Start-Up Wants To Open Up Science Journals and Eliminate Paywalls 74
First time accepted submitter ryanferrell writes "Not even Harvard can afford to subscribe to every academic journal. For scientists at small institutions, lack of access to journals specific to one's narrow field can be painful. Individual articles can cost $30 to $50 each, which is paid out of personal or grant funds. The Boston Globe profiles a start-up that is piloting an 'iTunes' model with Nature Publishing Group and the University of Utah. In the pilot program, researchers pay nothing to download articles and their library foots a smaller bill for a la carte access from the publisher."
Pipe Dream... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can build a web site like this, too! It doesnâ(TM)t mean that the journals I follow will come running to me to abandon their multi-thousand a year subscription fees. The solution is not in the delivery system, itâ(TM)s in the entire mentality of the so-called âoeprofessional journalâ and the need for scientists to pimp themselves within.
And that will not happen any time soon.
Re:Pipe Dream... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Pipe Dream... (Score:5, Interesting)
Many scientists do. As well as the expensive options like PLoS, there are many who just publish on their own blogs, or use tools like arxiv. At the moment, though, the credit structures don't acknowledge the cheap options, so we have to pay for the more expensive process, whether before or after.
Scientific publishing is on a knife edge at the moment. There is a lot of flux in the system. I hadn't heard of ReadCube -- there is also Mendeley and Zotero which offer good reference management capabilities. Then, in terms of journals which are, or are about to appear, there is Elife, F1000 Research, PeerJ. Then there is Figshare which is also NPG now. It's quite an interesting time. Some very big names are going to crash (Elsevier is kind of high on that list of possible losses; fingers crossed Springer goes as well).
The risk is, and I think it is a very real risk, is exactly that what this article suggests. We end up with iTunes; a single, dominant publisher who can define the publishing model, control the sytem regardless of the other stakeholders. It has happened in many other areas: google, facebook, amazon are all obvious examples.
I dislike the status quo intently, but this does not mean that replacing will necessarily produce a better result.
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If there are open ones and closed ones, I don't see why there can't be something in the middle.
What middle? (Score:5, Insightful)
The real answer is to get rid of the journal publishing industry entirely. We do not need them. Copyright does nothing to promote scientific research these days, and journal publishers just hide human knowledge behind a wall of copyrights. Journal publishers rarely compensate the scientists who review articles, and sometimes they do not even compensate the editors.
Of course, journals also have names, which scientists can use to impress people. "I published in Nature" sounds impressive, and people simply assume that your work must have been "a cut above" work that was published elsewhere. After all, who has time to read so much as the abstract of an article, when you can stop at the name of the journal (and it's not as though anyone publishes the same article in 10 different journals, making only superficial tweaks to their work, right?)?
Let's not keep our minds so open that our brains fall out. The journal publishing industry is an obsolete industry, riding on nothing but its good name and an anachronistic method of promoting the spread of human knowledge for the benefit of society.
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It is like asking about the middle ground between cars and horses -- which is ridiculous and pointless red flag laws.
You mean like bicycles, atv's, tractors, and motorcycles? ;)
Kidding aside, I still don't see why a middle ground between free and ridiculously-high-paywall is dead from the start.
Re:What middle? (Score:5, Insightful)
Kidding aside, I still don't see why a middle ground between free and ridiculously-high-paywall is dead from the start.
You can think of it this way: the fewer restrictions there are on reading journal articles, the more scientific research that can be done. So free (libre and gratis) articles maximize the benefit to researchers, who are the very people writing those articles.
Now, prior to the Internet, such a thing could not have happened, because one of the major restrictions on journal access was the ability of researchers to actually obtain copies of the journals -- without a global copying machine like the Internet, they had to rely on people who had industrial copying equipment, which was expensive to operate. Back then, copyrights made a lot of sense for scientific publishing, because they helped to monetize the publishing industry that was making articles available to researchers.
These days, most researchers have enough equipment in their pockets to make copies of articles available to the world. So the intrinsic restrictions on obtaining articles are now gone; copyright is no longer helping to reduce restrictions, but it has actually become the most significant restriction on reading articles. Since researchers are not paid via copyrights on their articles, and since the reviewers and editors of journals are often not paid for their work, there is little reason left for us to continue to pay anyone just to read scientific articles.
