Caffeine Linked To Lower Skin Cancer Risk 130
THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER writes "The curative effects of coffee continue to be discovered as the Harvard School of Public Health and Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital published a new study today that links caffeine consumption with reduced skin cancer rates. Quoting: 'The study of nearly 113,000 men and women found those who drank three or more cups of coffee a day had a 20 percent lower risk of basal cell carcinoma than those who said no to Joe. Caffeine in non-coffee substances was found equally effective. The cause is speculated to be related to caffeine's ability to "kill off damaged skin cells," said Dr. Josh Zeichner, assistant professor of dermatology at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. "If you get rid of these cells that are damaged, then they don't have the opportunity to grow and form cancers."'"
coffee (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, good, I was just about to turn down my caffeine IV drip. I suppose it's time to turn it up!
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I've yet to meet a construction worker or a landscaper who didn't live off of coffee
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Some day science will catch up to my coffee consumption.
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Hot off the press (Score:1)
A study published today linked the acceptance of funding from coffee cartels to the finding of health benefits of coffee consumption.
(More) News at ten.
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A study published today linked the acceptance of funding from coffee cartels to the finding of health benefits of coffee consumption.
(More) News at ten.
This! You rarely get similar exciting news about tea either killing you or giving you eternal life, makes me think I've chosen some kind of third world beverage... even alcohol gets the occasional "it's okay if you don't overdo it" so it has to have some first world banking behind it.
Re:Hot off the press (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think you have to target the Illuminati. Some people have been trying to shoot down caffeine forever. It's a drug, so it has to be bad. It makes people feel good, so it has to be bad.
Unfortunately for the Puritans, it turns out the coffee is pretty innocuous. But, like with another popular drug that's made out to be more dangerous than it is, a portion of the society will never accept the phrase 'better living through chemistry'.
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Have you tried Mormonism or Islam and perhaps moving? Pakistan may even enforce hardcore rehab by putting you to death for your cocaine nights.
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Unless you've been living under a rock, you get stories about the health benefit of tea all the time. Alcohol, too, though usually with caveats not backed up by the data. Nutritionists and public health people are generally ascetics, though, so stories about something that people like to consume being good for you are often downplayed or ignored.
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I guess tea just doesn't have that Good vs Evil side to when compared to caffeine to make those stories pop and when I hear 'superfoods' and 'antioxidants' it just registers as marketing lingo ("umbrella terms" under which you can drop just about anything).
Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps those drinking 3 cups a day are more likely to be in jobs where they are virtually chained to a desk, so they rarely see the sun and thus less skin cancer.
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Informative)
One more benefit of caffeine: it drives you away from hazards like fresh air and sun!
Sugar and caffeine will get you through anything.
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Funny)
Except Diabetes. And Sleep. Unless by through you mean through it awake.
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Well, the actual statement is: Donuts. Is there anything they canâ(TM)t do?
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the generic problem with observational studies. They often turn out to be flat out wrong when you finally end up doing a more controlled, blinded study. Going on people's recollection of what they did or did not consume is fraught with inaccuracy.
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Righto. One study proves approximately nothing, plus or minus almost nothing.
To me, this will be news when multiple studies consistently produce similar results.
Studies showing what I'm already doing is healthy (Score:3)
On the other hand, the placebo effect of believing in the health benefits of moderate coffee consumption are likely to far exceed the actual ones.
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:5, Funny)
In other news, those drinking more than 3 Piña Coladas a day were 20% more likely to get skin cancer. But it's worth it!
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With slashdot's lame formatting, I read that as the formula "(3 * Pi * A) ± a Coladas".
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Interesting)
Perhaps those drinking 3 cups a day are more likely to be in jobs where they are virtually chained to a desk, so they rarely see the sun and thus less skin cancer.
Normally I would agree with your line of thinking. But since coffee also has been show to cut the rates of liver cancer and Alzheimer. I would say that there are other functions at work here. All three seems to be, as the summary stated, related to the ability to kill off damaged cells before they do more damage.
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But since coffee also has been show to cut the rates of liver cancer and Alzheimer.
But that was shown to be about equally protective for regular and decaf. Then again, I've seen several studies which effectively assert 'coffee==caffeine' and never give a second thought to the hundreds of other compounds in the beverage. 'Scientists'...
