NASA Unveils Centennial Challenges 262
wonderfesten writes "NASA has finally got its Centennial Challenges program off the ground. Like the X Prize, the Challenges award cash prizes to private inventors who come up with solutions to problems. The first challenges are to design a light-weight, ultra-strength tether and a means of transmitting power wirelessly. But with a prize of just $50,000, will anyone give it a shot?" Details also available on MSNBC and Space.com.
Transmitting power wirelessly... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Yeah, induction will still work, but your transmitter will be sucking so much power that it'll end up a fucking tesla coil, and I don't want to be the operator!
Justin.
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Wasn't he trying to transmit it through the ground, not through the air? His idea, as I remember, was that grounded AC power could be picked up by an object anywhere in the world. The problem was that there was a fundamental flaw in his understanding of power transmission that prevented this concept from ever working.
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Wireless power (Score:3, Funny)
Tannenbaum? (Score:2)
--grendel drago
Space elevator? (Score:4, Insightful)
This has "space elevator" all written over.
Um'... makes sense why, too. (Score:5, Informative)
What's 'spaceaward'? "The Spaceward Foundation is a public-funds non-profit organization dedicated to furthering the cause of space access in educational curriculums and the public." [found in NASA's press release: M05-083 [nasa.gov]]
Competition rules (Score:4, Informative)
To everyone who is positing various ways of transmitting power wirelessly, they already have a method in mind:
Showcasing the first representative prototypes of Space Elevator climbers, this event will re-define public perception of the Space Elevator project by taking the first step away from mathematical models and drawing boards and into the world of real working hardware. By participating, you get the opportunity to partner in writing this unique chapter of history.
The competition provides the race track, in the form of a crane-suspended vertical ribbon, and a strong light source to power the climbers. Competing teams provide climbers, which have to use the power beamed to them and scale the ribbon while carrying some amount of payload. Climbers will be rated according to their speed and the amount of payload they carried.
The climbers (unmanned, of course) will weigh 25-50 kg [50-100 lbs], and will ascend the ribbon at about 1 m/s. [3 feet per second or 2.5 MPH]
The beam source is a 10 kWatt Xenon search-light (80 cm beam diameter, about 25% efficient), which should yield a climber power budget of about 500 watts.
The ribbon is roughly 30cm (1 foot) wide by 1 mm thick, is about 60m (200 feet) long, and is tensioned to about 1 ton.
Building a climber is not an easy task. The designers have to juggle light weight structure, efficient photo-voltaic arrays, efficient motors and power electronics, low-loss traction mechanism, thermal management, and control systems.
Not a walk in the park, but we'll make it worth your while. We will be offering $50,000, $20,000 and $10,000 to the 3 best teams.
link:click here [elevator2010.org]
The competition rules are at the bottom (pdf). Frankly, this sounds more like a college/high school technology building competition than an X-prize.
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Re:Space elevator? (Score:3, Informative)
Hey, NASA used pencils as well. Pens are just better in that conductive fragments don't break off as easily. Also, NASA payed the normal retail price for the pens. The company that developed them did so for marketting purposes. They knew they could sell a lot of space pens by linking them to the space programme even though 99.999% of their customers would never use them in zero gravity.
Just thought I should clarify. It's a bit of an urban legend an
Re:Space elevator? (Score:2)
Current suggestions are Maser or Laser power. The technology is already there, honestly don't know w
Re:Space elevator? (Score:2)
i have a light fitting that functions like that , i know the projects may not be related though its intresting to think about
Thinking about it , it would be a nice way of doing it.
I would hayard a guess that nasa are probably look
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Re:Space elevator? (Score:2)
? Is there any significant dangeour , say if something intersected the Beams path
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Re:Space elevator? (Score:5, Funny)
Oops, I should have patented this variation of the Space Elevator before writing about it....
Re:Space elevator? (Score:2, Informative)
A space elevator/ground to orbit tether is really a misnomer.
It is actually a 120,000 KM long satalite that is in orbit around the planet. It just happens to orbit once per day.
This is an incredibaly delicate system. THe mass has to be exactly balanced or your cable will get out of sync and start dragging on the ground...taking out cities in the process.
The only way it COULD work is if you had a double cable attached at the peak...so each cable is long enough to reach
You misunderstood (Score:2)
The cable is pulled tight by the satelite wanting to fly off into space. It's a bit beyond geostationary orbit, so it isn't actually orbiting in the conventional way.
"The only way it COULD work is if you had a double cable attached at the peak...so each cable is long enough to reach the ground by itself."
Running 2 cables up there would require each to carry half the load, and connecting
Re:You misunderstood (Score:3, Informative)
Not quite....
