Bang But No Splash 252
BishopBerkeley writes "When a drop of ethanol is dropped on a surface at low pressures (1/5 atmosphere or less), it makes no splash. Science offers a brief synopsis and fascinating pictures of the phenomenon. The results seem to confirm the (perhaps counterintuitive) prediction that more viscous liquids are more likely to splash, not less likely . Links to the researchers' home page at U of Chicago (as of now, the site is timing out) and pdf version of the article on arxiv can be found on the Science page also."
Synopsis: (Score:3, Informative)
Fascinating. ----- Ut Tensio, Sic Vis
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Nice! (Score:3, Informative)
Full Text : Cho,Sucking Away the Splatter, ScienceNOW 2005: 4
ScienceNOW text (Score:5, Informative)
LOS ANGELES--Nature may abhor a vacuum, but a vacuum abhors a mess. In the absence of air, a droplet of liquid can crash into a smooth surface without splattering, physicists report. The odd phenomenon might be useful for controlling droplet formation in technological processes like inkjet printing.
Splashdown. A drop of ethanol hits a smooth glass at atmospheric pressure (above) and 1/5 atmospheric pressure (below).
CREDIT: Lei Xu et al./The University of Chicago
It seems obvious and inevitable that a fast-moving droplet will splatter when it hits a hard surface. Researchers have studied the distribution of droplet sizes and energies in such splashes, and physicists Lei Xu, Sidney Nagel, and colleagues at the University of Chicago were searching for ways to control those sizes and energies when they discovered something unexpected: By pumping away some of the surrounding air they could eliminate the splatter entirely.
Within a tall vacuum chamber, the researchers released droplets of alcohol onto a dry glass plate from heights ranging from 20 centimeters to 3 meters. They recorded the resulting splashes with a high speed video camera as they varied the pressure in their apparatus, sucking it down as low as one hundredth of atmospheric pressure. The droplets struck the surface with speeds ranging from 2 to 7 meters per second, and for a given speed, the researchers found they could eliminate the splash by lowering the pressure beyond a specific threshold.
The team explains the results with a simple theory. As a drop strikes a surface, liquid begins to spread sideways at supersonic speed, creating a shockwave. The shockwave pushes back on the liquid, and if that force is greater than the internal forces holding the drop together, the shockwave will lift the liquid off the surface and create a splash. Reducing the pressure reduces the force exerted by the shock wave.
Ironically, the theory predicts that a thicker liquid should splash more than a thinner one. The researchers tested this curious prediction by studying the splash made by three types of alcohol with different viscosities. Indeed, the more viscous the alcohol, the lower the pressure needed to prevent splashing, the team reported here this week at a meeting of the American Physical Society.
"It's not uncommon to see a lovely phenomenon, but it is uncommon to get all the factors straight," says Walter Goldburg, an experimenter at the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Bulbul Chakraborty, a theoretical physicist at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts, says the researchers' analysis opens the way to controlling splashing in, for example, spray coating surfaces with various substances.
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Re:Nice! (Score:2)
Re:Nice! (Score:5, Funny)
Full Text : Cho,Sucking Away the Splatter,
With a title like that, you would think it's "adult" content they're charging for...
Re:Nice! (Score:2)
News for turds, stuff that splatters!
Ethanol (Score:5, Funny)
People like my friends know the right thing to do, but it appears that this knowledge is not common enough.
From the article (Score:2)
A bit faster than my Canon 10D! I want one!
More beer research ... (Score:4, Informative)
A Comparison Analysis of the Greater Carbohydrate and Increased Photosynthetic Element Count of Budweiser Versus the Similar Enzyme Content of Bud Light [msu.edu]
Next to medicine and biowarfare, brewing and fermentation technology [byo.com] is a major funding source for microbiology.
Some research suggests that drinking beer may stop your hair from turning grey [japancorp.net]
And possibly the most expensive PDF's in the world [just-drinks.com]
Re:Ethanol (Score:2)
OK, I'll say it: watching drops splash or not all day: SILLY!!
Hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Sounds like a whole different kind of webpage..
Bang AND splash (Score:4, Funny)
More study is clearly needed.
Re:Bang AND splash (Score:2)
An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:5, Informative)
Re:An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:5, Informative)
The movie seems to me much more effective than the jpg image, I was supprised by them skipping head so far between the 3rd and 4th frame, seems leaves out some of the important parts..
Re:An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:4, Informative)
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/05/050322.s
A marvelous movie!
Re:An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:2)
Re:An accessible page, more types of fluids tested (Score:2, Informative)
We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Insightful)
Makes one wonder what else the laws of physics are hiding from us yet... and whether we have really tried to analyse physics systematically enough.
