Study Points to Sixth Sense in Humans 587
Ben Sullivan writes "St. Louis researchers say there's something to the notion of a 'sixth sense' in humans. A part of the brain known as the cingulate cortex, they've found, likely combines multiple, sometimes unconscious data streams to come to conclusions and send warning signals to the conscious mind. Example: Aboriginal tribesmen somehow sensed the impending danger of December's tsunami in time to flee to higher ground before the first sign of water."
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I don't envy someone with such poor grammar either.
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Poor grammar either? What is that? Can it even be had?
Pot? Kettle. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Pot? Kettle. (Score:4, Insightful)
But for the sake of whacking your argument upside it's head, let's use this guy's name as an example here. "I be hatin'" could more easily be expressed as "I hate." The subject is the same (I) but the verb is pacified ("be" vs. "hate") in the incorrect case. To properly use a passive ("being") verb in this sentence, you would need the word "am" instead of "be". "I am hatin'."
However, the duration of this act (which is how you justify the use of the incorrect English) can be assumed to be the same. How? If there's a TV show that I hate continuously (every time it's on), then "I be hatin' this TV show" would be no more descriptive than "I hate this TV show". Both convey the meaning that you dislike this show strongly no matter what time or place you are exposed to it, and that you'll continue to feel this way into the indefinite future.
English does not lack the verb tense you speak of. There is no need to make excuses for people that refuse to learn to speak or write properly, or who for social reasons pretend that they know less than they really do.
Re:Pot? Kettle. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Pot? Kettle. (Score:3, Informative)
Your argument may say WHY such a form survived in certain groups, but it didn't originate with them (in English), or at least I don't believe it did.
The marker of this kind of subjunctive tense was the use of present infinitive form (without the leading to)
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Logically, the survivors are the ones who did see it coming
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I can confirm that. We had a medium-sized earthquake down in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand when I was a kid (big enough that it was mildly frightening, not big enough to break anything major) and about thirty seconds before the first shock hit our cat went apeshit trying to get out of the house. It got outside, bolted off down the driveway and found itself a bit open space to run a
Re:Tsunami (Score:4, Funny)
I live in an earthquake-prone area, and just a couple of minutes ago my dog suddenly indicated a frantic need to leave the building I live in.
Remarkably, he was able to promptly demonstrate that had I not let him out, a local flood might have occurred!
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It says... (Score:3, Funny)
Hold on, my RSS feed says there's a new article up... I'll get back to you shortly.
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The aborginals fled after they read the signs... (Score:3, Insightful)
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I'd bet that this is known to shore dwellers almost everywhere. Of course, some people are too stupid to listen
Haha! (Score:5, Funny)
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-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]
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Higher ground (Score:4, Insightful)
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Not another pseudoscience story (Score:5, Interesting)
No, they fled to higher ground after they saw the water level drop knowing that it would come back up the same amount that it dropped.
Re:Not another pseudoscience story (Score:5, Insightful)
All IMHO, the brain is a humongous pattern matching system. It learns by ways of emotional or genetic reinforcment. It might very well be that in fact seeing animals flee, even if they're just walking uphill might trigger a dormant pattern and pop up a completely irrational thought that maybe it's time to go up too.
But this is the equivalent of software. Not an additional hardware function that perceives stuff (the sixth sense). That would be like calling intelligence your 7th sense.
I agree - I've experienced this personally (Score:5, Interesting)
The article spells out the test methodology in detail, and it seems solid.
But I have personal experience with this.
I have had extensive navigation training, first as a pilot, and then later in a military career. The Army in particular had very high standards for needing to know exactly where you were at all times (to within 100m) without the aid of something like a GPS.
So you learn to keep a visualization of your surroundings in your head, and to cross-reference that visualization against whatever tools you have (like a map, compass, or odometer) at regular intervals to keep the internal representation in sync with the real world. After some practice, this becomes second nature - muscle memory stuff.
But there's an odd side-effect, at least there is with me. If I make a wrong turn, miss an exit, or make some sort of navigational mistake, something in my subconscious will pick up on it well before I'm ever consciously aware of it (especially if my conscious is somehow distracted away from navigation) It's hard to put into words... but I will get a profound sense of "wrongness", like an inaudible alarm bell. The more I ignore it, the worse it gets.
I have learned not to ignore it. If that alarm goes off, I'll immediately make navigation the highest-priority mental task - and without fail, I will have just goofed somehow.
Unfortunately, this ability does not convey any other information other than "you are no longer on the planned course". There is a recognition function in there, but no follow-on advisory function. It's still up to conciousness to correct the problem once discovered.
When it happens though... it's really a very odd feeling, and it's quite strong.
DG
Re:I agree - I've experienced this personally (Score:3, Funny)
When it happens though... it's really a very odd feeling, and it's quite strong."
