while in fact it took a full load.
When resupplying the ISS, it is not all about up/downmass. Physical dimensions also matter and some cargo is lighter than others.
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Most of the early flights of the Dragon (including this CRS-3 flight) have been flying low value cargo to the ISS. Mainly food and consumables (spare parts, batteries, a few laptops, and other small stuff) that if it was lost wouldn't necessarily be all that important. As you've mentioned, this is also somewhat bulky, but there has been spare room left over. That is why one of the surprises that SpaceX sent up was some ice cream (a very rare treat in space) and a few bags of snack food that wasn't on th
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No, that is $133 million per mission.
$75 million is correct for $1.2 billion for 16 missions.
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Now, that was just the launch, and that was almost 10 years ago. So, the price is at least 50% more (russian money has appreciated).
In addition, that does not include the costs of the progress itself. That is likely going to double the price. IOW, you are probably looking at 180M or so for
Spikey (Score:1)
> "from its Harmony node"
Man, Buffy the Vampire Slayer has some powerful fans.