So, while copyrights will keep journals alive, and will likely keep "middle of the road" approaches alive, in terms of actually benefiting society by promoting the progress of scientific research, there is only one good way to proceed: free availability of articles, via the Internet.
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You don't have to recite the "free is better" rhetoric for me, I'm already familiar. I was (repeatedly) asking why a middle ground won't work... because that was the original assertion. Nobody asked about "greatest social benefit".
But now it seems now you've concluded that it could, or even does work?
So, while copyrights will keep journals alive, and will likely keep "middle of the road" approaches alive
If you weren't interested in addressing the question and just wanted a platform to shout from, you should know that you're preaching to the choir, and you're just thread-jacking.
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In the long run, copyrights on scientific research are going to either die or become irrelevant, that's why. That is all that the middle of the road approach has going for it.
If all these pay walls do is provide funding to keep the pay wall afloat, then yes there is no point to them.
On the other hand:
Does Dr. Joe Researcher make any money selling papers? Do the institutions that employ Dr. Joe?
Does any of the money flow back to the source of funding?
Re:What middle? (Score:4, Insightful)
Does Dr. Joe Researcher make any money selling papers?
Not directly; a researcher might make money by advancing his career, which a well-padded resume might help with, which publishing in top name journals accomplishes. But that is a pretty big stretch, and there is no reason that a resume could not be padded in another system where the papers cannot be copyrighted (or simply are not). Note also that researchers in my own field, where papers are almost always available at no cost, still pad their resumes.
Do the institutions that employ Dr. Joe?
That is even more tenuous. Institutions with researchers that have well-padded resumes do tend to bring in more grant money, because those researchers are more likely to get grants. Again, in my field, people get lots of grant money, despite the fact that their published papers can be downloaded at no cost.
Does any of the money flow back to the source of funding?
Only in the sense that the money I spent on coffee this past week will eventually find its way there.
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So if you're right (which is highly speculative), then it's a progressive idea that should do well, and will usher in a coming era of truly open access.
If you're wrong, it's a reasonable middle-ground approach, analogous to iTunes (as they suggest), somewhere between a napster and pressed albums at high prices.
I guess we've cleared that up...
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Middle ground doesn't work because if there's any kinds of restrictions whatsoever on access, whoever controls those restrictions is making money off them, and has every incentive to make them stricter to increase their income. It's the same thing that happened with copyrights.
Also, if what is basically a parasite - the journal - allows for "middle ground", it risks giving credibility to the idea that it's a
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Of course, journals also have names, which scientists can use to impress people. "I published in Nature" sounds impressive, and people simply assume that your work must have been "a cut above" work that was published elsewhere. After all, who has time to read so much as the abstract of an article, when you can stop at the name of the journal (and it's not as though anyone publishes the same article in 10 different journals, making only superficial tweaks to their work, right?)?
And that name / reputation is what makes this whole rotten system so hard to break. Nature has a monopoly on a very scarce good, their own name, because if you published in Nature, your career is made (and your ability to publish lame crap in future is substantially enhanced, as you can ride on your reputation for years.
The journal publishing industry is an obsolete industry, riding on nothing but its good name and an anachronistic method of promoting the spread of human knowledge for the benefit of society.
Agreed, and in addition it is heavily biased towards the incumbents (the publishers, and those who benefit from having made a name for themselves by publishing in the incumbent journals).
i-tunes model ? (Score:2)
I thought the 'i-tunes' business model was all about building your own os and your own hardware platform, so you could have a large captive audience and shut out competitors.
In any case, I doubt that "paying less" is the argument they used to bring in their current publisher on-board. They probably sold it to them saying: "You guys could make a lot more money short-term wise, if you stopped offering your unlimited access subscriptions and switched to a metered approach. Since the researchers reading your ar
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Newspapers are minimalised because of the plethora of free news sources online. The same can't be said of peer-reviewed scientific papers. So, I think your analogy is flawed.
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His is the kind of false analogy that sounds plausible so long as you don't analyse it at all.
Scientific journals *are* science. There really isn't a cheap substitute for peer review. Consider the source of peer reviewed articles: scientists! Their labor and expertise are, by definition, not cheap!
