World Cup Prediction Failures 312
pdcull writes "We all read on Slashdot about the investment banks using their massive computer power and clever modeling techniques to predict the FIFA World Cup outcome. Now that Goldman Sachs's, UBS's and Danske Bank's favorite, Brazil, has been eliminated, and with JP Morgan's England long gone, the question that begs to be asked is: can we really trust these guys to predict the financial markets any better than they did World Cup?"
Look at the numbers first (Score:5, Informative)
Goldman Sachs gave Brazil (the "favorite") only a 13% chance of winning the world cup.
The fact that Brazil was eliminated is not at odds with the reports.
Re:The world is still interesting (Score:3, Informative)
Economics does not rely on perfect knowledge and perfect actors. It relies on modeling the real world as best as possible, and you know what? Models usually include abstract representations, and abstract representations include idealized actions.
With regard to the story, it's laughable to think that financial market predictions are anything like sports predictions. These teams are made up of players who don't play together during regular seasons; they're generally on different teams in Europe. How is it news that analyzing various productivity and growth forecasting statistics will fail to predict who wins a 1-0 soccer game?
Re:We have to! (Score:4, Informative)
The predictions involve confidence (Score:1, Informative)
Well, I think everyone would agree that no prediction is perfect, and all of them have a certain confidence interval associated with any prediction. For example, I find it very disappointing and deceiving to say that Goldman's favorite is out, because the teams they predicted second most likely and third most likely to win the thing are still in it.
Football worldcup predictions (Score:1, Informative)
Its very hard to predict about any game especially football. Beacuse just one mistake can change everything and good team can also loose.
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Re:We have to! (Score:3, Informative)
Paul the Octopus did a better job of predicting the results than they did.
Re:We have to! (Score:5, Informative)
Some people have this idea that bankers and investors have an almost godlike knowledge of the world and the future.
On forums which attract financial types I'll see people dismissing stocks on the basis that "of course if they were really more valuable the traders would have snapped then up".
It's as if they don't realize that the traders are operating on almost no information in some cases. living across the street from a company and being able to count the trucks going in and out will often put you ahead of the traders in terms of real information.
Re:We have to! (Score:2, Informative)