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Coffee has also been shown to increase the risk of some types of cancer... but only if unfiltered (i.e. french press, espresso). I seem to recall filtering removes the oil responsible.
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Normally I would agree with your line of thinking. But since coffee also has been show to cut the rates of liver cancer and Alzheimer. I would say that there are other functions at work here
I haven't seen anything establishing a cause. There appears to be negative correlations between coffee and Alzheimer's, just as there is for nicotine use, but as far as I know, no causation. It could also be that early symptoms of plaque build-up lessens the craving for caffeine and/or nicotine, or there could be a myriad of other explanations.
In this case, I also wonder whether this was correlated with the propensity to (a) drink coffee, and (b) be exposed to sun. Scandinavians drink a heck of a lot mor
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But since coffee also has been show to cut the rates of liver cancer and Alzheimer. I would say that there are other functions at work here. All three seems to be, as the summary stated, related to the ability to kill off damaged cells before they do more damage.
My guess is that a lot of studies are actually measuring people's ability to metabolize caffeine, which is a function of the liver. If your liver enzymes are no longer able to metabolize much caffeine (or you're taking drugs that contraindicate caffeine), you not only quit drinking coffee but you're more likely to have other problems as well. I'd like to see the studies performed where the control group is strictly people who choose not to drink coffee for other reasons - i.e., Mormons.
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Interesting)
I think you're on to something.
Colder climates are cold because they receive less energy from the sun. Not that you can't get harmful doses of UV in the colder climates, it just takes longer. Colder climates also require more covering of arms, legs, and the head - thus further reducing the overall exposure to the UV rays from the sun.
Some people drink less coffee when it's warm out, and more coffee in the winter. And some people drink coffee only when it's dark in the mornings - again, the sign of living at higher latitudes.
Perhaps this study is simply revealing a correlation between people who drink coffee and living closer to the poles?
Re:Lots of coffee or caffeine = always indoors? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Actually you can get more of it. The ozone layer is thinner in the north. So sun-screen is even more important, even when it is not that hot.
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Coffee is popular in warm climates too. There's a big cafe culture in Australia. It's a popular drink all around the Mediterranean sea. The arabs invented the drink.
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Some sports drinks and (most?) soft drinks contain caffeine, products which are consumed by younger presumably more outgoing people that may have less chance to get skin cancer in the first place. So I don't know, having not read the actual journal article, how meaningful the correlations are. Maybe somebody should come up with a study linking Facebook to decreased/increased incidence of name-your-favorite-health-prob
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Missed the chocolate.
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What are the results when looking at people who drink decaffeinated coffee?
Well, when I look at them; queasiness, contempt and the unshakable conviction that I'll be staying up longer than they will.
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(i.e.: "sunlight" correlates to sleep patterns, sleepiness, and alertness.)
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the study included self-report sun exposure; the higher quintiles of caffeine consumption had very slightly higher sun exposure (but not significant).
something that struck me though, was that very high caffeine consumption (>600mg/day) was linked with heavy smoking (addicts are addicts across the board). i personally suspect that naively "compensating" for heavy smoking (by doing a non-causal regression) bled over into reduced cancer for the same group, as a statistical artifact. this is consistent with
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coffee and cigarettes go together like ebony and ivory.
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Prior studies on animal models have produced similar reductions in skin cancer associated with caffeine; the result in the article is not surprising. For example, here is a skin cancer study done with caffeine and mice:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120403142328.htm [sciencedaily.com]
No mice were chained to a desk for this study. I recall other stu
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Why are people who drink 3 cups of coffee a day more likely to have jobs where they are stuck indoors?
If you've ever been around a construction crew or on a farm, you'd know that they drink a whole lot of coffee.
Also, policemen, firemen and bike messengers.
First, remember that a "cup of coffee" is not necessarily the 32 oz super soy vente skinny c
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They did in fact control for a number of risk factors: "BMI, physical activity, smoking status, childhood reaction to sun, severe sunburns, moles, hair color, family history of melanoma, sun exposures at different age intervals, UV index, and history of nonskin cancer." If you have access through a university library or other source, here's [aacrjournals.org] the link to the actual article.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with you. I come from a long line of contractors, construction workers, and landscapers...these people drink a LOT of coffee...and often spend weeks toiling in the sun.