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But the scientists producing the research and the institutions employing them are, as far as I can tell, seldom (never?) compensated by scientific journals for articles. Peer review is done by scientists, not the journals themselves. The journals just publish. It seems that scientists are more likely to have to pay to be published than the other way around.
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The journals do NOT pay for peer review.
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The journals do NOT pay for peer review.
I was just going to ask that.
Wouldn't you have to be peer reviewed just to get into the journals?
Do peer reviewers ever get paid? And if so by who? Wouldn't paying for a review taint the review?
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I've read enough papers in my life but in general I'm just looking for 'the good idea' with reasonable argumentation. Some peer-replies are welcome have a stupidity filter. For the rest they are just long pieces of paper I have to go through.
I guess they will be replaced by blogs or Q&A-pages (like serverside/stackoverflow).
Not academia (Score:2)
Ouch! (Score:2)
of course Harvard can't afford it (Score:5, Informative)
Or is it possible that they are simply not interested in subscribing to everything?
perverse incentives from publish or perish (Score:5, Insightful)
The superficial problem is that universities can't afford to subscribe to all the journals that are out there. The ultimate source of this problem is that there are too many fourth-rate universities trying to pretend that they're research universities, and too many people trying to make it in academia in proportion to the number of available permanent jobs doing research. These people have a heavy incentive to publish lots of papers. If some of those papers happen to be important and influential in their field, that's good too, but the primary commandment is just to publish a ton of articles. This is what they have to do in order to get tenure. In many cases, they're in a department at a lower-tier state school that isn't really research oriented at all. Tenured faculty in their department aren't even doing research, just teaching. But the school wants to be just like the research-oriented universities (UC, Ivy Leage, etc.), so they make research a criterion for teaching. The school can afford to do this, because they have 300 applicants for every tenure-track job. All of this creates an overwhelming incentive for huge numbers of people to do research that is probably correct but utterly unimportant, and will never be cited in another paper. These useless papers have to be published somewhere. That's why all the low-impact-factor journals exist.
The only solution I can imagine is that we could create not just a full set of high-quality free journals in all academic disciplines but also a full spectrum of medium- and low-impact free journals as well. Kind of depressing, but it seems to be what junior faculty need.
Labtiva's approach doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a way of tackling the problem. The problem they describe is that research libraries can't afford to subscribe to all the low-impact journals. Low-impact journals are crap. They're low-impact. Their papers hardly ever get cited. For that reason, the market for $0.99 downloads of their papers will be too small to matter; nobody wants to read these papers.
I teach at a community college, so I don't have access to journals. It would be great if I could get specific articles from high-quality journals for $0.99 a copy. But the publishers of those journals have no incentive to sell the articles for $0.99 rather than $30. If they did that, it would just encourage libraries to cut their subscriptions. As it is, some researchers will pay $30 for a specific article out of their grant money, and the journal will pull in a pile of money for doing almost nothing.
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At least in USA, there should be a non-profit online library already containing all research papers for free, or for a nominal sum (like $1/year for full individual access, $1000/year for a university, just enough to pay for hosting). This is because fair use makes an explicit exceptions for scholarship, research and classroom teaching, including multiple copies for classroom use, and research articles are not ever used for anything else. They really aren't. Just reading one is "research".
Any lawyers out
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That's some pretty expensive hosting for a bunch of text files. How about simply upload a monthly digest of PDFs to the Pirate Bay? A typical desktop should be enough to do seeding.
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The superficial problem is that universities can't afford to subscribe to all the journals that are out there. The ultimate source of this problem is that there are too many fourth-rate universities trying to pretend that they're research universities, and too many people trying to make it in academia in proportion to the number of available permanent jobs doing research. These people have a heavy incentive to publish lots of papers. If some of those papers happen to be important and influential in their field, that's good too, but the primary commandment is just to publish a ton of articles. This is what they have to do in order to get tenure. In many cases, they're in a department at a lower-tier state school that isn't really research oriented at all. Tenured faculty in their department aren't even doing research, just teaching. But the school wants to be just like the research-oriented universities (UC, Ivy Leage, etc.), so they make research a criterion for teaching. The school can afford to do this, because they have 300 applicants for every tenure-track job. All of this creates an overwhelming incentive for huge numbers of people to do research that is probably correct but utterly unimportant, and will never be cited in another paper. These useless papers have to be published somewhere. That's why all the low-impact-factor journals exist.