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Insightful)
To test this it seems like you could perform the experiment at higher temperatures. The hypothesis would be that the higher temps overcome the molecular interactions and decrease the viscosity.
I just looked at the pictures and am a biochemist so take this analysis, like everything else on
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Daniel Coughlin's Photographs [pbase.com]
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Interesting)
Given no a priori knowledge of this experiment, I could come up with convincing thought experiments and analogies to explain either possible outcome (low viscosity or high viscosity being less likely to splash).
For example, what happens when a ball of soft putty drops on a surface? It definitely doesn't produce an apparent splash. The "intuitive" interpretation might be, then, that high viscosity liquids are less able to splash, based on our experience with a large, viscous semisolid.
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
So the guess probably ought to be that less viscosity means that something will just spread out, medium means that it splashes, and lots means that it goes crown-shaped but no droplets fly off.
Of course, it's still necessary to do the experiment to determine which, if any, of these
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
putty is a very bad example (Score:4, Informative)
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
I wouldn't say it's counter-intuitive at all. Higher viscosity fluids will make a bigger mess when they splash. Therefore, by Murphy's law, it's completely obvious that high viscosity fluids will be more likely to splash.
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Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:3, Funny)
And did you cry about it subsequently?
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
No, because it's milk over the dam
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
further research (Score:5, Informative)
Protein denatures as you beat it up with the whisk Fat globules are dispersed into smaller and smaller droplets as well,,,hey, how would you like to be whipped with sharp slicing pieces of metal?????? All the while, water is swirling and moving creating eddies of air like a sunami in your bowl Sugar is looking for a safe place to land in all the confusion.... End Result: Uncoiled protein (denaturation) surrounds the air bubbles Sugar lands on the denatured protein and holds on for dear life Fat surrounds the sugar, protein and air bubble, trapping the water Now multiply this scene by about 2 zillion K-billion times You have created an interlaced 3-dimesnional net we call a foam (remember our dispersion chart???? Foam is a gas dispersed in a liquid.....air trapped in milk)
So you wouldn't be able to get the milk to turn into whipped cream which turns into butter without the air for the fat, protein, and sugar to cling to. So this is why the milk is shipped in a vacuum.
Full text: http://www2.muw.edu/~jfitzger/page81.html [muw.edu]
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
But think of it this way. Your task is to understand the physics of one ping-pong ball verses the physics of many interacting ping-pong balls. Which do you think will be simpler?
As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:5, Funny)
They'd think we'd wipe them out.
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:3, Informative)
That's ridiculous. Your two lumps of metal are highly enriched uranium or plutonium, neither of which occur naturally. The process to obtain them in sufficient quantities requires huge amounts of energy, raw materials and precision engineering.
So no, the Romans couldn't have done that, and specially not easily.
A Natural Fission Reactor (Score:4, Informative)
From here [teachnet.ie]
A Natural Fission Reactor For thirty years it was assumed that the first nuclear chain reaction to occur on Earth was that set up by Fermi in Chicago in 1942. However, it has now been established that a natural reactor operated in a natural uranium deposit in west Africa 1.8 billion years ago. Evidence for this came in an interesting way. Natural uranium from Gabon was exported to France; an examination of the isotopic content showed that the proportion of uranium-235 was slightly lower than normally found This small difference was investigated and traces of the fission products of uranium were found in higher proportions than in normal uranium ore. This suggested that at some time in the geological history of the uranium, some of it had undergone a fission reaction. But how could a chain reaction have been established in natural uranium? The seam of ore, which was being extracted, was unusually rich in uranium-235 (up to 10 per cent). Geological conditions were responsible for accumulating large quantities in a small area. The water of crystallisation of the minerals in the ore might have acted as a moderator. It is now believed that a natural fission chain reaction must have taken place in the ore approximately 1800 million years ago. It may have run for just over 100 years, emitting a thermal power of tens of kilowatts (any greater power would have led to the evaporation of the water required as a moderator). In the course of its lifetime, it would have consumed a similar amount of uranium as a present-day power reactor consumes in a year.
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:2)
This story being moderated up finally proves to me that the moderation system is far from perfect.
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:2)
The Romans didn't even have gunpowder, nor cannons, which would be the very least level of technology to get two pieces of U235 (assuming they'd even had pure U235, given to them by some passing alien or time traveller) to slam together fast enough to detonate rather than just flashing to radioactive slag as the pieces got near each other. Doin
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:2)
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:2)
We invented nuclear bombs before we invented intermittent wipers for cars.
We had anti-intermittent wipers before the bomb. My father had an 1930's pickup truck with wipers driven by engine vacuum. At rest, the wipers would go like mad. As soon as you started moving, the vacuum would drop off, and the wipers would slow to a crawl just when you need them most. :-)
Re:As Dave Barry pointed out.... (Score:2)
You can find torrents for them here [novatina.com].
