Controlling Fear By Modifying DNA 105
An anonymous reader writes "The fear of flying or of skittering spiders can mean more than just a momentary increase in heart rate and a pair of sweaty palms. A hard-core phobia can lead to crippling anxiety. Now an international team of researchers says it believes it has found a way to silence the gene that feeds phobic fear via a novel mechanism of gene regulation associated with fear extinction. The notion appears to be that phobias arise from experiences that have left an outsized imprint on gene expression, and that undoing this can undo the anxiety itself. The study was published this month (abstract) in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."
I thought fear was a choice (Score:5, Funny)
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STUPIDITY (Score:2, Funny)
They need to get to work on STUPIDITY. Fear has it's uses.
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So does stupidity. How else are you going to get someone to go put their life on the line fighting to prop up abusive regimes in far off nations so that we can secure exploitative mineral export deals?
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I thought fear was a choice
No, Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. [wikipedia.org]
Who says that? Muad'Dave says that!
What could go wrong? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What could go wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)
Lack of fear as a child has been correlated with development of criminal behavior later in life: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/712468
While reducing the fear response could be useful as a treatment for a crippling phobia, it would almost certainly contribute to risky behavior as well.
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Probably, but even if you take aware natural fears like claustrophobia or fear of snakes, spiders or the dark you'll still have intellectual fears. Nobody naturally fears going to prison - okay maybe the claustrophobia or the prison rapes but not the deprivation of liberty as such, that's an intellectual thing because you've learned about the law where your rational mind tells you that if you do crime you might get caught and might go to prison. If there's a correlation I think it's because you become more
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A phobia is a lot different from a regular fear, and different in more than just a degree of fear. This treatment, if the research pans out, is not about removing fear but about fixing specific phobias.
I've got a phobia, and it is not like your general anxiety or misgivings about a situation. You can walk into a situation and think everything is fine and then suddenly freeze up. Sort of like going to the humane shelter to pick out a puppy and when you get there the sound of barking causes your palms to sw
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btw, if you actually read it, it reads nothing like a bad sci-fi movie.
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fear is probably one of our oldest (evolutionary speaking) emotions. how many other systems within body/mind could possibly rely upon it?
With something as fantastically complex and interconnected as the brain, altering it to handle a superficial manifestation of something as primitive as 'fear' couldn't possibly have wide ranging side effects could it?
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The Bene Gesserit found out what can go wrong when you breed fear out.
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Um yea, I don't see ANY potential problems by altering someone's genetics to remove fear. This reads like a bad sci-fi movie plot.
Your fear of having your DNA modified can be dealt with by a simple DNA modification...
Seems dauntless (Score:2)
Easier than that. (Score:4, Informative)
Simple feed the children LEAD. IT will suppress the fear triggers and make them far more hostile.
If you want to build the perfect warrior, then just do what the romans and the vikings did. Lead dosing.
Tyrell Corporation (Score:2)
Simple feed the children LEAD ... If you want to build the perfect warrior...
An interesting idea, but modifying "fear DNA" is a great step towards bio-engineering "warrior drones". Think Tyrell Corporation...
Western medicine at it again. (Score:3, Informative)
They found that learning to extinguish fear causes expression of a gene.
In common western medicine fashion, the important thing here is not that behavioural methods are effective in changing gene expression, but we can now remove the stimulus for gene expression (a persons conscious control) and package it up into a pill to sell for profit!
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I can see it now, being the office joke where every time the receptionist reads her horoscope aloud you have to change your pants.
Of all the thigns to do with DNA (Score:3, Interesting)
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Stop posting on slashdot. You could have spent this time programming.
(just because you don't think reducing fear excitation is a valuable use of these researchers' time doesn't mean it isn't valuable, or that they should be doing other things)
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Fear suppression by gene manipulation (Score:3)
Why not just be less fearful (Score:2)
I used to have an irrational fear of spiders, then I moved to a house with lots of spiders. Phobia cured.
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My phobia is getting worse as I get older. I didn't even have it in my 20s.
One of the problem is that I do think to myself that it's just a stupid thing and that I should act like an adult and not let it bother me. But then it does bother me enough that I feel the panic rising. When it's over I'm beating myself up for being stupid and not acting like an adult, with all of that fueled by the leftover surge of adrenaline.
Mine's not that bad, but imagine someone who felt they had to walk down the street to
Do you want Reavers? (Score:1)
Do you want Reavers? Because that's how you get Reavers.
good and bad (Score:3)
The good thing is that religion would end because no one would fear that Hell place that is crammed into ones head as a child, but the bad thing could be that we may die out sooner because we would not fear the bear coming to eat us.
The deeper side though thinks that this might be a GREAT idea because I am afraid of heights and flying. In order for me to get on a plane I have to pretty much take enough sedatives to kill a horse. There isn't anything out there strong enough to where I have no clue of my surroundings. I also have anthropophobia which causes me to work from home and conduct business over the phone, text, email or online. It is very difficult for me to be around crowds of more than 5-6 people at a time.
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"The good thing is that religion would end because no one would fear that Hell place that is crammed into ones head as a child, but the bad thing could be that we may die out sooner because we would not fear the bear coming to eat us."
IOW it's great for New Yorkers but they already don't believe in God and also not in bears.
The military will want it to make soldiers not to fear bullets or death, after all only 25% of the soldiers are able to fire their weapons because of fear.
It's not a flaw (Score:1)
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I don't fear snakes either. That doesn't mean I don't give them a wide margin until I positively identify them as non-poisonous. At least I don't run for cover when I see a snake only to discover that my hiding place has spiders.