I get the same feeling when walking into a mall. It's not a joke (despite looking like one) and it doesn't happen with other large or small indoor spaces. Crowd
Science beats pseudoscience every time (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of the local indigenous people had stories handed down over generations from their ancestors who had also suffered through a tsunami, and from these stories some of them recognized the warning signs and knew what to do. No mystical explanation required in that case.
A good example of the value that even conventional science holds over anything paranormal is the 10-year old British girl who recognized the warning signs from having listened in her geography class, and saved hundreds of lives by warning those on the beach and nearby hotel to evacuate.
By comparison: Even though there are millions of psychics/clairvoyants and other people who claim to be able to predict the future worldwide, not one predicted the tsunami! Remarkable?
This is not to say that there isn't something to the study descibed in the article; animals and aboriginals may all have 'felt' the earthquake (even from far - elephants' feet for example have specially adapted sensors that are very sensitive to vibrations), and just thought it prudent to get out of the way just in case. However the use of the term "sixth sense" implies a paranormal explanation, when in fact you can pretty much bet that the true explanation, whatever it turns out to be, is going to be quite logical and rational. This is perhaps more likely just poor journalism rather than poor science.
(These stories with a 'pseudoscientific bent' seem to reveal a creeping trend away from rational thinking on slashdot, which several years ago used to feel like one of the few good places on the Net where one could get away from that sort of gullible mainstream uninformed discourse :/ Is Slashdot now officially "mainstream"?)
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I am certain that the responsible 'authorities' are reverse engineering the Bible Code(tm) and Nostradamus' Quatrains as we discuss this.
wbs
Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time (Score:3, Interesting)
Indeed. It might be more appropriate to say there are sixth, seventh, and eighth, etc. senses. It has been postulated that we are sensitive to a variety of stimula that other animals are capable of sensing (magnetic fields, pheromones, etc.) but that these senses are either vestigal or their input is overwhelmed by the high bandwidth requirements of visio
Re:Science beats pseudoscience every time (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, the fact that the "debunking" posts usually get modded up, is a sign that the crowd is still predominantly scientifically oriented.
Re:Not another pseudoscience story (Score:5, Informative)
It's not a sixth sense (Score:4, Interesting)
It's basically a combination of these two things: your skin is much more sensitive than you realize, and that sense is not nearly as accurate as you think it is.
To see this, get two friends to help test this sense. You will stand (or sit, whichever) in the middle of the room, blindfolded and wearing ear plugs, and one friend will stand behind you at a designated spot, being careful not to breath on the back of your neck. The other friend will blow a loud whistle - loud enough to hear through the earplugs - occasionally and at each whistle blow you will need to say if someone is behind you or not. Make sure that your friends choose whether to stand behind you or not before each whistle blow by using some random source, such as a coin flip or dice roll.
If this "sense" does not completely disappear when you've eliminated sight and sound, then retest while wearing a coat with a hood, or something else to completely cover your arms, back, and neck.
I have found myself that during the winter I can navigate around in complete darkness without bumping into things because I "sense" them about half an inch before I'd bump into them. It's not a sixth sense - it's that the static in the air makes the hair on my exposed legs stand up when I approach most objects. A pair of longjohns kills this "sense" completely.
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Im sure most people have at one point in their lives for an unexplainable reason (till now i guess) done something other then what they wanted to - and was better off because of it.
I use my sixth sense all the time... (Score:2, Funny)
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Aboriginal tribesmen (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, from the article: (Score:5, Informative)
The rest of the article says essentially the same thing -- the brain learns to recognise a pattern of making mistakes, not that is able to sense impending danger before it happens or whatever.
The slashdot summary needlessly sensationalised this simple fact.
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Yeah, the whole "five senses" thing is crap from ancient greek philosophy. It's more accurate than their "four elements", but it's still not correct. There are numerous other senses. Balance (as you mentioned), sensed by the motion of fluid in the inner ear; proprioception/kinesthesia (as another poster mentioned), sensing body position; There are several "internal" senses-- hunger, full bladder, etc.-- as well. Basically, anything that your nervous system consciously registers (internal or external) is a sense. Technically, that tingling feeling you get just before a lightning strike during a thunder storm could be called your "sense of lightning". At best, those five senses Aristotle and his contemporaries enumerated could be called "the five most obvious external senses".
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It still seems like a very valid point that it's flawed when it comes to not mentioning our sense of "balance" though. The sense of body position is an interesting one... Amputees often report having sensations that their missing appendage is
Only Five Senses? (Score:5, Interesting)
Isn't hearing basically a type of interpreted "feeling"-- your inner ear contains small hairs that feel the compression of air, which are then experienced as sound.