I know there was a Connections 2 series floating around on a tracker som
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:5, Interesting)
A small balloon is inflated in atmospheric pressure until it pops. The resulting fragments are a few large pieces of latex.
A simmilar balloon is inflated by tying it off, placing it in a bell jar, and evacuating the jar. When the balloon pops, the result is a shredded mess of many small pieces of latex.
The guy at the museum who showed this demonstration couldn't explain to me why it did this. He just kept saying, "It pops everywhere at once". Okay, but why?
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:3, Insightful)
This sounds like something that could be easily explained. When you blow into a balloon, the air inside does not stretch the latex evenly in all directions. By evenly, I mean that the latex is thicker and thinner in some areas than others due to imperfections in manufacturing. When you blow up the balloon, these imperfections aren't accounted for and there are likely to be a few "weakest" areas with some stronger ones around.
In theory, removing the surrounding air would eliminate or significantly reduce th
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:4, Insightful)
The pressure differential between the inside of the balloon and the outside is probably identical in both cases when the balloon pops. So the net force acting on the surface of the ballon at the moment of the pop should be the same. The only difference is the absolute pressure. I think this is the key.
The pressure in the jar is so low that when the balloon breaks, there is no force pushing inward on the ballon. The net force is basically equal to the force pushing outward. At regular atmospheric pressure there is more force on the inside but also resistance from the outside. I think the outside pressure affects the rubber after the instant of the pop by slowing it down. Maybe this keeps the rubber stable enough to only break into a few pieces.
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
Nagel and his associates are quite [lanl.gov] famous for finding interesting physics in things like coffee [uchicago.edu] stains [uchicago.edu] and sand [uchicago.edu] piles and crumpling paper [uchicago.edu]. He taught me quantum while I was an undergrad at U of C, and he was a great teacher, even if I didn't appreciate it at the time.
It is quite true that there exist interes
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most of us know the properties of atmosphere in a vaccuum
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
Well, one out of two ain't bad...
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
define:vacuum [google.com]
Re:We know quarks, but not this... (Score:2)
Fluid dynamics is one of the least understood fields of physics and engineering. It is why mega-computers are built and what weather forecasts (and long-range climate prediction) are based on.
The sky is not falling.
Of course it is. (Score:2)
But beyond that, pretty much the definition of "fundamental" insures that knowing the actions of individual component particles is more fundamental than knowing the actions of large numbers of component particles, because the latter is a subset of the former: the rules specific to higher numbers of particles can be written in terms of those governing individual particles, but not always the other way around.
Wholism had its shot for the first 95% of human
since the article is already /. (Score:2, Funny)
Lets continue doing those experiments with alcohol ourself. In a plane. Mixed with lots of water (beer) , mixed with less water (jenever). Ans splashing.
Anything more useful to report about alcohol abuse?
How would superfluids behave? (Score:3, Interesting)
Since the article hints that the more viscosity, the lower the pressure must be to avoid splashing of the droplet, would superfluids (which have no viscosity at all) behave as expected even under the atmospheric pressure, or even a higher pressure?
Offhand, why are they using ethanol and not water for their study though?
Re:How would superfluids behave? (Score:2)
It would fight an everlasting battle for truth, justice, and the liquid way!
Re:How would superfluids behave? (Score:5, Informative)
Sometimes in science I tend to get caught up with the complex math and theory, and forget the basic stuff. Water is a truly fascinating material, and can give us a lot of insight into the workings of the world.
Re:How would superfluids behave? (Score:2)
a very interesting question... (Score:3, Insightful)
important puzzle: why do we see a corona form at all? At the substrate surface the liquid momentum points horizontally outward. Without a layer of fluid to push against (such as in the photographs of Edgerton), how does the expanding layer gain any momentum component in the vertical direction?
That is an interesting question...sounds like a potential thesis for a few people out there.
Re:a very interesting question... (Score:2, Interesting)
Friction with the surface will slow down the liquid at the surface, but without the air resistance liquid not in contact with the surface just flows over the slow
Confirm? (Score:2)
LESS viscous liquids are more likely to splash (Score:2, Informative)
"The results seem to confirm the (perhaps counterintuitive) prediction that more viscous liquids are more likely to splash, not less likely"
While the article says:
"Xu tested water splash as well. Water exhibits the same behavior, but its higher surface tension narrows the range of splash-forming impact velocity and creates a much larger margin for experimental error.
"It's much harder to splash than ethanol," he said."
Is say, this is a classic RTFA
Re:LESS viscous liquids are more likely to splash (Score:5, Informative)
Nope. (Score:2)
This equation predicts another non-intuitive result: a more viscous liquid splashes more easily than a less viscous one.
