Stem Cells to Treat Brain Injury in Children 222
BigDukeSix writes "The first stem cell trial with widespread public health implications is set to begin in Houston. From the article: "Trauma is far and away the main cause of death and disability among children, and the main reason children die from trauma is brain injury...The clinical trial is the first to apply stem cells to treat traumatic brain injury. It does not involve embryonic stem cells.""
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Some more information on using stem cells from bone marrow to grow neurons can be found here [bbc.co.uk].
As you can see from the date of the above referenced article, the idea of using stem cells derived from bone marrow to treat brain injury has been around for a while, but now that we've finally progressed to human trials, this field is going to get very exciting very fast. This has the potential to completely rewrite the textbooks on brain & nerve trauma...it's a real pity that Christopher Reeve [chrisreevehomepage.com] had to leave us before we made these advances.
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Why? What makes an actor who played a comic book hero worthy of mention (other than the fact that he championed the cause), instead of the thousands of children who were and are never able to realize their potential?
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That is exactly the reason. Do you realize how much money would have poured in for this research if they could have made Superman walk again using stem cells? It's not about the person, it's about their publicity and their power to help the cause. Remember Ryan White? I went to school with the kid and, frankly, he was an ass. However, his celebrity status did more for AIDS research and education than the deaths of 50 unknown kids with AIDS.
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In terms of who we should be sorry wasn't saved, I'd trade one child for Christopher Reeve any day.
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From what I've read of the man, I think he would have agreed with you. That still doesn't take away the fact that he was a prime mover in getting publicity for the cause.
It was a shame he didn't get to live to see it reach this stage. If you can't see why we should, then I can only feel sorrow for you.
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I can appreciate the man, and yes, I wish he could have seen what his efforts have helped come about. But I think that by focusing so much on him, people lose sight of all the other people (particularly children, who are the most easily helped by therapies like that of the trials in TFA) who ha
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I'm not so sure. I still say he had a lot to offer with his celebrity. If his education and fund-raising efforts could someday result in the saving of 10,000 kids, wouldn't that make his life more important than the one random child?
I realize we have gone off on an ethical tangent, but I fail to understand people who place the unequivocally place a higher value on the life of a child than the life of an adult. I know there are people who would fight harder to save the life of an inner city crack baby wh
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If anything, it's the other people who need to be publicized -- people need to be reminded that it's not just victims of polo accidents who would like a cure to paralysis.
Re: saving a child vs. saving an adult (if faced with the choice), it's mostly about potential t
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(Yes, I have karma to burn)
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There were no generalizations about everyone. There was just info about how I feel about it.
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It seems to me that genes that place the young above the old (to at least some degree) would be selected by evolution. If we didn't have the trait to very strongly protect our children, then we wouldn't last very long as a species.
Now, logically, saving an experenced doctor over a crack baby may be better for the human race. The doctor is a known quantity, and has a higher probability of contributing something to society. Overcoming animal instincts to make such cold, calculated decisions is diffic
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Try reading the article for starters, here is a quote:
The clinical trial is the first to apply stem cells to treat traumatic brain injury. It does not involve embryonic stem cells.
A bit more about stem cell research:
1. There is no ban on stem cell research. Merely, a provision stating that Federal funds will not be used for fetal stem cell research. (Privately funded research is still available.) Furthermore, the government allocated $500 million to stem cell research. Far from a ban to say the least.
2. All successful or promising stem cell development has been achieved using adult & umbilical stem cells. In fact, many experts in the field believe that there is no need what-so-ever to use fetal stem cells. a) that all goals can be achieved from non-fetal stem cells given a bit more time and study b) said additional study will likely take less time than the study necessary to learn how to control and utilize fetal stem cells.
3. Fetal stem cell research has to date had very little success. The most common end result is "tumors". The fetal stem cells are too reactive and uncontrolled. Of the few dozen articles on stem cell success I have read not a single one has been due to fetal stem cells.
4. When people keep ignorantly making statements above they merely show themselves to be poorly misinformed at best and quite a bit more at worse.
- Saj
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And before we start hearing the clamor from those claiming private funds are insufficient, the state of California approved $3 Billion for embryonic stem cell research. It's put up or shut up time for embryonic stem cell
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There is a partial ban on using federal funds for embryonic stem cell research.
I can't imagine how it can be controversial to say that we aren't going to confiscate money from people and spend it research that they believe to be immoral.
-Peter
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The truth is closer to:
There is a ban on performing embryonic stem cell research (outside of the few established stem cell lines, most of which are contaminated or otherwise unviable) in a research facility which uses federal funds for any research.