Based on orbital dynamics:
1. A single structure will orbit at the speed of it's center of mass.
2. Only thoes objects that orbit at geosync. orbit (about 23K KM on earth) will remain over the same spot.
3. Long object will orient in a radial manner through the center of mass of the parent object.
THEREFORE:
The cable is not held
Re:You misunderstood (Score:2)
Orbital dynamics have little to do with a space elevator which is attached to the earth. The ribbon would stay tight even if there was no gravity. Think really hard about that for a moment. It works even wit
Re:You misunderstood (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok your close but still not there.
Space elevators START AS free floating constructions.
The problem with your idea is if they're free floating then there not stable. You would start off with a Huge object in geosync orbit and take a tiny tether and drop it down to earth. The whole time your keeping it in a stable orbit with large rockets / ion jet's. After the tether is there you put it under a tiny amount of tension by moving the object just past th
50000? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Winners of those challenges would receive prizes of $100,000, $40,000 and $10,000 for first, second and third places.
Congress currently limits NASA to awarding prizes of $250,000 or less. The space agency is lobbying lawmakers for the authority to increase the limit to as much as $40 million
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Ultra strength tether (Score:3, Funny)
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Damn...
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You do realise that as soon as your SO sees this, you're going to be screwed?
And I do not mean that in a good way...
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Gasp! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, neither do I.
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I win.... (Score:2, Funny)
I submitted a one page white paper on using the Sun. I can't wait to get my $50,000?
Theodore Sturgeon (Score:2, Informative)
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Correcting you (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws8c
Correcting You (Score:2)
Wat Nasa wants is power through nothing, as in an external power source for let's say an aircraft
key paragraph (Score:3, Informative)
The longer the government stays involved in NASA, the less the chances of NASA having successful missions and regaining achievement through innovation and daring. As long as Congress holds the reigns (and the pursestrings), NASA will be hampered by inefficient bureaucracy and meddling from unqualified naysayers. The XPrize is proof that it's time for government to exit this area of scientific examination and for philanthropists and concerned businesses to take control.
Just my $0.02, not counting inflation or exchange rates
Re:key paragraph (Score:2, Insightful)
Do you honestly think we would have had an orbital space flight, much less a trip to the moon without government involvement in NASA?
Let's look at the major players in space - yep, USA, USSR, and now to some extent China. No government involvement in any of those!
It's great to pull the government out of places where private industry can do better but are you sure private industry can do it better than the government now?
I don't think pri
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NASA does not have a monopoly on government space. The US Air Force does the bulk of the military work in space, along with the National Reconnaissance Office. The Navy also does a little. NASA has nothing to do with military systems such as GPS, DMSP, DSP, Milstar, DCS, TCS, Space Based Laser, SBIRS. They don't even help with the launch: the military has it's own launch facilities at
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Who will own the rights? (Score:2)
Does this mean that they will then own the rights? If so, why would I give something worth much more than $50K to them. So they can have one of their industry buddies "develop" it?
Whether or not NASA will take ownership, I'll be better off ignoring NASA and patenting my stuff on my own.
The prize only serves to provide free publicity.
50k is 50k (Score:3, Funny)
The reward is just that... (Score:2, Insightful)
X Prize reward did not cover development costs... (Score:2)
NASA's Press Release (+inc. links...) (Score:3, Informative)
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Michael Braukus
Headquarters, Washington
(Phone: 202/358-1979)
Metzada Shelef
Spaceward Foundation, Mountain View, Calif.
(Phone: 650/969-2010)
March 23, 2005
RELEASE: M05-083
NASA Announces First Centennial Challenges' Prizes
NASA and its partner, the Spaceward Foundation, today announced prizes totaling $400,000 for four prize competitions, the first under the agency's Centennial Challenges program.
NASA's Centennial Challenges promotes technical innovation through a novel program of prize competitions. It is designed to tap the nation's ingenuity to make revolutionary advances to support the Vision for Space Exploration and NASA goals. The first two competitions will focus on the development of lightweight yet strong tether materials (Tether Challenge) and wireless power transmission technologies (Beam Power Challenge).
"For more than 200 years, prizes have played a key role in spurring new achievements in science, technology, engineering and exploration," said NASA's Associate Administrator for Exploration Systems Mission Directorate, Craig Steidle. "Centennial Challenges will use prizes to help make the Vision for Space Exploration a reality," he added.
"This is an exciting start for the Centennial Challenges program," said Brant Sponberg, program manager for Centennial Challenges. "The innovations from these competitions will help support advances in aerospace materials and structures, new approaches to robotic and human planetary surface operations, and even futuristic concepts like space elevators and solar power satellites," he said.