Since people are talking about phantom-limb, I think one might also mention the reverse-- the sense that your body extends beyond its normal self-- ie, that weird feeling that you've 'fused' with a car/game/musical instrument so that they feel like an attachment or extension to you-- that you become so comfortable with them that you don't think of the interface between you and that object.
When I'm driving for long periods of time, I do sometimes feel as though the car has become to some effect an extension of my body. To move the car, I don't conciously think that I need to use my arms to turn the wheel, I just kind of will the car to turn, and my arms do what's necessary. I've had this experience with video games as well. In a way, your brain accepts that you've become part OF that object. Another example-- once I learned to type, I no longer needed to think about the mechanics of typing, the words just kind of flow to the screen as I think them.
I guess one's brain just adapts itself to your physical "hookup" and tries to streamline the input and output streams so that they are as efficient as possible.
So, yeah, I agree that the 5 senses idea seems kind of over-simplified. I suspect that whatever your nerves are wired to, after along enough your brain will adapt enough to accept it as a source of "input". I'm sure this has been tried. Does anyone know of an experiment like this one [cnn.com] where a person's senses were "extended" via hardware?
And what about that creepy-- and often annoying-- feeling that someone's reading over your shoulder? That "feeling" that you're being watched? What's that all about? Which of the five senses is used to describe THAT?
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Re:And at least seventh and eighth, too. (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, they couldn't very well interview (Score:5, Insightful)
Speaking for myself here... (Score:3, Funny)
My brains "oops" center is located in a more southern and groinular region.
Ugh (Score:5, Informative)
* The point of the discovery is that the region of the brain discussed in the article helps to determine, based on past experience and the current situation, whether something is a bad idea or not.
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I can tell you that there's no evidence suggesting this to be the case - including from the study mentioned in the original post.
Good ole synchronicity (Score:2, Funny)
When you're dining out and you suspect something's wrong, you're probably right.
Well, better head back to the Dreamland...(and no, that's not the name of the new Arnold restaurant)
Every mother knows this (Score:5, Interesting)
I can't explain the tsunami warning phenomenon, but a lot of subtle perceptions lie close to the surface, and I think there's a scientific explanation for everything.
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I'm not using the part that lets me recognise someone's mood from their expression because I'm alone in this room right now. I'm not using the parts that let me plan my route through a location that I have a mental map of in memory as I would when walking to the shop, since I'm ust sitting still.
The brain is composed of many interacting parts with quite specific jobs. We use the parts we need to use at any time. It's a myth to think that we could be more productive if we could somehow harness the unused "brain power" and use 100% of our brains at once. In fact we're more productive when we use only the parts that are directly relevant to the task at hand. There are people who tend to use more of their brains at any one time than the rest of us. We call that phenomenon ADD, attention deficit disorder.
I've always known about this (Score:3, Interesting)
Then I realised it was an overhead power line. There were four of them, crossing the house at shoulder level.
I don't know what made me stop my hand, inches from grabbing hold of that high voltage wire, but I've made the most of my life ever since. (And I never got that damned plane back, either.)
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BS. What are you doing on Slashdot then?
How do we know... (Score:5, Interesting)
Cold Fusion (Score:4, Insightful)
Sixth sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Not infeasible (Score:2)
Identifying a neurological component in our intuition by way of a reasonable study doesn'
Yeah, for example (Score:5, Insightful)
It's true that there is definitely a region of the brain that manages anxiety - and that all sorts of things can make people anxious - seemingly for no reason!
However, neurotic != psychic. There are no *new senses* under discussion here, just a better understanding of how the brain manages that feeling of impending doom you sometimes get.
Do other mammals have similar brain structures? Yes.
Do they probably use them to avoid danger, incl. forest fires and tsunamis? Almost certainly.
Do we, higher mammals, probably retain whatever hard-coded sensory cues cause our little forest friends to flee natural disasters? We probably do, yes. When someone is in the supermarket and they have a panic attack for no reason, might it be because the kiwi display is triggering the same mechanism that is supposed to make us flee from a tsunami? Maybe.
"In the past, we found activity in the ACC when people had to make a difficult decision among mutually exclusive options, or after they made a mistake," Brown said. "But now we find that this brain region can actually learn to recognize when you might make a mistake, even before a difficult decision has to be made. So the ACC appears to act as an early warning system -- it learns to warn us in advance when our behavior might lead to a negative outcome, so that we can be more careful and avoid making a mistake."
This has nothing to do with psychic powers! Fucking idiot journalists.
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Whether you agree with calling it a sixth sense or not, they observed an effect, formulated a hypothesis, designed and executed an experiment with sound methodology in a controlled environment, and applied the results to validating their hypothesis. Their theory is supported by scientific evidence and can be used to predict new things. This is science, and is quite obviously not pseudoscience if one RTFA.
