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Scientists Find Gene That Predicts Happiness In Women 323

An anonymous reader writes "For reasons that scientists have not conclusively determined, women are happier than men. And now, researchers think that they may have pinpointed one of the reasons for that. They have found a gene in women that predicts the level of happiness in women. 'After controlling for various factors, ranging from age and education to income, the researchers found that women with the low-expression type of MAOA were significantly happier than others. Compared to women with no copies of the low-expression version of the MAOA gene, women with one copy scored higher on the happiness scale and those with two copies increased their score even more. While a substantial number of men carried a copy of the "happy" version of the MAOA gene, they reported no more happiness than those without it.'"
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Scientists Find Gene That Predicts Happiness In Women

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  • Spoilers (Score:5, Funny)

    by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:20PM (#41170701) Journal

    For reasons that scientists have not conclusively determined, women are happier than men

    Spoilers: It's the difficulty of getting laid. A woman only has to ask "Sex?"

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:35PM (#41170889)

      reproduction for females is costly and dangerous, reproduction for males is cheap

      for a man any cooter will do, for a woman a specific wang is sought after

      and historically the number of wanted wangs has been much smaller than the number of available cooters, roughly 20% of men
      ------------
      in other words, yes random screwing is easier for women but that's irrelevant because that's not what women want, they want screwing by the small subset of desirable men and that is just as hard if not harder harder than a random man finding a random woman

      • and historically the number of wanted wangs has been much smaller than the number of available cooters, roughly 20% of men

        Damn I heard it was 40% :-(

        Actually this explains a lot.

      • by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:39PM (#41170949)

        reproduction for females is costly and dangerous, reproduction for males is cheap

        First of all sex is more than reproduction, you know this, right?

        for a man any cooter will do, for a woman a specific wang is sought after

        Second of all, you know that sex is for more than reproduction, right?

        The VAST majority of sexually active females are *not* trying to have a baby.

        • I just figured he was Catholic :-P

        • by Scragglykat ( 1185337 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:45PM (#41171037)
          He's referring to the using of sex to get one's way/money/goods I believe. That's why when you get married, you stop getting it... because they already have everything you own. :o)
        • by tnk1 ( 899206 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:52PM (#41171133)

          The VAST majority of sexually active females are *not* trying to have a baby.

          That is true in a conscious way, but they generally want to have sex when they feel like having sex. They will feel like having sex when their body tells them they are interested. That interest tends to be generated when certain requirements are met, unless they're somehow impaired (i.e. drunk). Those requirements will tend to reflect who will provide good genes for a child. That's why a woman can like a man just fine and think he is awesome, but has no interest in having sex with him.

          You may well not have sex for reproduction, but we've evolved various aspects of it for that purpose, and nature doesn't care if we intend to get pregnant or not, it will do its best to find the right reproductive partner to have sex with if there is even a chance reproduction may occur.

          Obviously, women can override the immediate desire to have sex and certainly can try and avoid pregnancy, but she's probably not going to try to override her instincts about who she finds attractive.

        • by HeckRuler ( 1369601 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:52PM (#41171137)

          The VAST majority of sexually active females are *not* trying to have a baby.

          Well, NOW, yeah. But for the vast majority and prior banging, on the evolutionary time scale, the purpose was baby-making.
          I mean, we're talking about genetics and the evolutionary forces that push for those genes, right?

          It's legacy code that's vastly out of date, but hey, it's what we've got today and we have to live with it. Eventually we'll get around to refactoring it all, cleaning up the code, and steamlining the crufty parts, but it's good to know where we're at now.

        • by K. S. Kyosuke ( 729550 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:53PM (#41171151)

          First of all sex is more than reproduction, you know this, right?

          cca 1,000,000,000 years ago: Sexual reproduction appears and sexual behavior develops.

          cca 200 years ago: Effective contraceptives get into widespread use.

          You think that our basal ethology and psychology has had the time to adjust to the existence of artificial reproductive barriers?

        • Trying has nothing to do with it. This is about genes. Evolution is the mechanism here, not reason.
        • Second of all, you know that sex is for more than reproduction, right?

          Tell that to your neuroendocrine system. You do talk to your neuroendocrine system, don't you?

          Whilst 'modern' humankind has managed to separate the physically and mentally enjoyable part of sex from the reproductive part, it's rather likely that our hormonal / emotional response is more geared to procreation than recreation.