The Tether Challenge centers on the creation of a material that combines light weight and incredible strength. Under this challenge, teams will develop high strength materials that will be stretched in a head-to-head competition to see which tether is strongest.
The Beam Power challenge focuses on the development of wireless power technologies for a wide range of exploration purposes, such as human lunar exploration and long-duration Mars reconnaissance. In this challenge, teams will develop wireless power transmission systems, including transmitters and receivers, to power robotic climbers to lift the greatest weight possible to the top of a 50-meter cable in under three minutes.
The winners of each initial 2005 challenge will receive $50,000. A second set of Tether and Beam Power challenges in 2006 are more technically challenging. Each challenge will award purses of $100,000, $40,000, and $10,000 for first, second, and third place.
"We are thrilled with our partnership with NASA and we're excited to take the Tether and Beam Power challenges to the next level," said Meekk Shelef, president of the Spaceward Foundation.
The Centennial Challenges program is managed by NASA's Exploration Systems Mission Directorate. The Spaceward Foundation is a public-funds non-profit organization dedicated to furthering the cause of space access in educational curriculums and the public.
For more information about the Challenges on the Internet, visit:
http://www.spaceward.org [spaceward.org]
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Tesla (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Tesla's radiant energy worked but killed people (Score:2)
New prizes announced (Score:5, Funny)
- $10 for first person to discover tenth planet
- $15.75 for invention of anti-gravity device. Must include batteries
- $17.50 for first person to deliver truckload of gold bullion to my house
- $37.50 for proof of alien life
I've got the money right here (pats wallet). Let's all not rush. Stand in line, please.
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LetterRip
Re:New prizes announced (Score:2)
You need to check the timeline [newsmax.com] again on NASA funding before Bush bashing.
NASA budgets since fiscal year 1992:
1993 $14.309 billion, existing NASA budget when Clinton took office;
1994 $14.568 billion, $259 million increase, first Clinton budget;
1995 $13.853 billion, $715 million decrease;
May 19, NASA's administrator unveiled plans to slash thousands of aerospace j [timelines.ws]
Re:New prizes announced (Score:2)
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Give it to Tesla (Score:2)
I also remember reading in a Russian science and technology journal (Yiuniy Tehnik) in the early 90s, about a patent to have a huge solar array in space that would send the power to the ground as a microwave beam.
Re:Give it to Tesla (Score:3, Funny)
You're getting confused with Sim City 2000
Wireless power (Score:3, Informative)
A good idea for wireless power would be lasers (Score:4, Insightful)
The main reason why solar cells are unefficient is that you have to gamble with the bandgap: set it too high, and you will lose to many low energy photons. set it too low, and all those high energy photons will lose all energy >E_gap as phonons/heat. So even an absolutely ideal Solar cell could only get a little over 25% or so efficiency with a backbody spectrum.
But now take a laser and create a optimally tuned solar cell with a bandgap just a bit lower than the laser wavelenght. You should be able to get 20-30% total transmission efficiency at least, imho, after a little optimisation.
That doesnt sound too good, but its not so bad compared to other ways to store and carry energy (batteries, ect).
But of course, having solar power stations in orbit that beam down their power with lasers would make a lot of people very nervous, for very good reasons
Re:A good idea for wireless power would be lasers (Score:2, Funny)
Tesla allready did wireless power transmition (Score:2, Informative)
money money money (Score:3, Interesting)
$50,000?! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:$50,000?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe it's to stimulate young minds? When you're a teenager yet to go to University or College, $50k is a lot of money.
The other thing is, some people will take part purely for the fun of it. If you had to spend money on hardware, $50k might help you recoup your costs, and may provide an incentive for the more economically-challegend amongst us.
Offering a cash prize, however small, gets you in the news. There's no such thing as bad publi
Re:$50,000?! (Score:2)
The money behind the X-Prize wasn't the goal. Everyone in it simply wanted to be the first person in space not launched by a government. We all accept that'd be cool.
But somehow I don't see designing a tether as being quite as exciting, in and of itself.
Re:$50,000?! (Score:2)
You're right.
Somehow I feel I have nothing to add to the discussion except a petty attempt at whoring for karma.
Re:$50,000?! (Score:2)
Re:$50,000?! (Score:2)
Is there some reason it should be as exciting? The problem seems relatively simple and if you win, you get $50,000 from NASA. That sounds sweet enough to me.
A good old NASA conspiracy theory (Score:2)
The sceptic in me wonders whether NASA may just be hoping no-one will bother, then when they go off in a few years time and spend a dcent few 100 million on the projects, they will be like "look we did what no-one else could again".
