Scientists Complete Map of Human Genetic Variation 190
UltimaGuy writes "A major scientific step in the field of genetics is set to speed up the search for the causes of common illnesses ranging from heart disease and cancer to Alzheimer's and asthma. Scientists have mapped patterns of tiny DNA differences that distinguish one person from another, a step that will speed up the search for genes that promote common illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes."
If there ever was... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:If there ever was... (Score:3, Funny)
Is IBM's cell processors expandable to more than just vector co-processors? Say maybe a GPU, a PPU, and now BPU or two of each?
Re:If there ever was... (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, so this is to reflect the nature paper that is just comming out now, where a variation was looked for every 5,000 bases. The new map is 5x as dense (every 1k bases), and was released on the 10-24-05. The new map should provide a lot more resolution for interesting questions.
Funny, David Altschuler is my former boss, and
Podcast from nature (Score:5, Informative)
I always think it is ridiculous how these genomic announcements happen. They choose to announce that they have ONE MILLION SNPs with big press release, but this data is available online as soon as its sequenced.
Re:Podcast from nature (Score:3, Informative)
Here is an additional site [u-tokyo.ac.jp] with even more information and datasets available. I'm going to download these and see what I can find.
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Meanwhile, check out if carnosine might slow down the damage to your retinas. It is being used as eyedrops to alleviate the degeneration of proteins associated with aging
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No rare alleles in data (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, the HapMap is basically useless for "rare" genetic variants, because it intentionally is screening for common ones. Hence, it may actually be useful for common susceptibility alleles for heart disease or stroke but it isn't going to find the rare variants that affect only a few people.
From my weblog [johnhawks.net]:
--JohnDon't worry too much (Score:2)
Genetic Discrimination (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Genetic Discrimination (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Genetic Discrimination (Score:3, Funny)
Only specific problems. Not general defectiveness (Score:2)
Yes, but it's important to note that they don't suffer from more genetic difficulties than other populations. You won't cut your health care costs by excluding the Mennonite bretheren (i.e. Amish.)These populations are homogenous, not defective. Since intensive study always turns up particular defects, there has been some concern about the political consequences of studying a
Re:Communist (Score:2)
[/sarcsam]
Sharing and helping your neighbor isn't "commie crap" unless you're forced to do it to avoid prison.
Of course that's not true sharing and helping. It's involuntary servitude.
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Patented (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Patented (Score:4, Informative)
However, the importance of this article has nothing to do with the number of SNPs available or the fact that the SNPs are common (because of the low sample size). The whole point is to have SNPs that exist in ~50% of the population so that the haplotype can be determined. The Haplotype shows which segments of the genome tend to be inherited together. This can be traced back for multiple generations of inheritance - essentially there are ancient haplotypes and more modern haplotypes. The importance of looking at haplotypes is that it allows researchers to see which region an important mutation relating to a disease may occur in. Note that just by knowing which haplotype the disease causing mutation occurs in does not let us know which SNP or insertion/deletion event causes the disease.
Re:Patented (Score:2)
The haplotypes let you determine that if SNP 1 is an A, then SNP 2 is always a G, etc. Ok, for people who like things more technical, the R^2 values of a lot of the snps are high, so they can use these snps, or se
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Re:Patented (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, I could write a check right now and if would cure my Type II diabetes I would. Of course, there's no chance that check would clear the bank, but so what? I'd already be cured!
Well all I can say is... (Score:5, Insightful)
As a survivor of stage I kidney cancer, stage III colon cancer, arthritis, and diabetes I am a little anxious for progress in this field.
Re:Well all I can say is... (Score:2, Troll)
For what it's worth... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm 38, and I haven't died yet. I'm pretty sure I'm immortal.
Re:For what it's worth... (Score:2)
That may be so, but I have a piece of advice for you: don't ever go to Vegas!
Re:For what it's worth... (Score:2)
Do you have some kind of systemic malady? (Score:2)
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Re:Do you have some kind of systemic malady? (Score:2)
Re:Do you have some kind of systemic malady? (Score:2)
I've heard a lot of people talking up alkaline diets. I'm curious what the logic behind this is (I'm not disagreeing. I'd guess it has somthing to do on body chemistry.)
Stop. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:For what it's worth... (Score:2)
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God: Dang, missed again. Can't 841457 (because they use Slashdot userID's in Heaven) just stand still for a while?
Angel: Sir, you've got to hold the L1 button to auto-aim.
God: Oh, I've been holding R1.
Angel: No, that's your special attack button.
God: What's my special attack then?
Angel: Hurricanes!
