Method of Reading Discovered 181
Scientists have discovered that the method our eyes use to process letters on a page is different than previously believed. Instead of assimilating one letter at a time our eyes actually lock on to two different letters simultaneously about half the time. "The team's results demonstrated that both eyes lock on to the same letter 53% of the time; for 39% of the time they see different letters with uncrossed eyes; and for 8% of the time the eyes are crossing to focus on different letters. A follow-up experiment with the eye-tracking equipment showed that we only see one clear image when reading because our brain fuses the different images from our eyes together."
Frsit Psot (Score:5, Funny)
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Yaeh, it's prttey amaizng taht as lnog as the begnning and the enidng of the wrod are coerrct taht you can raed it at alomst full speed.
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Yeah, I can tell what it's intended to say, but it still doesn't mean I'd accept stuff like that. It's almost as bad as text-message writing.
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Maybe my memory is bad, but didn't scientists use to think we read the whole word at the same time, unless it was unusallly long and unfamiliar? In which case, we read it a syllable at a time. Reading skill was measured more or less in how many syllables one could ingest at the same time.
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This is an interesting followup to that research.
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I recently got a book on speed-reading.
One of those "as seen on TV" type.
I thought I'd give it a try, if only to see what I'm doing wrong.
Then I found out I could have written that book: it only teaches lousy readers stuff people who have had enough reading practice learned by themselves.
One of the first things in the book is testing your own reading speed. And the book says an average American should score about 200-250 words per minute, as calculated by the provided formula.
So I tested myself. And si
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Yeah, well, the title doesn't suggest that...
Guess that's really no news here ;)
flawed in the first place (Score:5, Interesting)
In other words, this study was flawed in the first place. Our eyes don't look at individual letters, they look at groups at a time. I learned this in high school....
Re:flawed in the first place (Score:5, Interesting)
And yet those extra letters are important.
Bt yu cn lv ot innr vwls and stll be mstly rdble.
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That's been known since cuneiform times at the very least.
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BTW, ancient Hebrew has no vowels.
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BTW, ancient Hebrew has no vowels.
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No, you could read it at approximately one tenth of the speed you'd normally read a line.
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Bullshit. I read it at full speed and marveled at being able to do so. Whether it was tweaked over the various UL iterations to allow me to do so is another story entirely.
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The surprise from being able to read what at first glance looks like nonsense is indeed a surprise, and that masks the effort that actually went into i
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I didn't measure it, so I'll amend my assertion to "I didn't have any noticeable difficulty reading the jubmled snetcenes." (I also see that if I changed that last word to "snetcesne" it would've been more difficult to parse the fact that it was a plural word.)
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"Bnikaerg-dwon"pemenohs allacitamotuy, aletaruccy? (Score:5, Informative)
Seriously, try this one, Mr. Wizard:
From http://www.gobiged.com/wfdata/frame265-1059/pressrel45.asp [gobiged.com]Re:"Bnikaerg-dwon"pemenohs allacitamotuy, aletaruc (Score:2, Funny)
In my defense, I must say it was really hard to proofread.
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Re:"Bnikaerg-dwon"pemenohs allacitamotuy, aletaruc (Score:2)
By the way, I've never seen your example before and the only word I had trouble with was "Adults" in the first sentence. Once I saw it repeated, however, the context made sense and it was fairly obvious what the paragraph was saying. As for children "basically gue
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have been learning to read.'
Er, well, not for those taught phonics. To us, ALL words consist of recognisable parts, and we almost never have to make a wild guess at the meaning; rather, we can judge probable meaning by those parts we CAN decipher. Which means we're never entirely lost, even in a sea of unfamilar words.
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Sounding out a word doesn't automatically create some sort of magical understanding of meaning, though it can occasionally help. As for "we're never entirely lost, even in a sea of unfamiliar words" I'd wager that's about equivalent for children taught
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I have an 11 year old daughter and she has been in 4 different school systems (we move a lot) and was only taught "whole language" reading in one place (supplemented by phonics at home when she was 3 and 4) so I wasn't aware it was a big issue. The only other kids I know that were taught "whole language" method were in that particular school district and they didn't seem to be hav
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When I RTFA, my first thought was -- Oh, that explains "letters crawl around" dyslexics; their brain doesn't re-integrate the letter groups properly.
I'm also reminded o
whole language failure (Score:2)
So she went and looked at the recipe herself, and it called for walnuts. She was like, "Q, this says 'Walnuts', not 'Pecans'." Cousin Q responded that they were both nuts, and didn't get why it was important.