That is where the problem lies. There are plenty of research facilities in the United States, both public and private, willing to do embryonic stem cell research using non-public (i
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A sentiment shared by Nazis and WWII era Japanese scientists. The difference is morality. The ends can not be used to justify the means.
If one dead foetus can save 10-20 (or even 2) lives, isn't it already worth it?No. If killing people to save others is your idea of a good and moral trade, I got two words for ya.... YOU FIRST.
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I bet it must be nice to be the first person to understand this.
Please contact the medical research community immediately. Their ethical smarty men will greatly appreciate your revolutionary insights. It's probably not too late to apply those insights to this research!
Can someone implant some stem cells in the server? (Score:2, Funny)
Not embryionic? (Score:5, Insightful)
It would have been nice if the media stressed the promise of non-embrionic stem cells to the public more (there has been some stories), but it is nice to see it now.
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Well, do you really believe that stem-cell researchers would be courting controversy like this if it could be so easily avoided? Even if they don't accept the premise of the pro-lifers,
Benefits of Embryonic Stem Cells (Score:5, Insightful)
But they do want access to embryonic stem cells, which suggests to me that embryonic stem cells have some useful property that adult stems cells don't.
They have a higher potential benefit in that they may be more able to develop into a larger numbers of types of tissue. Basically, it was initially thought that stem cells from marrow could only be used to generate red blood cells whereas it seemed perfectly evident that infant stem cells could turn into all kinds of tissue given they're what the body starts from. Since then, we've found that adult stem cells can transform into a number of different kinds of tissues. *wry grin* Not that most of these experiments try to actually transdifferentiate the stem cells. If you read into the details of these experiments, most come down to "we inject a bunch of stem cells into part of the body and see if anything happens."
Basically, the whole thing is over potential. The proponents of infant stem cells say that those stem cells may work better and the adult stem cell people are finding ways to use stem cell therapy without the requiring the sacrifice of another human life for a potential benefit.
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Mod up my friend SeanDuggan. The ill-informed (*cough* Slashdot) crowd is very willing to always jump on the latest scientific bandwagon as long as it somehow conflicts with the views of anyone who dares say "life" in regards to a
Re:Benefits of Embryonic Stem Cells (Score:2)
Actually, one of the arguments for embryonic stem cell research is that it could save human life. It's just not the type of human life that certain political groups care about.
Do we know that embrionic stem cells will work better? No, it's a theory.
This begs the ques
Question begged? (Score:2)
They're all for saving lives, but they want it done without cost to innocent lives. Why do you think so many of these groups are behind research on adult stem cells?
This begs the question. How will we know whether they're better if we don't study them? You can't use ignorance as an argument against inquiry.
Actually, unless you'
Re:Benefits of Embryonic Stem Cells (Score:2)
The battle is fairly important, because there are many things we can do to make scientific progress much faster, IF we are wil
Re:Not embryionic? (Score:2)
I don't know about you, but I haven't personally heard from any legitimate stem-cell reearchers. I've only heard from political hacks. And why a political hack would court avoidable controversy is an easy question to answer. Now, put a real scientist in
RFI - embryonic vs other sources (Score:2)
do embryonic stem cells present any greater clinical bennefit versus non-embryonic ones? my gut feeling is "yes, because they are less developed and therefore more malleable", but that's coming straight out of my ass
anyone who knows, please share; thanks
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However, the fact of the matter is that fetal stem cell research has essentially resulted in very little success. In fact, because of their heightened mutation qualities the end result of almost all fetal research has been the same, the creation of a tumor and nothing more.
Where as adult stem cell research has had a few dozen potential successes. All without the taking of life. In fact, the advocates of adult stem cell only research have proved quite right in their hypothesis tha
Re:Not embryionic? (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless you are talking about the fact that we are ending a "life" (said sarcastically, I'm a proponent of abortions) to further medical goals, which is the first step in a slippery slope towards ending a "life" to make an (un)expectant mother's life more bearable. If that's the case, then why aren't you protesting the fertility treatments that flush dozens of viable embryos down the drain?
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For the record, I am not against abortion. I believe the child should have the right to choose; just ask him or her once they reach 18 years of age so they can make an informed decision.
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Seriously? Many people would say that they support a woman's right to chose, and they are a proponent of freedom, but very few have the balls to say they are actually in favor of abortions. Except maybe hookers, johns who knock up hookers, and guys impregnating underage girls.