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Shitdrummer
Re:For what it's worth... (Score:2)
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Another article on mapping genes... (Score:3, Informative)
GeoPlace [geoplace.com] reports a story on project METAFUNCTIONS [idw-online.de] from Informationsdienst Wissenschaft about mapping environmental clues to decipher the function of genes. "Another innovative aspect of this project [METAFUNCTIONS] is the use of geographic information systems (GIS). GIS tools provide for the simulation
Re:Well all I can say is... (Score:2)
They only analyzed DNA of 269 people (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They only analyzed DNA of 269 people (Score:4, Informative)
Something that's interesting about your statement: if you look at a very rare SNP (less than 1%, for example), then you have very little power to see an effect on disease for this SNP. By definition, 99% of your sample size is not contributing power to your study. Thus, you can't statistically find effects unless you have a) massive sample size or b) massive mendelian effects.
The goal of this data is to study COMMON polymorphisms. That's why it's callled the common variant hypothesis.
And yes, I do work with these people.
Re:They only analyzed DNA of 269 people (Score:2)
Re:They only analyzed DNA of 269 people (Score:2)
If you need a lot more information than that, I suggest either a book, or journal articles.
Obligatory... (Score:4, Funny)
RTFHM (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.hapmap.org/ [hapmap.org].
You can even browse the project data: Gbrowse [hapmap.org]
Design...? (Score:3, Funny)
(c) God, 5800BC
The author asserts His moral rights over this work.
Resemblence to all persons in history is expressly intentional.
For Ethel.
Re:Design...? (Score:3, Funny)
The text reads:
Designer Wanted
Full-time position (6 days/week; 24 hours/day). Must be intelligent. Must be able to conceive and manufacture organisms and genetically modify 5000 species a minute. Fabricate evidence of evolutionary adaptation and carelessly cast said product about while transforming living organisms in an increasingly complex and generally miraculous manner. Must be detail ori
Mod parent up! (Score:2)
It's worth at least a +6 (Miraculous)
Re:Design...? (Score:2)
The original product is the Homan and the most popular knock-off is Human. You might have difficulty seeing the difference in the label but there is a huge price and quality difference.
I'd been more impressed if He'd used GPL. (Score:2)
Tomorrow's headline: (Score:2)
Genetics & drugs: good news/bad news (Score:3, Informative)
The good news: drug companies might be able to resurrect some failed medications if they can determine which genetic variants are helped by the drug versus being harmed by the drug. Some promising but previously unapproved medications will make it on to the market.
The bad news: Current drug development focuses on blockbusters. Finding something that millions of people will need to take. This pushes development to help the greatest number of people. If the treatment works for most people (based on genetic screening), there's little reason to develop a cure for genetic minority populations. Genetic orphan populations will be marginalized.
Re:Genetics & drugs: good news/bad news (Score:2, Informative)
A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:5, Informative)
1) The headline and idea: "New DNA Map Will Help Find Bad Genes". There are no bad genes. Evolution didn't just come around and place some miscreant gene in your body just to give you a hard time after living off a diet of pizza and Mt. Dew for ten years. Every gene has its own function. Genetic research is based more upon finding which variation of a gene is more beneficial to an individual and how to change/block the non-beneficial variations. Genes are either more or less successful, but definitely (minus the case or rare genetic diseases) not evil or bad.
2) "The project analyzed DNA samples from 269 people from Nigeria, Beijing, Tokyo and Utah." Well, this would be fine if everyone was of a direct Nigeria, Beijing, Tokyo or Utah decent similar to the test subjects. As for real world population, they probably contain mutations not near those found in any of these people. A native american, a man from agentina, and a guy from India I guarantee you would have completely different results. And that's assuming pure-bread people. Where would someone like Tiger Woods fit in? As an interesting side note, why do you think they picked Utah? Could it be that one of the principal investigators of the study is Mormon and thought it might be nice to bring government funds to his own people? I think that most of us can agree that politics and science rarely mix to give good results...
3) 269 People? You're telling me that out of 3 billion DNA basepairs, we can find all the parts that have changed over the last few hundred thousand (and more) years in only 269 people?
4) "This clustering greatly simplifies the task of analyzing what variations a person carries, because not all of them have to be identified." and "A person with one particular version of a SNP is highly likely to carry particular versions of other SNPs as well." When you begin to think about the error rates contained in "highly likely" and then start to cluster those rates togeter, your model falls apart.
Basically, from my own experience of working with data of thousands of whites, blacks, both male and female, the rates at which certain areas of DNA are linked vary directly upon the strata one looks at and the number of individuals in that strata. This project is a neat theorhetical idea, but until we can sequence the entire genomes of thousands of people overnight for a small fee, there is not enough realy data to really do anything with.
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:3, Insightful)
While it may sound like falling into the pathetic fallacy to call a gene "bad," there are many traits which are almost certainly highly genetically dependent that most people would rather not have. Not just rare "genetic disorders," either. Is there really any function for myopia, for inst
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:2)
Or fun ones like sickle cell anaemia which have a purpose, but a purpose which in the near(ish) future we won't need (hopefully -- and I mean malaria defense, for those not familiar).