Here's the picture (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.hairykrishna.f2s.com/droplet.html [f2s.com]
Bad link (Score:2)
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Re:Bad link (Score:3, Insightful)
Bah! Subtle my eye! It's trivial to run your links through an anonymizer to ensure full public access is allowed. Of course, doing this would constitute effort, and it's abundantly clear that /. editors avoid that at all cost...
Camera - OT (Score:2, Interesting)
I wonder how long it will take to get a digital equivalent of this camera?
Re:Camera - OT (Score:5, Funny)
Air pressure is critical (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Air pressure is critical (Score:5, Insightful)
How about a partially elastic collision with the surface (it bounces)?
How about collision with the leading edge of the spreading droplet (there is drag on the spreading drop as it extends across the surface--fast liquid building up behind could still splash over that barrier, even in the complete absence of atmosphere)?
Always be afraid of "intuitive" reasoning in physics when you're dealing with very slow or very fast processes that operate on very small or very large scales. :)
Re:Air pressure is critical (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Air pressure is critical (Score:2)
Real fluids compress, hence bounce.
looking at the pix (Score:4, Insightful)
elegant (Score:5, Funny)
Re:elegant (Score:2)
I was going to make a comment about writing the answer in Perl code, but then I noticed the "makes sense" part.
Hey, it can always be done for very large values of finger-width.
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Simulations? (Score:3, Interesting)
Keyword: multiphase flows, fluid-fluid interaction (Score:3, Informative)
That's exactly the first thing I thought of. And this begs to be simulated.
It might be tough to set up though, since you'd have to deal with a compressible gas phase and incompressible fluid phase, and keep track of the fluid surface to account for surface tension.
You pretty much described what is done. The Navier-Stokes equations for compresible and incompressible fluids are used. But in this case air-compression is so lo
Axisymmetric simulation NOT correct (Score:3, Informative)
Wrong
Strange enough, axisymmetric simulation would probably of little use. Falling drops are one of those phenomena where a completely (or almost completely) symmetrical initial condition leads to a very asymmetrical result. In practice you do not get a circular 'wall' of fluid, but rather a kind of 'crown'. (Google came up with this example [casburt.com]). The number of peaks of the crown has been investigated by someone, but I have forgotten who. More about
Bang? What bang? (Score:2)
I think this is the ink application they mentioned (Score:2, Funny)
Real world.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Real world.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Some examples..Transistors arose from some guys shooting the breeze 20-30 years earlier as to how electrons moved around. What they were saying made no sense at all but it paid off big time. A guy sitting in a patent office speculates that light is comprised of particles and uses it to explain why electrons stream out of certain metals. Same guy speculates about what it's like to sit on a photon as it screams along and draws a few conclusions that 35 years later, rock the world. Another guy grows 1000s of peas, counts, by hand, how many of eight different traits show up in subsequent generations and figures out that wrinkled peas require wrinkled parents. Thirty years later, some other guys pick up on that idea and study fruit flys and come up with an arithmetic argument based on percentages that some traits are based on discrete loci. Weird stuff in 1911 that blossomed into billion dollar corporations 70 years later. A pair of mathematically gifted brothers figure out some equations about how fluids move over surfaces. That knowledge sits around for more than a 100 years before a different pair of brothers in a bike shop put the knowledge to an interesting use.
You just never know what's worth knowing so we gather what we can.
From TFA... (Score:5, Informative)
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Distorted Shape (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Distorted Shape (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Distorted Shape (Score:3, Informative)
Except that raindrops are not teardrop shaped. [fluidmech.net] Thanks for playing.
Re:Distorted Shape (Score:4, Interesting)
NO! Large falling raindrops do not have a teardrop shape - they are flattened with the major axis roughly parallel with the ground - shaped more like a hamburger bun [orf.cx] before they break apart. Friction with the air causes the drop to distort as you indicate and high pressure is found below the drop, low above it.
Bang But No Splash (Score:4, Funny)
Finally my question has been answered: (Score:3, Funny)
An obvious case of the (Score:2, Funny)
Does this apply to other situations? (Score:3)
How would the shape of the well-known mushroom cloud change if the detonation occurred in a vaccuum? Would the characteristic double-shockwave be supported by the solids, or does it depend on the atmospheric pressure?
what a waste! (Score:2, Funny)
oh, i see why (Score:2)
If there's no (or little) air, the lift-off force is smaller, therefore they're less likely to take off.
That's pretty much like a high-speed boat (or car) tipping over because of the very high speed - if there wasn't air, it wouldn't tip over.
ping pong balls (Score:2)
That reminds me of an experiment where they dropped thousands of ping pong balls down a slope to simulate an avalanche:
http://www.sciencenetlinks.org/sci_update.cfm?Doc