Physicists Close in on 'Superlens' 199
An anonymous reader writes "In Oregon, physicists have developed a material for creating a real superlens that in theory could attain a one-nanometer visual resolution. The idea is to use exotic materials to create "negative" refraction of light, which literally means steering it in the opposite direction of that found in the natural world."
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These would be nice! (Score:4, Interesting)
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-Daniel
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BTW TFA has no information about what material/technology does this use. Anyone got links?
Re:These would be nice! (Score:3, Interesting)
No, c is the absolute limit. Nothing -- not even light -- can go faster than c. (It's lower-case c.) Perhaps you're confused about phase velocity [wikipedia.org]. (Also, if it were possible that the velocity of light in this material were higher than c, then its refractive index would be less than one, but never negative.)
I don't know what the original research actually was, but this article is crap. I can't understand wh
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This could open an entirely new door in the study of atomic particles.
Or pr0n.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanning_tunneling_m
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They've been around (Score:5, Informative)
Incidentally, people will find better information by searching for "left-handed" and "metamaterial" rather than "negative index" on the various sites.
More information about their work (Score:5, Informative)
Re:More information about their work (Score:2)
From Podolskiy's web page:
"Why study the NIMs? First and foremost, these materials are unique in a number of ways. Thus, they literary reverse some of the well-known fundamentals of modern optics."
Oops.
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The blue lines represent the path taken by light. The red lines represent the surface of the material.
The MPEGs might be worthwhile as well. I couldn't take the time to view them because of my dog-slow web access here at work.
And to clarify on the importance of these developments... No, left-handed materials are not really "new" in either theory or in practical use. What i
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Negative Refraction (Score:5, Interesting)
(for instnace, in a dispersive plasma cloud)
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So what is this non-natural world? (Score:5, Insightful)
Anybody who has ever done a university course on optics and so has come across phenomena like double refraction, which is truly weird the first time you see it, will know that there are plenty of strange things in optics. But that doesn't make them unnatural.
Re:So what is this non-natural world? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So what is this non-natural world? (Score:2, Funny)
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KFG
Re:So what is this non-natural world? (Score:2)
Re:So what is this non-natural world? (Score:2, Insightful)
Since when are we not part of the natural world?
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What about zone plates? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What about zone plates? (Score:5, Informative)
- INSANE chromatic abberation (linear z-dispersion with wavelenght)
- Multiple orders of refraction (the spot that has the 1st order in focus also shows the higher orders unfocused, so the effective spot is MUCH larger)
- VERY low efficiency (talk about 1/100ths of the photons to actually get where they are supposed to)
They are nice were there is nothing else available (or possible because of beamline restrictions, like when there is no space for glancing angle mirrors &co), but sadly they arent that good...
E=MC^2, yo. (Score:3, Interesting)
Does this mean that in this 'superlens' light will speed up as it enters, traveling faster than the established speed of light?
Re:E=MC^2, yo. (Score:2, Interesting)
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Its even stranger... (Score:3, Interesting)
A negative index of refraction would strickly speaking mean the photons are moving backwards when entering...
Re:Its even stranger... (Score:4, Informative)
It should also be noted that these negative index materials rely on resonant behaviour, and are consequently highly dispersive.
Re:E=MC^2, yo. (Score:2, Insightful)
the method to finding how light travels which i've always used is to build wavefronts each c/(f*n) apart and see what happens (of course, you have to build a lot of wavefronts, but eve
Re:E=MC^2, yo. (Score:3, Funny)
Dude, most people here don't even read TFAs.
KFG
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Re:E=MC^2, yo. (Score:2, Informative)
The ramifications of this technology are very large, not just for the optical realm, but for other frequencies also.
Not lenses - diffraction compensators! (Score:5, Informative)
A very similar thing is dispersion compensation in fiber-optical communications where the dispersion of one fiber is compensated in another with dispersion of opposite sign. This way, a signal can go through the two fibers without being distorted by the chromatic dispersion. Dispersion and diffraction (i.e. free space light propagation)are mathematically virtually the same thing, and the negative-index material is equivalent to having a fiber with dispersion of the opposite sign. So perhaps it's more right to think about the super.lenses as "diffraction-compensators"?
Re:Not lenses - diffraction compensators! (Score:2)
Sorry, but could you explain this a bit better? Say I have a 100nm transistor and a superlense. If the "lense" isn't magnifying the 100nm to something larger that I/a camera can see, then what good is it? I'm missing something along the way as to what's actually happening.
Re:Not lenses - diffraction compensators! (Score:2)
We're probably ok (Score:2)
Isn't that still useful in a telescope? (Score:2)
If these "lenses" do nothing but sharpen images by "undoing" diffraction, couldn't they be used as a "filter" for a traditional magnifying lens to get better telescopic performance than is currently possible?
I've always heard that this research would lead to great advances in telescopes, but you post has me tentatively disappointed.
Re:Not lenses - diffraction compensators! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not lenses - diffraction compensators! (Score:2, Informative)
Of course, in reality, the resolution is limited by absorption and the length-scale of the artificial structures.
Light doesn't go faster than c in these materials... see
The real question is (Score:2)
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I think you meant "the future" and "ben affleck"
Damn. For a moment there I thought they'd made a movie of The Light of Other Days and I'd somehow missed it...