My mom talked to her mother in law, who got
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Don't really understand (Score:2)
Where did you get the form from
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Actually, it appears as though our brain does like the inverse of how a fractal is generated. Fractals get more detail until you quit. Our brain gets the outline of the text, and context, and other things, and then gets the meaning of what is said. THAT IS WHY CAPS ARE HARDER TO READ. The letters are the same, but the spacing between characters and their height helps us.
Also, I thought this was old
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This is nothing exciting and certainly isn't news.
Braille (Score:2)
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I learnt about evolution in primary school. That doesn't mean it is an invalid subject for scientific investigations. Especially when the results directly contradict what you thought you knew:
The team's results demonstrated that both eyes lock on to the same letter 53% of the time
Maybe the fact the eyes do something differently to the higher brain functions is important, maybe not. I was aware of the same corny jokes as you, but had no idea they had such detail on what
Anchor Man Reference (Score:2, Funny)
I thought we already knew this. (Score:2, Interesting)
I could have sworn we knew this was where dyslexic came from, that you see two letters that don't end up in the right order in your head.
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"Miss on YOU pister. You aren't so MUCKing FUTCH. Why don't you go in your jack yard and back off."
Of course, that got me into trouble a few times. Once, I hailed out to my mom that this TV movie, starring Elizabeth Montgomery, was starting. I said, "Ohh, mom, it's that lady from Webitched".
She scrambled over to me and yelled that she had told me switching words around would
Non-alphabetic systems? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I have no trouble with the scrambled-up examples higher up, except for a couple words where they got overzealous.
It's also worth noting that I'm a computer programmer and avid reader, so I read all day, every day. I might not be t
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Korean (Hangul) is an alphabetic system. The study might be really interesting there because Korean letters are always aggregated in blocks of two or three letters. It's part of the way they write. I have no idea if Koreans read these blocks as one.
It's also a cool system because it was designed from scratch and follows a number of logical rules that makes it comparatively easy to learn (the alphabet... no
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Detailed but not News . . . (Score:4, Interesting)
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Typographers knew it, too... (Score:2)
Combined with earlier news this year. (Score:4, Interesting)
It's always seemed pretty apparent to me that we don't reach letters in "correct order" by focusing only on a single one at a time. If that were the case things like speed-reading and scanning for content would be nearly impossible. Outside confirmation of this is nice however.
The real question is how much redundancy can we remove from printed words for faster information dispersal while still expressing things clearly. Sure, having everything spelled correctly and in long form is great for books for pleasure (art) but do we really need it for basic information sharing? Especially if doing so increases the time spent needlessly?
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It's always seemed pretty apparent to me that we don't reach letters in "correct order" by focusing only on a single one at a time. If that were the case things like speed-reading and scanning for content would be nearly impossible. Outside confirmation of this is nice however.
Well then, despite your remarkable intelligence, you missed the point of the article, which was contained in its first two paragraphs.
It's not about where you "focus". It's about the fact that your two eyes look at different letters simultaneously while you read.
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The real question is how much redundancy can we remove from printed words for faster information dispersal while still expressing things clearly. Sure, having everything spelled correctly and in long form is great for books for pleasure (art) but do we really need it for basic information sharing? Especially if doing so increases the time spent needlessly?
I think that would be redundant, or even counter-productive.
Our brains eliminate superfluous information automatically. However, something you find redundant may be necessary to me, e.g. because I speak a different first language (pulling a parallel with phonetic systems). Therefore it may mean a bit less work for some, and a lot more work for everyone else.
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I'm left with a tough choice for the more appropriate response:
1. f u.
2. GTFOML!!!
Ugh. IM speak.
I don't know why, but I value capitalization and complete words / sentences in my reading. Usenet was my first exposure to 'u' substituting for 'you'. It drove me nuts, and it just got worse from th
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so y r u so srios abut abbr and LC typing????!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Honestly, it is a wonder she didn't clock you upside your head with the shift key gift. Talk about being just a skosh insensitive. And this coming from a guy.
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Hmm... that could explain the headaches (Score:3, Interesting)
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Didn't try that with more than 85Hz though; anyway it's pointless since LCDs don't blink at all.
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reading is a process of pattern recognition. (Score:3, Insightful)
This has been known for a very long time.
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What's the regex syntax like?
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I can read a whole book at once.
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Take this example...
"Reading is a rocess of pattern recognize. We recognition and assembly patterns of letters/symbols and then association tho patterns with meaning. Shome people can reconi larcher patterns at a time, other people can only reconi shorter patterns. Mot people moo passed the "processing a single letter at a time" stage of pattern reconize at a young age. Personally, I read whole multiple words or even short sentences at a time."