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:2)
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Semantics are interesting. The cause for those are mutations in some of the genes, but the genes themselves are not "bad". Each of the variations of a gene is called an "allele [google.com]", and different alleles of a gene can vary on how they perform and, thus, be considered to be "good" or "bad". Talking about good or bad genes is conceptually incorrect, and it doesn't help anyone when these terms muddy the waters for the already c
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:2)
Given a choice, no one would want to be born knowing they'll need eye correction at some point in their life.
Given that most 'nerds' need eye correction, while less intelligent people do not, I hypothesize that there is a relation between intelligence and needing eye correction. If this is the case, then I will choose wearing glasses all my life to being less intelligent. (but that is just me who can't see the floor without glasses)
I of course am not sure how you would test this hypothesis, but that i
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:2)
total nonsense (Score:2)
u can quibble about semantics here, but sounds pretty bad to me
the rest of your arguments are more or less true but irrelevant, Yeah, they only did 239 people, yeah 1 million snps is not all of them,
the question is, are they close enough to do some practical damage ?
(old joke: a
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:3, Informative)
a) Read the paper.
b) Read the followup papers that also discuss in more detail how to use this data to perform analysis.
Q#2: If you're interested in how well this data transfers over to people from other populations, then read the "tag transfer" paper, which should be out in a month or so. Paul de Bakker will have a paper comming out that studies how to apply this data to other populations. The quick summary: you can use this data for other populations. By studying groups like Yoruba (a
Re:A Human Geneticist's Point Of View (Score:3, Informative)
You can use that (admixture mapping), or you can try to reduce that.
By the way, those 80-1000 SNP models are becomming very old school (if you're using a candidate gene approach, the one thing we know about candidate gene approaches is that we're horribl
Ethics (Score:2)
So what about my kids? (Score:2, Funny)
Can you cure my color blindness? (Score:3, Insightful)
I know it's more sexy to cure debilitating genetic diseases but there's a lot more people out there with color blindness than there are people with hemophilia. Surely economies of scale dictate that we should get the first shot at a cure.
Re:Can you cure my color blindness? (Score:2)
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HapMap is impressive, but the future is incredible (Score:2)
I have to say though that the HapMap project is only a transient step to where this is all going. The NIH, NSF, and DOE are throwing significant amounts ofm
Benefits to anthropology (Score:2)
um wait. (Score:2)
number of human genes still unknown (Score:2)
A mouse DNA decoding project has been more precise. They specific ma
Re:Then what? (Score:3, Informative)
No, it doesn't. Organisms that survive create slightly different offspring. Those that survive create slightly different offspring. That some of these organisms create toxic secretions, block airways, kill mucous membranes, etc. is just a side effect of diversity.
We are not trying to trick nature. (Score:3, Informative)
Coordinators [wikipedia.org]
Abh [wikipedia.org]
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
Be afraid
Re:Then what? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd perhaps pay more attention to your concerns if you appeared to know more about the subject. An antibiotic is a drug that kills or slows the growth of bacteria. It has no effect on viral agents.
As such, a virus doesn't "learn" to get around them.
And THAT being the case, your comments strike me as little more than the semi-modern version of that hoary cry, "There are things man was never meant to know."
Re:Then what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
Mutations are not sent to punish us for our hubris, they are random chemical changes.
What on earth are you talking about? Which diseaes do you think are worse then typhus, plag
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
As Oscar Wilde said "A cynic is someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing."
My mother was born in 1925. By the time she was 18 she'd had tuberculosis and lost four or five schoolmates to infectious diseases like scarlet fever. I on the other hand, have had nothing worse then the mumps, and didn't loose any friends to infectious disease until I was well into my thirties. Modern civil sanita
Re:Then what? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Then what? (Score:2, Interesting)
Perhaps I look like I'm playing devil's advocate or something, but that really wasn't my intention. As it is, I really do wonder, though - won't all this just go to the people who can afford it? And aren't they the ones who can already afford the costs of getting cured already?
Thanks for playing, Metallichica.
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
Medical research costs lots of money. There are only a few ways of raising that money: voluntary taxes, (think March of Dimes and the Polio vaccine), involuntary taxes (think National Institutes of Health), and investment by capital
Re:Then what? (Score:4, Insightful)
Let me give you a couple of examples of what it is already doing. I have a dear friend with an inoperable brain tumor. It turns out this particular form of tumor has genetic markers that are strongly correlated with its response to chemotherapy. After a biopsy of the tumor they can run genetic tests and give you a much clearer picture of whether chemotherapy is likely to be effective or not. As you doubtless know, chemotherapy is no picnic, so it is a hard, hard decision figuring out whether you should undertake a treatment that may extend your life 5 years, or simply screw up the the last three months you have. Tools like this genetic analysis help a bit.