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Contradiction? (Score:1)
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everybody is telling me that caffeine gives me cancer
Only the State of California knows that.
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Thank you WELL_HUNG_OYSTER (Score:2, Redundant)
I am so glad that we have WELL_HUNG_OYSTER to inform us about this health benefit of caffeine.
What would we do wtihout WELL_HUNG_OYSTER?
Does caffeine even work on oysters?
Re:Thank you WELL_HUNG_OYSTER (Score:4, Funny)
THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER, please. It's not like he's just ANY_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER. He's the one.
"kill off damaged skin cells," (Score:4, Funny)
So maybe you should bathe in it rather than drink it?
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So maybe you should bathe in it rather than drink it?
Oh, man! I'll try it and get back to you!
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So maybe you should bathe in it rather than drink it?
You say that to be funny, but... http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/5a65/ [thinkgeek.com]
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that's how I drink it, the mouth is not enough, I drink it with every square millimetre of skin already ..s.d.zzzzzdr..RRRRR.wwdDDDD
Pastey white guy count? (Score:1)
I want to know how many NOC and IT folks are in that study... Perhaps a disproportionate amount?
Effing A ! ! ! (Score:2)
I wonder if it's an apples to apples comparision (Score:2, Insightful)
For example, lets say the caffeine drinkers are more likely to be basement mushrooms that don't go outside.
Then caffeine would correlate with lower skin cancer risks.
I hate statistical studies. They're only done correctly about 23.8 percent of the time. And only 12.4 percent of the time provide proper methodology. And then about 18.83 percent of them are completely fabricated.
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I hate statistical studies. They're only done correctly about 23.8 percent of the time. And only 12.4 percent of the time provide proper methodology. And then about 18.83 percent of them are completely fabricated.
And approximately 0.00274% (+- 0.00013% with 95% confidence) of Slashdot users ever bother to actually read the studies before they go on a tear about how bad they are.
Hold the phone (Score:5, Funny)
Caffeine in non-coffee substances was found equally effective.
Wait just a minute - let's not go injecting unproven pseudo-science into this discussion!
Coffee is a source of good caffeine. Some of those other substances contain bad caffeine.
-- Your friends on the Coffee Council
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Try gyokuro, you'll change your mind about "tea tends to have a much lower concentration of caffeine".
Research paid for by the coffee industry? (Score:2)
At least, that sounds like it would be the case here. Three or more cups of coffee a day will definitely leave you hooked, while there's still a good chance that you'll end up developing basal cell carcinoma anyway. In the long run, this is definitely a strategy that is better for the coffee industry than it is for you.
IMO, a much healthier and much cheaper way to protect yourself against skin cancer is with lycopene [wikipedia.org], which is commonly found in tomatoes. Tomato paste is an excellent source of this partic
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In the long run, this is definitely a strategy that is better for the coffee industry than it is for you.
Unless perhaps, you actually like coffee.
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In the long run, this is definitely a strategy that is better for the coffee industry than it is for you.
Unless perhaps, you actually like coffee.
Simply liking coffee doesn't make it any more healthy for you, or any less profitable for the coffee industry, or that you should be any more trusting of this research.
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You didn't say healthier. You said better. Doing things that I like is better for me than not doing those things. We're all going to die anyway, so the point is to fill the time you have with pleasure. Coffee is an excellent source of pleasure.
Besides, the research claiming that coffee is unhealthy is at least as dubious as the research claiming that coffee is healthy.
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You didn't say healthier. You said better.
Yes, I said better, but in the context of an alleged health benefit.
Doing things that I like is better for me than not doing those things. We're all going to die anyway, so the point is to fill the time you have with pleasure. Coffee is an excellent source of pleasure.
That is a common argument that drug addicts use to justify their destructive behavior. Yet when they eventually come face to face with the consequences of their old habits, they almost invariably have their regrets.
Coffee? Fine with me. I like it too, but am careful never to make it a habit. Like with so many things, moderation is they key. Pleasure? That's fine with me as well, but if you must overdo things and live the life of a sens
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That is a common argument that drug addicts use to justify their destructive behavior. Yet when they eventually come face to face with the consequences of their old habits, they almost invariably have their regrets.
Lovely logic you have there. Obviously people who quit drinking coffee are going to have negative opinions about it, otherwise they wouldn't have quit. Why don't you ask divorcees their opinion about marriage?