The only solution I can imagine is that we could create not just a full set of high-quality free journals in all academic disciplines but also a full spectrum of medium- and low-impact free journals as well. Kind of depressing, but it seems to be what junior faculty need.
Labtiva's approach doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a way of tackling the problem. The problem they describe is that research libraries can't afford to subscribe to all the low-impact journals. Low-impact journals are crap. They're low-impact. Their papers hardly ever get cited. For that reason, the market for $0.99 downloads of their papers will be too small to matter; nobody wants to read these papers.
I teach at a community college, so I don't have access to journals. It would be great if I could get specific articles from high-quality journals for $0.99 a copy. But the publishers of those journals have no incentive to sell the articles for $0.99 rather than $30. If they did that, it would just encourage libraries to cut their subscriptions. As it is, some researchers will pay $30 for a specific article out of their grant money, and the journal will pull in a pile of money for doing almost nothing.
I agree with much of what you say, but I would like to provide a little context and put things into perspective a bit for the non-academic-scientists on Slashdot. First, tenure doesn't typically swing on the number of papers; what matters more than anything is how well-known you are, and that comes from citations and talks. You can publish one paper a year in Science for five years, give two big talks, and voila; tenure. You can also crank out 10 papers a year in the "Journal of Who Gives a Crap" and give m
Pipe dreams != eventual reality (Score:3)
plos.org (Score:5, Informative)
love this idea (Score:2)
I would gladly pay a yearly stipend for an "all I can handle" subscription to academic, peer reviewed articles.
The question is...how many people are like me? I don't know...
Side Benefit (Score:2)
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Exactly.
You've hit on probably the last desperate justification for a paid peer reviewed journal: Weeding out the web of wackos.
If the Universities at least made sure that the research was in fact done at their university by real honest to god faculty or research staff, and THEN posted the papers on their .EDU domain, you might have a running chance of separating Dr. Joe Krakpot from some real scientist.
But since anyone can put up a web server, muddying the waters with a lot of crap science is going to be
Huh? (Score:2)
This is different from an university library... how?
Sorry, but the only real solution is Open Access journals. And thanks goodness, they're gaining ground. Nature is doing this token gesture because they at least have some intuition on how the gradual but unstoppable move towards Open Access publishing will sweep them away, alongside the other too-greedy-for-their-own-good journal publishers.
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Open Access sounds great and as an unemployed Ph.D. at the moment, I'm grateful for those who publish that way, but pay-to-publish puts up a barrier to the release of good science conducted by poorly funded researchers
The great majority (maybe all) OA journals have a policy of waving fees for poorly funded scientists.
and provides an incentive for journals to accept sub-par papers.
That has not been an issue at all, so far - quality has been the same for OpenAccess journal articles.
ReadCube Cost (Score:1)
It is sad that renting articles and not being able to share them with colleagues/students almost seems like a deal compared to the current system. It is sicking to me that the publishing system gets in the way of scientific pr
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It is sicking to me that the publishing system gets in the way of scientific progress and selectively holds back faculty and students from smaller universities that can't afford access to high-impact journals.
Then do something about it -- refuse to publish in journals that are not universally accessible at no cost. If there are no such resources in your field, create one. Talk to fellow researchers about setting up a system where volunteers review and edit articles, and where articles are hosted on servers at those researchers' institutions. These are not insurmountable problems given today's technology; the real issue is that nobody wants to take on the system as it exists today.
Of course, it would not
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Personally, I try to encourage others to favor open-access journals and sometime
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I'm having trouble seeing the innovation here. Seems as though the differences from the current model are
(1) Articles cost $11 rather than $30, and
(2) There is a rental option for $6.
So, a reasonable improvement perhaps, but hardly a paradigm shift. It's still paywalled, it's still expensive. Open access seems more promising, despite the well-known obstacles to its universal implementation.
(And personally I'd never use the rental option, but maybe there are people for whom it makes sense.)