On the absolute cutting edge of genetic therapy, doctors in France treated several children who had no immune system (bubble boy disease in popular parlance) due to a genetic defect. They were able use viruses to transfer a correctly functioning copy of the broken gene into the children's bone marrow. All of the children developed fully functioning immune systems. Unfortunately three of the children developed leukemia and one died. Certainly here is an example of the unforeseen consequences you are worried about, but what do you do in the face of a lethal disease like this?
Do these sound like cosmetic surgery?
How is this different from any form of medical care now in existence? Across the world, even in countries with socialized medicine, the wealthy can get better health care then the poor. If you are going to wait to develop medical treatments until this inequity can be solved, you are going to wait a very long time.
But again I ask, what is your moral standing to make this criticism? How much of your time and treasure have you given? You could cancel your cell phone this very week, send the money to Doctor's Without Borders, and they might save several lives with the supplies that it buys. Are you going to do it? I don't mean to pick specifically on you here. I have a cell phone, and unfortunately I am not going to cancel it and give the proceeds to a worthy cause. I'm just trying to make the point the people are sometimes too quick to demand charity and sacrifice in others while not offering it themselves.
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
Nonsense, nature doesn't have to do anything. And population control in nature happens mainly through multiplication of predators and starvation anyway.
Besides, humans that already live will not benefit that much from these advances. If my genes contain a susceptibility to some disorder, the cure would have to first rewrite the genes in my cells and then the affected tissues would have to be regrown using the updated DN
Re:Then what? (Score:2)
Yeah, it has stopped working for the human race some time ago. Smartest, healthiest people are not reproducing at a greater rate than the rest of the population. What about it?
This is a misunderstanding of what Natural Selection means. Having an IQ over 50 is a major factor in survival but having an IQ over 180 is less important. Raw intelligence is such a tiny factor that once you hit an IQ in the 80's it's less important than not having any major genetic diseases.
Re:AGCT (Score:3, Informative)
Uh... let's see... C...G...A...T... is that "U" a phonetic aid? Otherwise no one will step forward. Oh wait, so THAT's how they caught the undercover martian!
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Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW (Score:2, Insightful)
South Korea has already demonstrated that is has no qualms about going into stem cell research while everyone else in the western world throws a hissy fit over it.
The real question is:
Why shouldn't insurance companies be allowed to screen their applicants if they can prove that you are genetically inclined towards particular diseases?
Why shouldn't you abort a child if it will have a debilitatin
Roads travelled (Score:3, Insightful)
Quite a few roads to hell have been paved by eugenicists, so it shouldn't be surprising that many people now hesitate walking on paths that intersect them, knowing full well that there will always be people willing to turn at that intersection and follow in those footsteps, perhaps without even noticing.
The "real question[s]" you point to look more like pamphlet questions to me--the easy, obvious questions that guide the reader to predetermined conclusions. Then the segue into "the magic topic of race".
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The first two are obviously evil, but the third is perhaps the most terrifying.
The third is the start of real genetic engineering - imagine upgrading your kid's immune system to dropkick any nasty bug you care to mention without immunizations. You could also do stuff like extend middle age to 120 or so, or bring metabolism under concious control - weight loss is a matter of wanting to burn more calories.
Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW (Score:2)
Sadly, no one at the tiller seems to be thinking about the coming genetic class war, they're too busy fighting the crusade against relig
Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW (Score:2)
You care to explain how that is going to be a good law?
/this/ because of /that/" is vulnerable to "prove I knew that" and "prove I did it because of that", both crippling flaws normally and showstoppers when applied to abortion. We've had underground abortion clinics; do we really need -- really and truly need
A good law is one that can be evenly enforced and not trivially circumvented; otherwise, you only punish the honest and foster contempt for the law.
"You can't do
Re:NEED GOOD LAWS NOW (Score:2)
Re:medicine (Score:2)
Instead, what we'll see is early detection of genetic disease, and from a pharmacologicoprofitability standpoint, plenty of maintenance drugs to help keep the genes from being fully expressed or to mitigate the symptoms.
OTOH, early detection of as-yet uncurab
Re:The other side of the sword ... (Score:2)
Race is one of the most clear indicators of the likelyhood that you're going to get killed by one.
Don't think it'll work (Score:3, Interesting)
The reason being is that the concept of "ethnicity" is more tribial/social/religious than it is genetic.
I'm willing to bet that there is no set of genes that uniquely identifies a given ethnicity *right now*, and that as time goes forward, the probability of discovering a set of genes that identifies "most" of the population of a given ethnicity is steadi