Warming a Tiny Piece of Mars For Terraforming 205
dptalia writes "It's been a dream of science fiction writers everywhere that we would eventually terraform Mars. Now an engineering student has proposed a way to terraform only a kilometer of Mars. By building an array of space based mirrors to focus the sun's light, a small area of Mars could be warmed to about 68 degrees Fahrenheit (20 degrees Celsius) which would make it easier for explorers to work and live there. Since Mars' atmosphere is thin, the mirrors would have to be carefully designed to prevent them from reflecting harmful radiation as well as light and warmth."
Water? (Score:5, Interesting)
Wouldn't the melted ice boil away at 68 some odd degress on Mars? Or do they plan on heating up a kilometer sized pressurized dome?
Maybe not "heavily insulated", but certainly pressurized. Working "more easily" is still not easy.
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This is useless. The whole idea is just silly.
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Doesn't seem like that stupid of an idea to me.
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stupid, ignorant, arrogance.
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Disposal of waste heat is one of the 3 major issues in spacesuit design. This includes Mars suits. Maintaining body/lung pressure, oxygen supply and shedding heat. Other stuff (flexibility, duration, ruggedness) derives largely from these requirements. Mechanical Counter-pressure suits (MCP) will alleviate a lot of these issues on Mars, but I don't think reflected mirrors will matter that much for human EVA.
Mirrors could be useful for m
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Plants (Score:3, Interesting)
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I just thinking plants might need to eat.
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Nuclear reactors are big and heavy, and have to be landed.
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Nuclear Energy (Score:2, Insightful)
However, they definitely used to do it - look at Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites for example - they were equipped with RTG generators. And I th
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I thought the problem was the geodynamic thing... (Score:2)
Re:I thought the problem was the geodynamic thing. (Score:2, Informative)
> a magneosphere that would prevent solar winds from blowing away an atmosphere?
There are several problems. Mars does not have enough mass to hold an Earth-like atmosphere, for one thing. The article title is misleading, because it's not really talking about terraforming in the traditional "you can take off your helmet and breathe freely" sense. It's just talking about a measure that would make exploration of
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Start The Reactor (Score:3, Funny)
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Whoa (Score:5, Funny)
Now, if we're talking about a square kilometer of Mars, that'd be a different matter...
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I'm raisin' me up a crop of dental floss, with my zircon encrusted tweezers glintin' in the moonlight...
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Arizona State University is NOT in "Tuscon, US" (Score:4, Informative)
hmm (Score:2)
Whoops! (Score:3, Funny)
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To prevent harmful radiations (Score:3, Interesting)
I know.... (Score:3, Funny)
Always looking for a way to make real that Martian rave you've always been planning, eh?
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Re:To prevent harmful radiations (Score:4, Informative)
Not making fun, it's just that there's a reason we use quartz or NaCl sample jars for UV spectroscopy... but I don't think regular glass blocks xrays, though.
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Gamma radiation!? WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)
> Woida points out another potential problem. If not carefully designed, the mirrors could focus harmful high-frequency radiation like gamma rays onto the surface.
Woida, if you've got a way to make mylar balloons capable of reflecting gamma rays onto a single focal point, there are some guys in the DoE and the DoD who would like to talk to you, and they pay way better than NASA.
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That's what makes me wonder why anyone took this guy seriously in the first place. Fortunately, NASA is only giving him a token amount:
He received $9000 to study the idea from the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) in Atlanta, Georgia, US. [...] In his concept study, Woida will work
Toast (Score:3, Interesting)
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As for the test you reference, they couldn't figure out what was wrong at first. Mars most certainly has wicked dust storms. Then they added sand. Then the dust bounces right up. There's also an electrostatic effect from dust devils (created by localized heating) which is amplified by the thin atmosphere (nice article in Science News about it).
Of course the dust could reduce heating at
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Still, for the same reason you ask how much heating it would take to raise the temperature of the air, I wonder how much the air temperature really matters. The scant atmosphere on Mars just doesn't have the thermal capacity to be real problem or benefit, I wouldn't think (I could be wrong, of course).
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Bigger temperature difference than a hurricane (Score:2)
Related (Score:3, Interesting)
This and a big hole will get you a cup of coffee (Score:3, Informative)
*I call this Robinson's idea only because Red Mars is where I encountered it - I have no idea who actually came up with it.
Terraform Earth (Score:3, Insightful)
There's plenty of pretty hostile environments here we could start to practice on, but I rarely see anything indicating we're doing much beyond putting good air conditioning units in new houses in Lancaster so we can build layer 60 of suburbia around LA....
Genesis Effect? (Score:2)
Like suppose we had this array that could heat up a Martian neighborhood from -80C to 20C.
Imagine what it could do if we pointed it at Earth city which were already at 30-35C!
Green Zone here we come!
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I never understood people who say we should "terraform" places on our planet. By the very definition, that's impossible. Our planet is already formed like terra.