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In all seriousness, though, I suppose you could say that I am in favour of a woman's right to choose, but that's just a wimpy way of saying that I have no objections to abortions. I can think of dozens of ways that a simple, safe medical procedure can keep people's lives on track. Imagine a promising young university stud
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They have seen through our dasterdly plan to force people to have abortions. At least we are making progress on our War on Christmas (tm).
Bill signed by the President (Score:2, Funny)
"The President yesterday signed into law a bill to authorize $79 million to establish a new national registry of 150,000 umbilical cord blood units. The "Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Act" was approved by the Senate on December 16 and had already passed the House of Representatives last May."
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Blood-brain barrier? (Score:2, Informative)
I find it a little curious to see that the bone marrow stem cells would be injected intravenously since the blood-brain barrier could limit the stem cells from reaching their destination. I presume that they figure that with trauma, blood would easily get to the damaged area. I think it is extremely hopeful to expect that enough stem cells would
Re:Blood-brain barrier? (Score:2)
Apparently, fetal stem cells normally migrate throughout the mother's body -- including to her brain -- during pregnancy. They've found this in mice, and, I suspect, will find
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* = a common spelling mistake [wsu.edu]
Texas children vs India poor (Score:3, Interesting)
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OTOH, brain damaged children have a lot less to lose and a lot more to gain that it would be likely to could find test subjects who wouldn't even expect compensation. This is much like drugs for
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If any of that applied to Texas we might be just as upset about it as we are about India. Clear enough?
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The difference lies in the fact that the primary purpose of the drug testing in India (and more often now on college students in the US) is that the drugs are not being given to treat any condition in the test subject, but to study the safety and metabolism of the drug itself. The trials involving the Texas children are an actual attempt to treat
Of questionable value? (Score:2, Interesting)
So, I'm somewhat hesitant that this procedure may be of great value to the population they picked. Instead, it may be issues like scarring that cause the most problems. Perhaps doing things like adding nerve growth factor (NGF) [brynmawr.edu], reducing inflammation
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One possible side effect... (Score:2, Interesting)
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The reason I'm so cynical is that babies are very resilient, and for the most part they are like stem cell factories on their own. As they grow, they produce new brain and nerve material, which adults cannot do. It is adult disease and injury (and greed) that fuels the stem cell craze, since our adult bodies cannot heal like young children can.
My daughter had a stroke two months before she was born. This stroke wiped out 85% of the left hemisphere of her brain, replacing it with a fluid filled cyst. When she was three months old, she had an operation to add a drainage passage to this cyst, as it was filling with cerebral spinal fluid and had expanded to fill the entire left half of her cranium cavity. This operation cut through parts of her brain, leaving her completely blind.
At nine months of age, the drainage passage had collapsed, and the cyst had enlarged to block all drainage of cerebral spinal fluid from her brain. Her head swelled with a condition know as hydrocephalus, and she almost died. That night, the CAT scans showed that 75% of the volume that should have been occupied by her brain was filled with fluid. She had an emergency operation to install an artificial drainage valve (a shunt). This event was catastrophic, and was like having her "reset" switch activated, she had to re-learn everything.
Now, the good news. She is eighteen months old now, and has recovered remarkably. Her last CAT scan showed that the original cyst had been reduced to only 25% of the left half of her brain, and the right half is completely restored. The original passage that was cut, that caused her blindness, has healed shut. Her vision is steadily improving and she shows signs that she may be functional without the use of a cane someday. Sure, she's a little behind developmentally, but she is showing lots of promise. All of her healing was without the use of any stem cell treatment, because babies are stem cell factories. Her same injuries would have killed an adult, several times over.
-- Len
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The body isn't perfect.
What if the therapy can give back to your child what has been lost?
You have a very sad story but you shouldn't discount a potential good because it makes you hope again and leaves you vulnerable to serious disappointment if your child can not be helped by that good. Buck up buddy and thank whatever divinity you believe in that the rest of us haven't given up. 20 years ago the very p
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The problem
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I can't see any downside here except that I've heard that taking the marrow out is quite painfull.
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I don't know where your views lie, but my prayers are that things will continue to improve in most wonderful ways.
