Evidence of 100,000-Year-Old Life Found In Antarctic Subglacial Lake 63
Researchers taking advantage of retreating ice shelves in Antarctica have discovered evidence of life that's been sealed away for nearly 100,000 years. Lake Hodgson on the Antarctic Peninsula, once covered by over 400 meters of ice, is now obscured only by a thin layer three to four meters thick. Scientists carefully drilled through the ice and took samples (abstract) from the layers of mud at the bottom (as much as 93 meters below the lake's surface). "The top few centimetres of the core contained current and recent organisms which inhabit the lake but once the core reached 3.2 m deep the microbes found most likely date back nearly 100,000 years. ... Some of the life discovered was in the form of Fossil DNA showing that many different types of bacteria live there, including a range of extremophiles which are species adapted to the most extreme environments. These use a variety of chemical methods to sustain life both with and without oxygen. One DNA sequence was related to the most ancient organisms known on Earth and parts of the DNA in twenty three percent has not been previously described."
Watch it be the virus that killed the dinosaurs (Score:4, Funny)
and like avian bird flu can take down humans, as well.
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You first.
Re:Watch it be the virus that killed the dinosaurs (Score:4, Insightful)
...trash of society doing stupid things...
Like going to Antarctica and digging up microorganisms?
Re:Watch it be the virus that killed the dinosaurs (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Watch it be the virus that killed the dinosaurs (Score:4, Funny)
The planet works best when is reinstalled every 60-70 millon years, you know, cruft gets accumulated.
FTFY. Because the planet surely doesn't want to boot up with the same virus (=human) infested crap again.
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Wait, you're saying the earth runs Windows?
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Most of the people on this site would agree that 100,000 years is shorter than one million. You shot your own foot.
Yeah, what a goofball. Links to a site that says radio carbon is accurate to one million years, when even Discovery says it is only good to 50,000.
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"have you heard of Nebuchadnezzar's dream?"
Yes. It was about a hovercraft, and something about machines being the new overlords eating humans controlled under a matrix, wasn't it?
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--Thomas
Adding some Old Earth counterpoint here. Viewing the images is left as an exercise for the reader.
Re:most like 100,000 years (Score:4, Informative)
Link: carbon dating can't be trusted beyond 150 million years.
Conclusion: The date of 100,000 years given here is wrong.
If you'd taken time to scan the paper, you'd easily find the section on dating (2.2): "A chronological model was
developed using a combination of radiocarbon, optically stimulated luminescence (OSL), and relative
palaeomagnetic intensity dating. [...] OSL measurements suggested that material incorporated into the basal sediments might date to
93,000 ± 9000 years ago."
I.e. the 100,000 years is independent of carbon dating. (Actually, I'm surprised they even attempted carbon dating in this environment.)
Re:most like 100,000 years (Score:4, Informative)
Most people think radio-dating is only done by carbon, they don't understand that we use different element in different context.. ;)
They usually don't understand the principle of half-life and think we have to wait that time to measure it..
Typical creationist argument
First words from reanimated human melted from ice (Score:2)
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"Yes, but we're trying to warm the planet now to prevent an ice age. Those are now considered debt."
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"Also I'm one of the aliens who has populated the planet in your absence. Hi! Wow we're really similar except for the foreheads."
Reprieved ! (Score:2)
Re:Reprieved ! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Reprieved ! (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, that's the biggest difference between "compostable" and "edible." There are a lot of detritovores that don't care about the chemicals they're chewing up; unless it's something toxic enough to kill them, anything just looks like a carbon chain in dire need of stripping. Molecules of the wrong chirality definitely fit in this category.
That being said, chirality isn't the only thing that you can count on being totally arbitrary. The choice of amino acids is pretty fickle (humans only have 20, some species have two more, and we often modify them... and there is a more-or-less infinite number of them that nothing on Earth uses at all. [wikipedia.org]) Nucleotides are similar [wikipedia.org], and the debate about nucleic acid backbones is open [wikipedia.org]. There are countless opportunities for different preferences amongst sugars (we're designed around glucose, rather arbitrarily) and other metabolites. In a real-life validation of all of this, Archaeans don't even use normal phospholipids in their membranes [wikipedia.org]! (Which seems like such a bizarrely difficult thing to do that I sometimes wonder if it isn't evidence of multiple abiogenesis events, but that's a bit flimsy.)
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Also we tend to forget that life as we know it already uses most of the periodic table.
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I think I've seen this movie a few times (Score:2)
Fossil DNA? (Score:2)
I am a biologist and I don't know what "fossil DNA" is.
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Early Happy New Year (Score:1)
So that's where they buried Dick Clark.
Holy shit (Score:1)
How did this article pass peer-review? What is "the most ancient organisms known". The article doesn't cite anything for this. I'm a molecular ecologist, and have never head of such thing. Another thing, it seems like they didn't have a clue of how to analyze 16S amplicons. Yes, 23% of their reads couldn't be assigned into a genus. So what? That's a very normal outcome. Why didn't they cluster these into OTUs and see where the OTUs go in the 16S tree? There are super easy-to-use pipelines for this. Yeah. In
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That was my first thought. "A Colder War" by Stross is a good one too.
Has the Prothean beacon been found? (Score:2)