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There are other phobias that have little to do with normal situations. Such as not afraid of heights but afraid of bridges. Afraid of the number thirteen. And so on.
So you think you just get rid of spider phobia by killing it. How do you kill it if you can't even be in the same room? If you try to kill it with a broom and then your brain starts screaming that it's going to run up the broom and get to you, and that maybe if you stay still it won't notice you're there. It's really funny if it's someone
Why stop there? (Score:1)
Next on the agenda, we clone Jem'Hadar [memory-alpha.org] and become galactic overlords.
It is the start of the Daleks! (Score:1)
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I don't even have to have all that experience.
'Democrats' - tax & spend
'Republicans' - just spend (~80% of the federal deficit is from Reagan & 2 Bushes)
Which one actually sounds fiscally more conservative?
Neither are really responsible, but at least one tries to have the cash to spend.
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So,
Reagan took the debt from $1T to $3T
Bush Sr took it from $3T to $6T
Clinton took it from $6T to $5T
Bush Jr took it from $5T to $12T
Obama from $12T to $17T.
Add it up, Republicans overspent $12T out of $17T debt. So it's only 70%.
And Obama had to deal with the mess of the Bush tax cuts (again, spend only republicans) and an actual recession (when the government actually should be spending). But, yeah, all $17T is his fault. If you're a fucking idiot.
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what is so bad about individual liberty, natural rights and limited government
Those are great. You have a political party around which believes in these things?
Re:Democrats want you to fear Republicans! (Score:5, Informative)
Does it occur to you that we're biased against conservatives because people who self-identify as conservative keep saying deeply stupid things in public. See just about any Republican politician, or check out the insane conservatives that use tags like #TGDN, #TCOT, and #REDNATIONRISING on Twitter. They just keep feeding each other fake quotes, and reinforcing a hatred of anyone who isn't as delusional as they are. They think that intelligent liberal people are their enemy, when really the enemy is the "conservative" media that filled their heads with nonsense.
Conservative didn't always mean crazy/stupid, but it sure does now.
>what is so bad about individual liberty, natural rights and limited government huh?
Nothing, it's the superstition, authoritarianism, racism, homophobia, and opposition to women's rights that's wrong with the ignorant conservatives.
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It has everything to do with the public face of the so called conservative party in America.
If you don't like it, you should either disavow the GOP or clean house. They are representing you as a homophobic elitist hypocritical ignorant martinet.
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Here. [google.com]
OH! Here's a heap [tumblr.com] of examples!
Then there's the whole Rush Limbaugh tough on drug abusers except when blowhard radio personalities take so much non-prescribed oxycontin their ears quit working. Why hasn't he had himself locked up? (just Google, there's far too many references to link)
Then there's these. [alternet.org]. Here [republican...acists.com] too. Even some (former) Republicans agree [vanityfair.com].
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So who is it that opposes gay marriage, abortion (even in the case of rape for a fair percentage), birth control, etc.
I hear stuff from Democrats I disagree with all the time, but it tends to be the GOP saying things that are outrageously stupid or blatant lies, batshit crazy, or just sociopathic.
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"Which was the party that pushed for and passed civil rights legislation over the objection of which other party? Which party was Robert Byrd from? Then there's that whole civil way thing that Lincoln used to free the slaves (simplification I know), which party was he from again, was that Democrat?"
You are making a common modern mistake. You are using the Progressive/Conservative categories and Democratic/Republican parties interchangeably. The time frame you are talking about the Democrats were the conserv
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And now you have shown why there is no longer any civil conversations in modern politics. You have repeatedly requested a citation for contentious claims. I provided a URL that backed up my statement and you instantly jump to insults and insinuations.
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"With the decline of the conservative wing of the Democratic Party after 1960, the movement is most closely associated with the Republican Party (GOP)"
Literally the second sentence of the article... Thanks for playing.
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Which was the party that pushed for and passed civil rights legislation over the objection of which other party?
Let's face it, neither of those parties exists in a recognizable form today.
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What crazy crack are you smoking?
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I don't think so considering that I'm disappointed in the Democrats for shifting to the right. The rest f the world has noticed that the U.S. has no significant left, just right, righter, and wingnut.
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By scientific definition life began somewhere 3.5 billion years ago, just once, and we are all just a continuation of that one single starting point. Life replicates by splitting a living part of itself off into a separate entity, not by jump-starting new life in a separate piece of inert matter.
The question is when the mother and child become separate beings, rather than just the one being a growt
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Please do not use homophobia when describing such people.
TFA is talking about phobias as genetic. i.e. they aren't something you choose. They are what you are born with.
Homophobia, as you are talking about (AFAIK) is the kind of hatred that is a choice. It isn't fear. It's downright hatred. Fear can lead to hatred, but I think phobias aren't directly tied to that.
In other words, there is a thing that is homophobia, a literal fear of gays that is akin to fear of heights and spiders. But that is a genetic thi
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No one thinks it might be a good idea to unplug that cable from the back of your heads for a few minutes and let reason take over for a bit, and to see what comes from that?
Please; You have no room to talk. If you had actually dared to face reality rationally you would not be so worked up about such meaningless things. You are participating in inherently irrational behavior and crying foul because others are a teensy bit more irrational than you.
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I responded specifically and directly to the only point raised about which I cared; the one I quoted.
You reply with more political nonsense.
Congratulations, you broke the rust of the old cogitator and fired it up to let 'logic' happen with regards to one very tiny piece of your life and then you rushed to shut it off again just as fast as you could... Congratulations again! Seriously you are now more rational then the majority of people on the planet.
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