How so? What powerful lobby would be sponsoring research into coffee being unhealthy?
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... Obviously people who quit drinking coffee are going to have negative opinions about it, otherwise they wouldn't have quit. ...
Personally, my feelings about coffee are mixed. When dining out, I still prefer a cup of coffee after dessert, but I don't drink it at home or at work because I don't want it to become a habit. It once was a habit -- 2-3 cups a day at work -- but then I always got this splitting headache on Saturday afternoon. As soon as I found out that the coffee was to blame, I switched to drinking tea, which contains a lot less caffeine, and the problem went away.
I have the same attitude towards alcohol. I love a go
An associative hypothesis with a weak result (Score:5, Informative)
The only time you can take small changes seriously is when there are multiple sources and a proposed mechanism that is consistent with our previous understanding. "May help kill damaged cells" might be 100% correct, but it's not a mechanism, it's just the hypothesized result.
These kinds of studies are interesting but don't make too much out of them.
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Consider this when you hear that non-smokers exposed to second-hand smoke are 20% more likely to get lung cancer.
Oh, wait! That's only for studies we don't like!
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I think you missed this part:
In the case of passive smoking [wikipedia.org], there are ample studies confirming effects on lung and cardiovascular diseases, and the mechanism is pretty clear as well. The Wikipedia article mentions risk increases for he
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The mechanism is supposedly: Caffeine inhibits DNA damage checkpoint kinases, allowing cells with DNA damage to slip through the checkpoint mechanism which normally stops them dividing when damage is present (the G2/M checkpoint). So they progress to mitosis where they might divide into two new cells. The DNA structures formed by this damage, often caused by DNA replication which has stalled because it can't get past the damage, either cause the cells to die at this point (mitotic catastrophe) or may be dra
Did they consider... (Score:2)
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Basal Cell Carcinoma? Big deal... (Score:4, Informative)
Confidence Interval (Score:2)
Let me guess - in 19 other studies on the same group no effect was observed at to a 95% confidence.
Funny how if you tiddle with the words a bit.... (Score:1)
Both sides of the coin (Score:1)
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And technically caffeine is a toxic alkaloid, so.
Yep, and it is also occasionally pointed out that most vitamins are toxic compounds. They're typical textbook examples of the "J-shaped response curve", required for good health in tiny quantities, but with seriously negative consequenses in overdose quantities.
Google can find you lots of info about the fatal dosage for caffeine. It's generally estimated as an LD50 of around 150 mg/kg, which (depending on your weight) is on the order of 100 to 200 cups of regular coffee. So if you keep your consumption
Why on slashdot? (Score:2)
It's not like we ever go outside or anything...
Coffee linked to (indoor) office jobs (Score:2)
Coffee linked to indoor office jobs where exposure to the sun is minimal. Minimal exposure to the sun linked to reduced risk for skin cancer.
Tsk.
Fountain of Youth (Score:1)
The ideal thing to do then... (Score:1)
Coffee also a source of dietary fiber (Score:2)
The good news about the one of world's most popular delivery systems for the world's most popular psychoactive drug keeps coming: http://dietaryfiberguide.com/high-fiber-foods/dietary-fiber-coffee/ [dietaryfiberguide.com] .
Do Your Nuts Hang Inside or Outside Your Shell? (Score:3)
SCREENSHOT OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN! (Score:1)
I'm tired of all these stupid studies on 'beneficial effect of.."
People have been talking about red wine for years but the original study that started it all hasnt been duplicated.
Just look at another topic of the day regarding retractions.
THESE STUDIES ARE NOW A MONEY_MAKING INDUSTRY AND SHOULD BE IGNORED UNLESS WIDELY REPEATED!
It is caffeine alone that sets my mind in motion. (Score:2)
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haha
Re:if only I could... (Score:5, Funny)
No, you're supposed to take it orally.
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http://www.tgaw.com/images/SpeakEasy/ThreeStooges.JPG [tgaw.com]
"Here's what happens when all the [cancers] try to get in the door all at once"
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Er, did you read the part where it says "Caffeine linked to lower skin cancer risk"...?
Re:Causation =/= Correlation (Score:4, Insightful)
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That's the point. The study doesn't appear to control for these things.