That modifying I did to your dialog is how
Ligatures (Score:3, Insightful)
That explains it! (Score:4, Funny)
Fusing images (Score:4, Insightful)
There is no internal 'viewscreen' that the brain displays the images on. (a so called "cartesian theater" [wikipedia.org] ) after all, if that happens, who is watching the screen and how does that work ?
Instead of an internal 'framebuffer' I think* it's more like a MVC kind of system. Instead of pasting parts of images on an internal framebuffer to make up a whole, the individual parts are used to fill the datamodel of the world you've got inside your head. You 'see' the datamodel.
* - This is all just a bit of philosophizing on my side, I may be completely wrong.
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Dyslexia (Score:3, Interesting)
Dan East
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You've reminded me of a law firm where I once worked. It was one of those international prestigious, original-art-on-the-walls kind of places. One of the regular receptionists, it turns out, suffered from dyslexia. Not a quality one would want in someone whose job it is to take and give out names and numbers. To make things worse, she was a native or Rochester, New York. The sound of her accent was something like you'
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No. NO. (Score:4, Informative)
While the issue of eye position is interesting, we are NOT focusing on a letter. We are not reading letters, much less looking at them.
Hold you arm out. Raise your thumb. Look at it. The space of the back of your thumb, at that distance is special. That's your fovea -- the area of your eye which has the greatest acuity. When you read, depending on font size and text distance, that area covers multiple lines of text, and usually more than one word. Focusing on a letter means picking that letter as a point in the text, and seeing the areas around it.
A strong reader is picking up both the words below and left and right of the word he/she is reading at that fraction of a second.
Yes, it's interesting to ask where we fixate. Yes, it's VERY interesting that we go crosseyed and that begs the question of whether we do it systematically to reduce the amount of new data which is common in both foveas, either to increase speed by processing both independently, or to reduce the amount in common and thus reduce the load that reading takes (you'd possibly see that in a "difficult" or unfamiliar word). However, we do NOT look at letters. They're just a spot.
Someone asked here about other languages, do we do the same thing for Kanji, Hangul, etc.? Is suspect that things might be different there, as I suspect that this behavior that they've found is strongly connected with syllable boundaries in English. However, eye-trackers are notoriously inaccurate (unless you're willing to have a coil surgically implanted in your eye, and even then, it ain't fantastic) and so their letter accuracy information must come from AVERAGES ACROSS MULTIPLE OBSERVATIONS. This should lead us to ask what their dataset was and what behavior they saw on specific character clusters. (That, in turn leads us to question if they got enough data to get much accuracy on those clusters.)
It would be nice to see the original article, as opposed to this fluff piece.
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You could probably reduce this error though by putting features on the page of text that let the eye track better than vast areas of white. For instance if the same shape and size text was engraved in natural wood the ey
Worst RTFA ever (Score:2)
headache... (Score:2)
I need to go home now.
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For people with only 1 working eye? (Score:2)
Overthinking (Score:2)
This is interesting research, but the conclusions seem hasty.
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Re: Dotters reading articles (Score:4, Funny)
39% of the time they begin posting comments without reading the article at all.
8% of the time they read the wrong article entirely and post anyway.
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I think good, fast, accurate reading comes from developing the ability to recognize words, and eventually sentences and paragraphs, as discrete compound glyphs that have an associative meaning, rather than as a composition of a series of sounds.
This is the way I read, and I am a very fast reader compared to most and quite possibly all other people I have met.
I am also known by all my fri
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In any case, the different models of comprehension you present sound plausible, but I'm thinking some people would prefer one over the other because it fits with their pattern of thinking. Similar to how some people learn best when told, oth
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And if I need to spell something, I have a lot more luck if I write it down to see the entire "glyph", rather than thinking about the individual letters.
On a related side note, this has got me thinking about how I spell when I type. I've realized that I don't think of the letters so much as I think of patterns that I move my fingers through. Our brains are a strange strange beast...
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Posting only to say that it's great to find someone else who functions in a similar way. I read from a very early age and learned a lot of my words from books rather than conversation. I think one further advantage of this approach is that I can make very educated guesses at the meaning of words and how to spell them, based on an understanding of their origins or close relations. That couldn't be easily replicated by anyone who functioned by translating them into sounds. I also find that a much slower appr
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How convenient for you that the superior of these methods of reading comprehension happens to be the one which validates your own intelligence.
I ha
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Switching around letters or removing them from English
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