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On closer inspection, I'd never use the purchase option either. "Researchers cannot print out the articles"? Fuck off, ReadCube. Fuck right off.
Uh-- clearly someone doesn't understand paywalls (Score:3)
Copyright - old problem, old solution (Score:2)
We should just bring back the Library of Alexandria: Full access to the library, must donate one original work of your own. Takes care of all this stupid licensing crap -- just have a central library with a non-exclusive license that says all library patrons have free and full access to read any of the materials at the library, and the right to make a personal copy of the same, free of charge. To become a library patron, simply donate a copy of an original work of your own, subject to the provisions mention
Re:Copyright - old problem, old solution (Score:4, Insightful)
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The problem is that "an original work of your own" might not be possible for someone who has never accessed the knowledge in the library.
The library was intended as a repository of scientific, academic, and cultural texts of significance. It was never meant to be a free-for-all; It wasn't meant for the teeming masses, but for people who actually had something to contribute. It doesn't take very long anymore these days for anyone, in any scientific or engineering discipline, to come across a novel idea, implimentation, or method. All you have to do is write about it in your own words.
That's not a high bar to clear; And it keeps people who pr
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Bullshit. For starters, who verifies that the idea really
What about changing it around a little? (Score:2)
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Not much of a solution (Score:2)
One-sided advertisement for unknown me-too startup (Score:2)
The article makes no mention of thriving competitors with similar business models which have already been in business for several years.
A post about such a topic omitting any reference to, for example, DeepDyve (www.deepdyve.com) can only be classified as advertisement.
A Solution Looking for a Problem (Score:3)
We (scientists) used to access publications by literally picking up a print copy of a journal and thumbing through it. We learned about researchers and where they were publishing from conferences. In the 1960's you could follow less than a dozen journals and know the entirety of the research in a field as broad as Chemistry. In the past 20 years or so the number of publications exploded; Nature has ~80 publications. Some of that is justifiable, as there are many more researchers in the world and the body of scientific knowledge is simply too large to boil down to broad journals like "The Journal of the American Chemical Society."
With the computerization of publishing, we now have instant access to metrics like our "h-index" or the number of times we've been cited. Journals now publish their "impact factors," which are self-fulfilling prophecies of how likely someone is to cite your work if it is published in that journal. Impact factors track strongly with the breadth of a journal, which means that to publish in a "top-tier" journal you must publish something that is of interest to "the broad readership of this journal." Funding is strongly linked to the aforementioned metrics, so everyone competes to publish in certain journals out of necessity and these journals can charge whatever they want, pay their editors nothing, and send take-down notices when you link to a PDF of your own work.
So, the problem has nothing to do with not being able to access enough journals; this company seems to to think that, if only we could access all of the available literature, life would be great. There are already too damn many journals to keep track of and no good way to search them (sans a few specialized fields of research that allow for things like structure-based searching). Since you still learn about papers and people from conferences, you have to speak at a conference to get anyone to read your paper unless it is in a top-tier journal--and guess how you get invited to a conference? Publishing in top-tier journals. So good research languishes in no-name journals with zero citations, dragging down the h-index of a researcher and making it harder for them to find funding. Which turns these journals into dumping grounds for research that isn't accepted in the top-tier journals; and that is, to a limited degree, just fine. When you do publish in a top-tier journal, you cite your previous work in the no-name journal which, due to the structure of "general interest" journals, often contain more scientific rigor anyway. But there is a limit; beyond a certain threshold for terribleness, journals no longer serve any purpose but to make it more difficult to sift through the mind-boggling amount of published science.
What science publishing needs now is an intelligent way to search the existing content. There is no reason good work should go unnoticed just because it isn't in a top-tier journal (and publishing in those journals is an exercise in politics as much as it is in doing good science), but it does because currently we have no way to learn about it other than by the authors promoting themselves at conferences, which is difficult if you aren't already "known." And creating more journals--free or not--contributes to this most fundamental problem of modern scientific publishing.
This "iTunes" model of access to papers sounds like something that was cooked up by grad students, who have no idea how scientific publishing actually works. And, from TFA, you still can't print or share the material, which instantly makes it useless to most professors who, due to age, routine, and the sheer volume of information they are responsible for, rely heavily on hard copies.
Big Science, Big Money (Score:1)