          Given time, this may change, but for now the AC OOP is probably correct.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @05:00PM (#41172633)
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    • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dkleinsc ( 563838 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:39PM (#41170951) Homepage

      That's not true and you know it. If an 80-year-old woman came up to you and asked "Sex?", you'd probably leave very very quickly. Also, some guys don't just sleep with anything they can and want to evaluate potential partners for being decent-looking, reasonably healthy, and not crazy before jumping into bed.

      Some real reasons women might be happier (as always, variations within a gender are much wider than variations between an average man and an average woman):
      - Women tend to do a better job of building up a support network of friends and family, so if something goes wrong they have help they can call on.
      - Moms tend to bond more closely with their children than dads. If you have kids, you're generally happier when you spend more time with them.
      - As of quite recently, women are more educated than men, and also are more likely to be employed. Material security contributes a great deal towards happiness.

      • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Funny)

        by circletimessquare ( 444983 ) <circletimessquar ... m ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:56PM (#41171181) Homepage Journal

        Also, some guys don't just sleep with anything they can and want to evaluate potential partners for being decent-looking, reasonably healthy, and not crazy before jumping into bed.

        You are on the wrong website sir.

        • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:48PM (#41171845) Homepage

          Never eat a place called Mom's.
          Never play poker with a man named Doc.
          Never sleep with a woman with a woman who has more problems than you do.

          That, along with a roll of duct tape, some WD-40, a screwdriver and a hammer will get you pretty far in this world.

          • by mk1004 ( 2488060 )

            That, along with a roll of duct tape, some WD-40, a screwdriver and a hammer will get you pretty far in this world.

            I wonder how many of those items might be in 50 Shades of Grey?

      • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:59PM (#41171225) Journal

        That's not true and you know it.

        It's much closer to true than you want to admit. If you send a group of average looking college students onto campus to randomly proposition [time.com] people of the opposite sex, the majority of females will get affirmative responses, and the majority of males will get negative responses. Women have a much easier time than men getting laid. That's scientific fact.

        • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Interesting)

          by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:48PM (#41171841)

          Women have a much easier time than men getting laid. That's scientific fact.

          Whoa there, partner. That's not science: That's social role. If you were in a different culture, it would be a different story. Try being a woman in feudal china: You had no rights. You slept with whomever the eldest male told you to. You married whomever your family told you to. For most of human history as it turns out, women were not given much choice on who they'd have sex with, and rape was a viable and commonly-practiced method of procreation. There's a 5% chance you're directly descended from Ghenghis Khan. And in pre-modern times, the spoils of a battle were often women. Generals had serious morale problems if they didn't produce enemy women on a regular basis -- it was one of the sign-up bonuses.

          So don't tell me that it's a scientific fact. This isn't like gravity -- it existed 5 billion years ago, it'll still exist 5 billion years from now. That is a scientific fact. What you're talking about is just a re-arrangement of prejudices and commonly held conceptions and perceptions of the world as it exists right now. And if there's anything science teaches us, it's that the only constant... is change. These social values and ideas you think are eternally unchanging are right now in a state of flux; It's just happening too slowly for you to perceive it. So don't assume just because you, or even a thousand people like you, observe something and agree it's true that it becomes a scientific fact. Science has rules; One of which is to ensure your sample isn't biased. Yours... very much... is.

          • by Hatta ( 162192 )

            Fair enough. Women have an easier time getting laid than men, with the exception of rape.

          • Apex fallacy as usual. As if the average man's life had any value in feudal China. Men don't even get to be spoils of war, they are just killed. For a woman to successfully give birth she has to receive some consideration. There are very real biological factors that prioritize females above males at all times.
          • by invid ( 163714 )

            For most of human history as it turns out, women were not given much choice on who they'd have sex with, and rape was a viable and commonly-practiced method of procreation.

            Most of human history is a mere 5000 years or so. Modern humans have existed for over 100000 years. Genus homo for at least 3 million. Those guys lived in small family groups. Sexual selection by women might have had a larger impact in those days, and could have led to genetically transferred sexual predispositions by women. Once the genome is more fully understood, these processes can be subject to real science.

          • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Interesting)

            by PlusFiveTroll ( 754249 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @11:28PM (#41175333) Homepage

            >Whoa there, partner. That's not science: That's social role.

            In the vast majority of the animal kingdom, the female chooses which male partner to breed with. The males of a great many species look superficially different then the females. Bright colors, fancy displays, loud noises and songs, antlers and horns.. These are the things most commonly found on males. The females, especially in non-pairing or social grouping animals are very bland in color.

            That's not social role, that's evolution saying it's easy for a woman to get laid.

          • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Interesting)

            by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @11:43PM (#41175377) Journal

            There are similar studies done across cultures, and they support the same thing.

            There's a fairly obvious explanation for that, too. From evolutionary perspective, it makes more sense for man to have sex with as many women as he can, since that increases the chances of him spreading his genes around. So, natural selection favors men like that.

            For a woman, that same perspective makes for bonding with a single man. She doesn't increase the chance of spreading her genes by having sex with multiple men - it's one baby at a time either way - but, what with primates being strong adherents of the K strategy [wikipedia.org], and with Homo in particular having significantly higher than average male contribution to progeny, it is important to secure the attention of one particular male to contribute to her progeny - which he'll do if it's also his progeny (or at least he believes so).

            Of course, it's all somewhat more complicated - for example, from the above also follows that sexual selection by women will favor men who don't openly fuck everything that moves - females will tend to avoid such males because they're more likely to spread their effort across the many children they have, but they can't avoid them if they don't know. And so we arrive at the present "pretend to be monogamous when somebody's looking" arrangement...

          • Re:Spoilers (Score:4, Interesting)

            by jheath314 ( 916607 ) on Thursday August 30, 2012 @11:39AM (#41179649)

            For most of human history as it turns out, women were not given much choice on who they'd have sex with, and rape was a viable and commonly-practiced method of procreation.

            Now it's your turn to back up your assertions. While I agree that there has been a significant power difference between the genders for most (if not all) of human history, that is different from saying women had not much choice in the matter of who they ended up with. Humans are relatively unique among the primates in using pair-bonding as the dominant reproductive strategy (where almost every male has a chance to pass on his genes), rather than the alpha-male hierarchy seen in chimp, gorilla, and other ape societies. Genghis Khan is notable because he is the exception, rather than the rule, in our social organization.

            Moreover, I would argue that human intelligence, and much of the culture that flows from it, is a sexually-selected trait, much like the feathers on a peacock's tail... females are generally attracted to men who can conspicuously show off their mental agility and creativity through displays such as music and dance, or through the accumulation of wealth. If women had no choice in who they mated with, these displays would be pointless from an evolutionary perspective. It is precisely because women had a choice in who they paired with that the selection pressure for intelligence far exceeded what was necessary for mere survival of the species.

        • Re:Spoilers (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Daniel Dvorkin ( 106857 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @05:07PM (#41172723) Homepage Journal

          average looking college students onto campus to randomly proposition people of the opposite sex

          "Average looking college students" of both sexes are a pretty attractive group as a whole; they're generally healthy, in their reproductive prime, and have at least enough social status to get into college in the first place. So the experiences of the participants in this study aren't necessarily typical of what people from a demographically broader group would see--and given that the specific ways in which college students are attractive (especially youth and fertility) are generally understood to make up a larger component of women's attractiveness than of men's, I suspect that the results for them female study participants are more biased than those for the male participants.

      • But why do women tend to do those things? is it genetic? Is it the same gene that is identified in tfa that might influence this behavior?
    • Re:Spoilers (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mcgrew ( 92797 ) * on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:51PM (#41171107) Homepage Journal

      Actually, I'd like to see the study that says woman are happier than men, because that flies in the face of my experience. Most of the women I know are either depressed or angry all the time.

      The unhappy men I know are all married.

  • Multiple orgasms (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:24PM (#41170745)

    That gene wouldn't happen to have an association with the one that allows for multiple orgasms in women, would it?

  • GATTACA (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:25PM (#41170753) Journal

    Now you can analyze your girlfriend's* DNA and see if she's only acting happy and would become miserable after marriage!

    *Yeah this is Slashdot but the theory is sound

    • Now you can analyze your girlfriend's* DNA and see if she's only acting happy and would become miserable after marriage!

      *Yeah this is Slashdot but the theory is sound

      I think Slashdot users are more likely to hit the powerball than gain the ability to test this theory.

      • Now you can analyze your girlfriend's* DNA and see if she's only acting happy and would become miserable after marriage!

        *Yeah this is Slashdot but the theory is sound

        I think Slashdot users are more likely to hit the powerball than gain the ability to test this theory.

        I'd postulate that a Slashdot user hitting the powerball would find themselves quite capable of testing this theory. Also, I'm willing to be my own test subject.

    • Re:GATTACA (Score:5, Insightful)

      by CubicleZombie ( 2590497 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:35PM (#41170887)

      Now you can analyze your girlfriend's* DNA and see if she's only acting happy and would become miserable after marriage!