More than six already (Score:5, Insightful)
Just try closing your eyes and touching your fingertips together. That's your sense of location working. Ever fly in an aerobatic aircraft? That strange feeling in your stomach is your sense of acceleration telling you which direction you're being shoved in. There are plenty more, if you care to think about them.
The headline is misleading though. The activity being measured in the tests;
is a consequence of analysis, not sensation. It looks like we have mechanism in brains which can reflexively assess and respond to novel dangers.
Quelle surprise...
Re:More than six already (Score:3, Insightful)
No it doesn't (Score:3, Insightful)
People get feelings and act on them all the time. We only hear about the rare times when they coincide with an actual event.
Seventh? (Score:2)
That would make this the seventh sense, unless there's some reason that time is never included.
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But can it... (Score:3, Funny)
Incoming Data... (Score:2)
Sounds like Bayesian filtering... (Score:4, Insightful)
I liken it to Bayesian because it seems to be based on analyzing what happened in the past in order to attempt to predict what is *going* to happen in the future.
For spam:
Stuff with these characters are often spam, let's bump this score up a bit.
For danger:
Everytime x happens, y seems to happen afterwards, so I should flee.
This isn't magic, guys. It's just another advantage of the subconcious doing work behind the scenes.
Re:Sounds like Bayesian filtering... (Score:3, Interesting)
Ah, you belong here at Slashdot. Your sense of sarcasm is highly tuned. Unfortunately, I think this is like Bayesian Inference.
From Wikipedia: Bayesian inference is statistical inference in which probabilities are interpreted not as frequencies or proportions or the like, but rather as degrees of belief.
I can't help but s
Tribesman (Score:4, Interesting)
1) Their land was not deforested and the trees slowed down the onslaught of the waves.
2) An ancient legend warns them to seek higher ground when the ground shakes.
Thus, all of them survived.
The Mac analogy (Score:3, Funny)
They headed the warning signs (Score:4, Informative)
I am sure the brain does have sub systems that try and trigger responses from us, like when we tune into a baby crying or other things, I am sure that our senses are more sensitive than we realise, but mostof it is filtered out.
Sounds like headline grabbing terminology bending.
But saying it is a sixth sense does not mean that IT KNEW MORE than what was being told to it by the 5 senses we do actually have (perhaps we can like pigeons sense magnetics also).
So please, like robotics, nanotech and every other buzz word that gets recycled, make sure you really are saying what you are saying.
Generational knowledge (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a sixth sense (Score:3, Funny)
Equilibrium? (Score:3, Informative)
Cheers,
Adolfo
It's the violins, stupid! (Score:3, Funny)
Attention: TFA has nothing to do with psychics (Score:4, Insightful)
They're using the term "sixth sense" because that's what many people call this ability - and attribute it to psychic, mystical phenomena. They're using the colloquial name for it, but demonstrating what it really is - an ability to subconsciously process subtle clues that you're not even consciously aware of, and use them to determine when danger is coming. The article makes no claims of psychic powers or mysticism or paranormal activity - if anything it's the opposite. It's like showing that people don't get sick because a bad spirit infested them, but because germs infested them. They're still getting sick, but for a real reason.
Re:Stop with the damn "paranormal" stories!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
I did - expecting to read exactly what you expressed. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Other possible ones would be hunger, thirst, diziness, nausea from food poisoning, etc.
The difference is those aren't senses of the outside world, but rather feelings about the state of your own body. That doesn't mean they aren't relavent or as "real" as the normal 5 senses, but they aren't really a sense in the same way that smell or sight is. I can't say to someone else "hey, do you feel that hunger over their?"
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Re:and a couple more senses for your list (Score:4, Insightful)
From TFA: What they have found is not a sense, but a cognitive module within the brain. Senses provide INPUT to these modules. This module isn't gathering input from external sources, but is processing input from our input detectors (touch, sight, sound, taste, smell).
As the article points out, the aboriginals fled when the animals did. This is not surprising -- they long ago learned that animals may "sense" danger, and flee their habitat. They have identified that when this happens, it's probably in their best interest to flee as well.
When the tsunami hit, there were dozens of news reports saying how the animals left the area. The first thing I said in response to that, was, "Why didn't the people leave as well? Especially if this is a warning sign for danger?"
Being able to interpret input and make a logical and reasonable descision is all this article is about. All the scientists have done is find an area that specialises in determining what input indicates a potential hazard to our lives. I won't knock them for this, but it's certainly not a sixth sense.
In other words (Score:3, Interesting)
In other words...another sense? Which would be a sixth sense, seeing as we have five others?
Sixth sense doesn't automatically mean "psychic." If they find a part of the brain that senses danger which didn't previously know about, then that's another sense that we have; a s
Re:So THAT'S how Bush won! (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that doesn't sound very hard...
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This is due to a user error. You're not supposed to read the article.
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