


Bill to Require Open Access to Scientific Papers 213
Ponca City, We Love You writes "Congress is expected to vote this week on a bill requiring investigators funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to publish research papers only in journals that are made freely available within one year of publication. Until now, repeated efforts to legislate such a mandate have failed under pressure from the well-heeled journal publishing industry and some nonprofit scientific societies whose educational activities are supported by the profits from journals that they publish. Scientists assert that open access will speed innovation by making it easier for them to share and build on each other's findings. The measure is contained in a spending bill that boosts the biomedical agency's effective budget by 3.1%, to $29.8 billion in 2008. The open-access requirement in the bill would apply only during fiscal year 2008; it would need to be renewed in yearly spending bills in the future."
Re:clever wording (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, not a terrible great idea.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Though in theory the idea sounds great, the issue becomes that there aren't too many open-access journals that are prestigious. This is partly because of the high cost of maintaining scientific peer review. Anybody managing a journal must keep enlist reviewers, make sure reviewers review, edit, do layout, maintain a highly dynamic website and a bunch of other expensive tasks. It makes sense then that there should be a way for journals to recoup their expenses. I don't think forcing top authors to publish in lesser known journals is the way.
A better solution, I feel, would be to ensure that the (NIH grant winning) authors pay an up-front cost to ensure open-access for their articles. Most of the big name publishing groups I'm familiar with (i.e. Science, Nature, Elsevier, etc.) allow this. The cost is usually not prohibitive (~1000 USD) and would be a better solution for ensuring that the science paid for by government agencies is open to everyone.
Re:Sorry, not a terrible great idea.. (Score:2, Insightful)
fixed that for you.
Re:Not so easy (Score:5, Insightful)
Funded by NIH - paid for by the people (Score:3, Insightful)
If the people have already paid for the development (through NIH funding) then who should benefit from the patent?
The whole ethics of patenting is a seperate subject, but in general, I'd think that if public money funded the development then the fruits should be put in the public domain.
Yearly? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:horrible idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:horrible idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Is access really that restricted now? (Score:3, Insightful)
"Open access" means "author pays" (Score:5, Insightful)
1) "Open access" sounds great, but you have to realize that "open access" means "author pays." Someone has to cover the journal expenses. Right now, it's largely the library budgets of research universities that fund journals, as they take out expensive institutional subscriptions. (Individual subscriptions generally lose money, by comparison.) Once a journal goes open access, the libraries drop their subscriptions and journal revenue plummets. To make up that money, journals have to raise the publication fees they charge authors dramatically. So "open access" just moves the barrier from access to publication. We have interests in attracting more international authors, and when we told these authors, particularly those from developing countries, what it would cost to publish in an open access journal, they said there was no way.
2) There's a perception that open access is cheap, because a lot of journals are only charging around $1000 or so to make a single article open access. But the fact is that those journals are radically underpricing open access. They can do that because right now, only a few of the articles in each issue are open access, so the research libraries aren't dropping their institutional subscriptions just yet. So at the moment, that $1k is just gravy for the journal. But if you actually price out what it costs to publish a journal article, it's 3-10 times what they're charging. So once the scientific publishing world really shifts to open access, those journals are either going to sink or have to boost drastically their open access fees.
Re:horrible idea (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not so easy (Score:5, Insightful)
Great! but will happen anyway .. here's why (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:bullshit (Score:2, Insightful)
The argument that the legislation will force journals to go open access might have some merit; however, I don't foresee t. The costs needed to maintain these journals, however, will have to come out of somewhere.
Re:horrible idea (Score:3, Insightful)
"2000 science-hours! We have already reached half that!"
"Good, then we will be assured of our grant next month!"
The point is...the free market is best (not perfect, but best) at directing funds to the 'best' research.
If research were centrally funded, how would one decide which to fund? How would one pick a decider?
Re:drug patents don't work out economically (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not so easy (Score:3, Insightful)
If all the costs are moved to the publication side, then the finished result can be read by world and dog essentially cost free. Isn't it just an accounting shell game how the money required for quality publication is funneled into that process?
Perhaps the problem is that the supporting institutions will essentially perform a money grab, but not decreasing overhead ratios charged to the scientist in proportion to their decreased cost in journal subscriptions which much eventually follow once the majority of papers have become open access. Am I wrong, or is this not just a short term accounting glitch?
I see no reason why open access should necessarily imply that less is spent on preparing a quality publication in the first place.
Re:horrible idea (Score:3, Insightful)
If you work for the public for less than you'd work for substantially less than you'd work for a corporation, then either you're very generous or you're a fool. But it's not the NIH's fault if you underbid yourself.
The point of funding basic research with public money is because it's generally not profitable. If there's profit to be made as the result of it, maybe you should be looking for industrial funding instead. But since it's generally assumed to not be the sort of thing you can patent and turn into a revenue stream, there ought not be a lot of problem putting it into the public domain.
What you seem to be asking for is to have your cake and eat it, too: you want the public to pay for your research, but then you want to own it at the end, and prevent the public from getting what it paid for. Sorry, but I don't think it should work that way. If you want to own the results of your research, and you think it has profit potential, go find some venture capitalists. The public's purse is not your bank.