      It's a lot easier than that. Just plan a wedding. Whatever she's like during that process is what she'll be like after marriage. Bridezilla == Wifezilla.

      Then throw a screaming baby and some surging hormones into the mix.

      Somebody kill me.

      • I think covert DNA collection and analysis is easier than planning a wedding.

      • Interesting point. Weird as it might sound, I went on a Bridezillas tv show binge a while back and was blown away by the way some of those women acted. I've been disgusted for a long time with what weddings have become, but I see some logic behind guys who seem to bail weeks or months before the big day.

      • Re:GATTACA (Score:5, Insightful)

        by hackula ( 2596247 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:32PM (#41171645)
        Just got married last weekend. Kept things simple with close to zero stress. Saved 20 grand and everyone's sanity. Wife was easy going and chill about everything. Pro tip: if your bride-to-be is freaking the fuck out about flowers, food, or chairs, then she is a psychopath. Do not marry a psychopath! This should go without saying, but somehow it is become the norm. Marry a woman, not a spoiled child.
      • Now you can analyze your girlfriend's* DNA and see if she's only acting happy and would become miserable after marriage!

        It's a lot easier than that. Just plan a wedding. Whatever she's like during that process is what she'll be like after marriage. Bridezilla == Wifezilla.

        Then throw a screaming baby and some surging hormones into the mix.

        Somebody kill me.

        I am on it.

        The wife

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:25PM (#41170767)

    the gene is incredibly rare.

  • Hair? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Chemisor ( 97276 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:26PM (#41170781)

    This gene wouldn't be the one responsible for blond hair, would it?

    • They traced [the gene] to the low-activity form of monoamine oxidase A (MAOA). The findings surprised the researchers, because that same gene has been linked to alcoholism, aggression and generally antisocial behavior.

      That does sound rather like some blonds I know...
    • Blondes only have more fun because they're easier to find in the dark.
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:27PM (#41170789)
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  • it makes me unhappy. It's unfair. Lucky women. Life sucks. Leave me alone.

  • I always thought the gene that made women happy was what was in my pocket...

    Get your mind out of the gutter! I meant in my wallet in my back pocket.

  • Now if Monsanto will just stick thing in their corn, it will make for a happier world!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:30PM (#41170841)

    in most states they don't have to put up with wives.

  • by Spy Handler ( 822350 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:33PM (#41170869) Homepage Journal

    The picture I'm getting is that genetic tech and biochemistry is still in the dark ages. I mean, they have no idea how gene X works on a biochemical level, so they take a survey of people with gene X and ask how happy they are... and call that a study.

    The good news is, once they figure this shit out and can accurately model all the biochemical reactions inside the human body, the possibilities are endless.

    • No, the possibilities end at getting a wife not to make something up and claim their husband didn't do it and should have known they were supposed to. That's way beyond genes, from my personal experiments a wife exhibits the following characteristics during said complaint time:
      She grows slightly between 15% and 20% of her normal body size
      She may speak a language foreign to her to ensure you understand her disdain
      She will not be interrupted by anything less than 4000dB loud or less than 3500lbs of weight
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:37PM (#41170909)

    Could this be a major contributor to the disparity in achievement between men and women? Women have achieved great things as scientists, CEOs, politicians, and in many other areas. Despite this, by and large, men strive for achievement more than women (as a group). Is it because men, on average, are less content? Could this be the primary motivating factor for men to achieve greater things than their predecessors? Perhaps men then to just "want it" more than women. I'm not denying that discrimination and disenfranchisement are contributing factors, but maybe they don't play as big a role as people think.

    • by sandytaru ( 1158959 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:41PM (#41171757) Journal
      I'm a fairly happy woman (also pretty hard to get upset) and I still dream of big things. But I'm content so long as I have my creature comforts. Even if I never achieve my most ambitious dreams (like working for NASA), I'm happy just having reached some smaller goals (writing a novel, going to graduate school, finding a nice guy to marry, buying a house, etc.) So I do think that the yearning, the desire for more and better things, that some men and women experience is definitely a factor in their level of happiness.
      • Even if I never achieve my most ambitious dreams (like working for NASA), I'm happy just having reached some smaller goals (writing a novel, going to graduate school, finding a nice guy to marry, buying a house, etc.)

        You have either overrated NASA, or else underrated the rest of your life.

  • Is this Gene activated when I do the dishes or put my close in the hamper? Because I'm getting told it does by my wife and... oh I was just told I've used up my "internet" for the day...
  • Is there some new way science is able to quantify happiness? They can measure it?
  • ... low-expression MAOA relate to the size of her ass?