After all, these days they are having problems stressing their usefulness to a US government itching to spend
Wireless power - got it already? Three ways: (Score:2, Interesting)
A satellite (or other relatively still object) is up in space. It has a large collection grid that is basically a peltier in reverse (heat makes electricity). Fire a laser from the ground at the grid. Boom, wireless power.
Another model: A heat-pipe in reverse (a tank of water or highly boilable liquid with steam pipes turning a generator). Fire said laser at heating point. Liquid boils and turns generator. Liquid cools and returns to heating chamber. Boom, wireless power.
I have a good idea for a challenge (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, maybe I'm being too harsh, it's 20/20 hindsight on my part to think that strapping people to big tanks of fuel and lighting it on fire is dangerous. We were only able to figure that out after they started blowing up, so I maybe they're justified in freezing like a deer in headlights in light of the shuttle tragedies.
Re:I have a good idea for a challenge (Score:2)
NASA has always been aware of the risks of space flight. So have the astronauts who went into orbit, as well as to the moon. Man has always taken risk (had balls, as you so delicately put it) to push the frontier a little further away.
Just because the media has duped sheep such as yourself into believing that space is too dangerous and NASA needs massive reforms doesn't mean that the majority of people feel that way. That's one reason that there isn't a si
Re:I have a good idea for a challenge (Score:2)
I'm critizing NASA (not the astronauts) for being too scared to risk lives.
I guess I'll have to dial down the sarcasm a few notches when posting to
Where's my $50,000? (Score:2)
Transmitting power wirelessly (Score:2, Informative)
That's nothing! (Score:2)
50k prize (of course) (Score:2)
It is therefore not a huge surprise to find the prize is paltry.
I know there are plenty of people at NASA who'd encourage this sort of prize based competition and would want a large prize, because they really want space travel to get going, but the behaviour of an *organisation* as a whole is *not* th
Wrong direction (Score:2, Insightful)
Space is Far Away (Score:2)
Why wirelessly? (Score:2)
Honestly, I'm a little confised. I know people always assume beamed power when talking about the space elevator. But I also usually hear about the tether being made of carbon nanotubes [google.com]. And I know I heard about research in superconducting carbon nanotubes [google.com].
Anyone wanna tell me why this isn't a promising direction of research?
Anm
The solution is not wireless power (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine a watch that took your body heat and with the right chips in the watch would convert that heat and power/charge the watch.
The same could be said for any number of ways to get power somewhere. If things were ultra low powered then fiber optics could be used to power devices.
That is also a reason I think seti faces a problem. Modern civilizations may be using superconductor tech that gives them virtually no ELM footprint past their local region of space. If we do find something more likely that signal will fade and eventually dissapear over time.
just in the nick of time! (Score:2)
I already had a patent pending on "tethers or tethering-style devices or mechanisms which are light in weight, and yet simultaneously and concurrently ultra in strength".
3) Profit!
More info (Score:3, Informative)
MSNBC [msn.com], Space.com [space.com], and Wired [wired.com] report that NASA, in collaboration with the non-profit Spaceward Foundation, has announced [nasa.gov] its first two Centennial Challenges. The Centennial Challenges, inspired by the Ansari X Prize and DARPA Grand Challenge, are prize contests [elevator2010.org] seeking to stimulate private industry development [msn.com] of technologies relevant to space exploration. One contest is the Tether Challenge, for building the sort of super-strong tether needed to make a space elevator feasible. The other is the Beam Power Challenge, for creating a wirelessly-powered ribbon-climbing robot capable of lifting as large a payload as possible within a limited timeframe. The initial set of challenges in 2005 will award $50K to the winners of each contest. A second set of challenges in 2006 will award first, second, and third place prizes worth $100K, $40K, and $10K. It's hoped that these contests will further space elevator technology and help eliminate the 'giggle factor' surrounding them. Additional contests will be announced in the coming weeks, although Congress currently restricts NASA from awarding prizes of more than $250K; the agency is lobbying to try to get this limit raised to $40 million for future prizes.
Re:$50,000? (Score:2)
Re:$50,000? (Score:2)
Over on Astobio.net they have an article [astrobio.net] where Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about the positive return prize money has yielded in real advancements. Seems pretty obvious how good they are for progress so this should help NASA's arguement that they should be able to put up more money. Another poster said they are limited right now to 250,000.
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Plus, for widespread use, there would have to be control measures in place in order to avoid innocent people getting 10000VAC arcs onto their left asscheek. On the upside though, cities could entirely phase out street lights with a thunder system.
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Teleforce (Score:2)
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