Your sharing reminds me of Glenn Beck's sharing regarding his daughter, who was likewise damaged. I remember him recounting when the doctor told him that black spots are dead areas. And showed a normal brain. Then put up his daughter's brain and it was almost completely black. And yet, she's graduated high school. The girl who was unlikely to live more
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-- Len
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-- Len
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Since my daughter was born, I have been told that she would be deaf, and then wouldn't be able to talk. I was told that she would be limp on one side. I was told that she would completely loose the use of her eyes b
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-- Len
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There is a lot of funding for stem cell research. The issue is what the source and method of harvesting the stem cells, when it should be on the demonstrated results of research that has already been performed. The fact that "incredibly damaging upsurge in fundamentalist religion" has clouded this issue concerns me, but of greater concern is the knee-jerk reaction to those fu
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The articles you linked are informative, and unfortunately for you prove my point. The first paper is a long request for more funding research and just shows that they can grow human tissue in rats, with stem cells. The second article states "moderate" success in grafting embryonic human stem cells to living rat's brai
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-- Len
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To tell you the truth, my wife and I were devastated and numb for a period of about three or four months. We would try to be optimistic, but we were both in a huge depression. For the life of me, I cannot tell you what happened
Successful Stem Cell Usage (Score:2, Informative)
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To my understanding, embryonic stems cells come from leftover fertilized eggs from invitro etc not from aborted pregnancies but it could include both, I am not sure. One of the future treatments, for curing nongenetic problems(ie spinal cord, organ damage) is to create and an embyro(then stem cells) with your own DNA(clone). I don't think that would work with probems such as alzheimer's unless the embyro's DNA is changed to remove t
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Too many stupid comments about embreyonic stem cells and aborted foetuses. Let me spell it out for you.
You cannot get embreyonic stem cells from a foetus.
Typically an aborted foetus is developed; after about 24 hours IIRC the fertilized cell has passed from being a single cell to a clump of cells to a blastocyst (ball of cells) to an embreyo, at which point the cells start to diversify into multipotent adult stem cells. An abortion usually happens after this point, which means no embreyonic cells
Re:Don't play God! (Score:3, Interesting)
So... should we Ban All Doctors?
Bring it on and let Darwinism Rule.
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A man is standing at the back of a long line... (Score:4, Funny)
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Why not? He/she's doing such a crapy job anyway."
Exactly. I play to win, and given God's omniscience, I wouldn't play God at any game unless s/he wasn't playing up to potential.
My frag rate is sick, but God's must be... well... God-like.
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I think the GP was alluding to the fact that most Intelligent Design advocates have brain damage, or at least appear to.
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My belief system is that Intelligent Design is a sly and decietful attempt to have creationism taught as a science. I don't believe it takes much enlightenment to reach that conclusion or to conclude that anyone who supports ID is a poor christian.
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I wish those so "enlightened" ones on
I don't have any problem with people's 'belief systems'. What I do have a problem with is people attempting to pass off their 'belief systems' as science. And no, science is not itself a 'belief system' (at least not like Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Scientology, Intelligent Design, Islam, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, etc. are), so please don't subject us to that tired argument.
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The difference is that embryonic stem cell research creates a demand (market) for aborted embryos. Normally when there's a demand, someone is happy to come up with a supply.
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Government run != lack of profits. It just means that the deals go on behind closed doors and are written into law.
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It just means that the deals go on behind closed doors and are written into law.
Give me a scenario where someone besides an embryo shipping company makes money off this: Government makes it illegal to sell embryos for anything. Embryos collected in the usual ways are sent to
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Rants are fun, but my team gets lumped in with your team, so if you're going to solidify the opinions of the opposition that we're just the other side that hates them, at least say something funny in the process.
Who are the fools? (Score:2)
By letting an ignorant fool of a president (and supporters) and superstitons determine our medical future is crazy. Do we really need these equivalent witch-doctor religions telling us what to do in the sciences,
The real witch doctors are those biologists who manipulate cells without really understanding them. Should society give them carte blanche to conduct their abominations? I think not.
and look how skillfully Bush & Co. moved their cherished beliefs that a single crummy cell has any rights (
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i sincerely hope that you realize the magnitude of a spinal cord injury. let's see how fun life is when you can't control your own bodily functions.
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Though I imagine duct tape would do it.
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I guess you're not an organ donor, either, huh? And, if you were dying of, say, liver cancer, you'd turn down a chance to live our your life with a donated organ? Why? Because it's "sick" to use something that's beyond the use of a dead body?
We sure wouldn't want people living longer, healthier, more productive lives if it means burying someone with a pound less of their internal tissue, now would we?
Now, normally I'd stop right there, presumingi that no one could be so obtuse as to not see how this is exactly the same situation as the stem cells from an about-to-be-discarded surplus IVF blastocyst, or the recovered cells from a failed fetus, or the recovered cells from a pregnancy that was aborted, and was going to be aborted anyway. People like you, that would rather use that tissue for fertalizer in a landfill than save some poor brain-injured kid's life are (well, to use your words) "sick" and "unethical" to a nauseating degree.
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