  • One wonders what evolutionary advantage the high-expression version of this gene might have yielded.

    "The MAOA gene regulates the activity of an enzyme that breaks down serontin (sic), dopamine and other neurotransmitters in the brain. The low-expression version of the MAOA gene promotes higher levels of monoamine, which allows larger amounts of these neurotransmitters to stay in the brain and boost mood."

    You can understand why the low-expression form might be advantageous, but the high-expression form would seem to make one pretty much always depressed and hard to live with.

    Predisposition toward being depressed does not immediately suggest any advantage in getting your offspring into the next generation, or even any advantage in ensuring your immediate survival, let alone attracting a mate.

    The findings surprised the researchers, because that same gene has been linked to alcoholism, aggression and generally antisocial behavior.

    Left unsaid is if t

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      You can understand why the low-expression form might be advantageous, but the high-expression form would seem to make one pretty much always depressed and hard to live with.

      Predisposition toward being depressed does not immediately suggest any advantage in getting your offspring into the next generation, or even any advantage in ensuring your immediate survival, let alone attracting a mate.

      Back in the hunter-gatherer era, the ability to scare off potential suitors might help a woman in dedicating her existing attention towards the raising of an existing child. Popping out one kid a year (even if child mortality is high) results in a sizable family. And what with the father(s) absent hunting, or in a non-monogamous society where dad just moves on, mom can't afford to stretch her resources too far.

      Then there's the great sex with a crazy bitch theory. If crazy bitch correlates with unhappy, and

  • did they test genes in lesbian women? i'm pretty certain men are unhappy because we have to make women happy.
  • I wonder (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wbr1 ( 2538558 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:46PM (#41171047)
    No troll intended
    But I wonder if this gene is activated or deactivated by the monthly increase or decrease in certain hormones.
  • I thought they were the ones that don't make her ass look big... oh, genes... I thought you said jeans.

  • Gives a whole new meaning to the old saying, 'Take my wife, please!'
  • Positive manipulation of the MAOA gene will help to Predict Happiness In Men
  • I'd be fascinated to learn what other characteristics this gene's presence (or absence) correlates with. Religiosity? Divorce? Teen pregnancy? Drug abuse? High IQ? High or low income? High or low education level? Conservatism or liberalism? Is it expressed more or less frequently among different ethnic groups?
  • by guttentag ( 313541 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:16PM (#41171449) Journal

    Sally Albright: Most women at one time or another have faked it.
    Harry Burns: Well, they haven't faked it with me.
    Sally Albright: How do you know?
    Harry Burns: Because I know.
    Sally Albright: Oh. Right. Thats right. I forgot. Youre a man.
    Harry Burns: What was that supposed to mean?
    Sally Albright: Nothing. Its just that all men are sure it never happened to them and all women at one time or other have done it so you do the math.

    The odds are the women were faking happiness during the study. You do the math. In the mean time, I'll have what she's having.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:29PM (#41171617)

    Happiness undoubtedly is largely a physiological characteristic of a person. The question is then, why didn't evolution sort the genes out so that we would be happy most of the time? The obvious answer is that happiness isn't a good thing for the survival of the individual.

    I believe we were "created" to strive to be happy, but we weren't "meant" to be happy except for some fleeting, orgastic moments. Happiness is the carrot, suffering is the stick that propels us to survive and procreate. Pain is there to make us suffer but so is love, which is definitely not meant to make us happy but rather sacrifice our wellbeing for that of another individual.

    Humans are constantly trying to cheat nature. Alcohol, opium, cocaine etc make us happy, so happy that we don't care if we starve, if we stink, if we contract a disease.

  • by RMingin ( 985478 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:56PM (#41171905) Homepage

    I thought this sounded familiar.

    MAOA = Monoamine Oxidase A.

    MAOI = Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor, a common class of antidepressant.

    So in people with low-expression (doesn't make much) genes for MAOA, they have less of this depression-causing gene, and are happier. For everyone else, have some of this over-prescribed medication!

    This sounds very much like "research" which was heavily funded by a pharmaceutical company that makes lots of MAOIs.

    Breaking news! People with fewer natural antidepressant genes are more depressed! Have some moclobemide!

    The only interesting thing for me here is that these MAOA genes seem to only work as described in women.

  • happy genes (Score:5, Funny)

    by indy_Muad'Dib ( 869913 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @04:13PM (#41172111) Homepage
    sadly the gene is 3 sizes too small and no one can fit into them.

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