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When I was in the past, Tom Cruise spoiled it for me, and the bad guys still haven't won. I'm still waiting to find out if he spoils my future though.
Does that count?
Is that really possible? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Is that really possible? (Score:2, Insightful)
Think outside the box, dude!
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Re:Is that really possible? (Score:2, Informative)
The trick is, that the AFM tip is very close to the surface, much closer than the UV wavelength. Thereby the lightwaves to not have the pathlength to interfere and cancel out, and you can get optical microscopy images with a
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Re:Is that really possible? (Score:5, Informative)
As far as I can tell, the idea is that diffraction doesn't work quite how it's taught in classrooms: there is a standard "far-field" portion, which is limited to a resolution equal to the wavelength of the light; but there is also a "near-field" portion, which "contains all of the sub-wavelength spatial details about an object, but
The object, lens and image all have to be located within the near-field, less than one wavelength in size, else the waves decay too much - that limits the practical applications, but it could apparently be useful for the optical storage industry.
Re:Is that really possible? (Score:2)
There's nothing junk about this area of research because every advance has been well demonstrated, highly repeatable and supported by more fundamental theory.
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I can't say that I really understand this yet, though...
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How would that look? (Score:3, Funny)
Major advance possible. (Score:5, Funny)
Finally there'll be a way to read all the fine print in service contracts!
Physical properties? (Score:2)
TFA doesn't tell a lot more than this, and that such lens would be the best thing since sliced bread. But regardless of HOW to make these materials, what are theire properties? Negative (complex?) epsilon and mu? Tensors? Can it be described i
As a Lisp programmer (Score:5, Funny)
As a Lisp programmer, I chuckle at the artificial distinction between light, lenses, and refraction.
Re:As a Lisp programmer (Score:2)
WTF are you talking about? I don't get it.
I'm a Physics God (Score:5, Funny)
I have one of those! I call it a *hand quotes* mirror *hand quotes*.
Better links (Score:5, Interesting)
The actual paper (PDF file): http://www.physics.oregonstate.edu/~vpodolsk/repri nts.pdf/resolut.apl2005.pdf [oregonstate.edu]
Damn (Score:2, Funny)
New L series lens in the works? (Score:2, Funny)
Damn me. (Score:2)
So I suggested.
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Damn, I'm scared of myself.
Instant replay application? (Score:2)
mandatory Star Trek quote (Score:3, Interesting)
It would be wonderful if this super lens stuff was correctly explained in the article, BUT:
All those caveats aside, it does soound really exciting!
Re:mandatory Star Trek quote (Score:3, Insightful)
The absolute value of the index is stil 1 which means that the light is still slower than C, it's just bent in the opposite direction when it hits the interface. speed in media = index of refraction * speed of light in vacum
ahh, I would post more, but I'm late for lunch. I'll be around later.
Re:mandatory Star Trek quote (Score:4, Informative)
You can't peek into the eye of a needle by throwing bowling balls at it, but you can very well thread a long thread through it, even if the volyme of the thread is far larger than the volume of the eye of the needle. You just need a coherent light source exactly perpendicular to the surface. Then your only problem is diffraction, which is already better mentioned by other posts.
So are we going to see this in UV? (Score:3, Interesting)
so if i have two of these lenses (Score:2)
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Where's the beef? (Score:2, Interesting)
There is no simple diagram showing how superlenses work. If they are bending light unnaturally, i.e. the other way, does this mean you will create convex lenses to see better detail?
What's
Hyperbole Anyone? (Score:2, Funny)
The article makes it abundantly clear that this is not a natural device, but a supernatural device. They are therefore inconsistent in calling these clever people scientists, when they are clealy witch-doctors or magicians (in the Old Testament sense, not in the David Copperfield sense).
Finally, we'll see it ... (Score:2)
Umm... (Score:2)
negative index of refraction: a stick picture (Score:2, Informative)
light ray
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normal
obviously i can't tilt slashes any more =) so this is an example of a refractive index of 1
negative index of refraction
light ray
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----------- refractive material boundary
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normal
refractive index of -1
This is weird so the hullabaloo
Theory and practice (Score:2)
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is..." Groucho Marx (AFAIK)
Wouldn't that hurt? (Score:2)
You mean back in to the asses of arrogant people who are convinced the sun already shines out of their asses?
How much would this hurt?
How much would I have to pay to get one?
How soon can you have it ready?
Already found them (Score:2)
I saw a couple of these "superlenses" last night.
Joe Paterno was wearing them.
Re:mirror (Score:3, Funny)
no, a lens! RTFA!
Re:Meanwhile, in the unnatural world (Score:2)
People who redefine words away from their long-accepted common usage bug the hell out of me. People who redefine a word to eliminate the usa
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Also, I'd really like to hear your justification for why "artificial" and "natural" as antonyms has become meaningless. As far as I know,
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Re:Meanwhile, in the unnatural world (Score:2)
Not without reason however. Considering the effects of trans fats, high fructose corn syrup, and certain additives and preservatives in food on the body, "natural" (i.e. containing no chemicals not found in food you can pluck out of the ground or take an axe to) is more valuable to some customers. In this case "natural" has a legitimate use although it's frequently misused such as by people who think that adding a little oat fiber makes some gl