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Tornado (Score:5, Interesting)
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Huricane (Score:2)
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A mighty wind (Score:2)
Earth II (Score:3, Insightful)
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I could rattle off any number of purely hypothetical scenarios unsupported by any existing facts. We're talking about the real plan to terraform Mars before we've even checked it for existing life. The issue of whether Mars or Earth should be chosen to survive is nothing but SF. And even there, a no brainer worth discussing only in a pulp novel.
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scientific error (Score:5, Interesting)
There's at least one scientific error in the article, which is that it talks about the risk of inadvertently focusing gamma rays with a mirror. You can't focus gamma rays with a mirror. A typical gamma, with an energy of 1 MeV, interacts with matter mainly via Compton scattering. At the low-energy end of the gamma spectrum (say 10 keV) it's mostly the photoelectric effect, while at the high end (10 MeV) it's pair production. None of these process obey the law of specular reflection. This would be a more legitimate concern with UV.
I also wondered about the idea of melting water to form lakes on the surface. Mars's atmosphere is so thin that it would be considered a pretty decent vacuum by Earth standards. Won't the water boil off pretty rapidly in a near-vacuum at 30 degrees C?
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Definitely, in organic we used buchner funnels to filter materials with a vacuum assist and it was impressive to watch water boiling by being heated with body heat because I was hold the flask in my hand. I think that on Mars a person might actually be able to freeze to death no matter what the air temperature is because each gram of body fluids boiling away take 500 calories with it. The depth of skin that is actually able to hold fl
How low can we go? (Score:2)
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According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], the athmospheric pressure of Mars is only 0.7-0.9 kPa.
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to see what it would be like to breathe on Mars without a pressure suit, try exhaling through a hose exiting in water 8.3 feet deep.
Putting this idea into good use on Earth (Score:3, Interesting)
In addition to the general comfort provided by more warmth and sunlight, there is actually a huge environmental benefit. A 20 degree increase in temperatures for a large metro area would significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions and conserve plenty of fuel that would have been used for heating.
The money spent heating homes and businesses in the north are not insignificant, the last numbers I saw for Ohio indicated that statewide yearly natural gas expenses are about $1.5-$2 billion. (To be fair, you can reduce those costs in other ways as well, but using a solar array to redistribute/magnify solar light during winter has secondary benefits that geothermal heating do not.
Keep in mind, I'd only propose this for the urban areas, and not the rural areas, where I understand agricultural fields might need time to chill during winter.
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Living and growing up in NY I know one other fact. Winter is the most dangerous, when the temperatures hover around freezing. That is when Ice storms and mas
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And dumping significant amounts of heat higher up in the atmosphere won't have any detrimental effect? (The atmosphere is not 100% transparent to visible light - thus some of the light you reflect to the surface
New England (Score:3, Funny)
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Greenhouse! (Score:2)
forget Mars... (Score:2)
With all its CO2 all it requires is a bit of Hydrogen to start making water. The best way to get sustainable hydrogen is to get the planet spinning so that it can form its own magnetic field which would start trapp
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Yay. Suffocating ourselves is definitely going to sort things out.
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Gamma Rays (Score:2)
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if you weant to warm up mars (Score:2)
Use a tranlucent yellow material and it will focus energy towards mars.
because it is domed, and it's diameter will be larger then the diameter of mars, you will gt more light per Sq. Meter.
You also have the added effect of a layer of protect from harmfull energies coming from the sun.
Absurdity (Score:2)
Second, how is this any better than a pressurized dome? It would certainly cost more and take more effort.
A Geodesic dome has a distinct advantage in that the larger the dome the smaller the apparent structures. In other words
A Physics question (Score:2)
Why not just build a 1km^2 greehouse enclosure? (Score:2)
Greenhouses are "localized terraforming" in the same sense as this proposal, would not require giant orbital mirrors to be precisely aligned, and would be far more efficient because the environment would be more contained against losses of heat and atmosphere into the ambient surroundings.
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There's probably a UFO/ancient astronauts/etc site that claims that we are in the middle of such a cycle, but don't know it yet.
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Hell, no! (Score:2)
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2006 called, and it's still funny.
Class - I like it (Score:2)
Priceless - you made my day..
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We could also build a transportation device - a "space bridge", if you will - that would beam these "energy cubes" (we need a slightly more futuristic sounding name for these, btw) to the surface of Mars. If we decided we needed more energy on Mars, we could simply build an even bigger space bridge that would let us bring Mars into orbit around Earth,
All too well... (Score:2)
I remember them all too well. With loathing.
Bradbury doesn't write science fiction. He writes mainstream fiction using science fiction idioms.
The primary distinction is the central message:
Science fiction is the art of technologists. The central message is "You can always fix or improve things if you think about them clearly and carefully. That's what you're SUPPOSED to do. And that's what will make you happy and your life good." Dystopias are