Top 10 Scientific Advances of 2004 381
TarrVetus writes "Science Magazine's The Top Ten Science Breakthroughs of 2004 have been announced. The winner: The NASA Rovers and their evidence of water on Mars. The runner up was the Hobbit species found in Indonesia. Other breakthroughs include cloned human embryos and the first discovered pulsar pair."
What about the Beagle? (Score:5, Funny)
not 2004... (Score:3, Funny)
That daaawg don't hunt (Score:2)
Anyway, it was one of dem foreign daaawgs.
Re:What about the Beagle? (Score:4, Funny)
We Brits get there first again. Your American Rovers have failed to do anything more spectacular than create a few wheel tracks in spite of being there for months and months.
Re:What about the Beagle? (Score:3, Informative)
Apollo 11 was the first manned mission to the Moon.
(There were a few umanned missions that made soft landings prior to that (mostly Soviet), but I don't know whether they contained seismometers.)
Also, I doubt that stage 2 of anu Apollo mission ever left Earth orbit.
You may be thinking of the service module, but that was needed to get
what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally though if I were Science I wouldn't give SpaceShipOne a prize this year, since getting someone into space isn't technically by itself a new development in even applied science. I'd give it to them in a year or two-- once they manage to successfully begin operating their spaceliner business, since that IS going to be a dramatic change in how science is applied...
Re:Hmm (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:2)
Re:what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:2)
I consider that a pretty awesome feat as i assume many others do
An awesome feat to be sure, but it isn't a scientific advance in and of itself. I would categorize it as a technical/engineering achievement (i.e., effective application of scientific knowledge to effect a specific result). To be a scientific, there must be a contribution of new knowledge or observational evidence that contributes to the development of knowledge. (Although I suppose we can argue about how much new knowledge the SS1 devel
Re:what about SpaceshipOne? (Score:2)
I consider that a pretty awesome feat as i assume many others do
Yes, it was an awesome feat for an individual company to do such a thing, but as far as scientific breakthroughs -- maybe in the early to mid 60s, but not in 2004.
Hobbits? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Hobbits? (Score:3, Funny)
No, no, no! Hobbits and dwarves are completely different! Dwarves get a bonus to constitution, while hobbits get extra dexterity! Really, what sort of a geek are you?
The Office (Score:3, Funny)
Man: No, he's a midget.
David: What's the difference?
Man: Well, a dwarf is someone who has disproportionately short arms and legs.
David: Oh, I know the ones. (He does a dwarf impression)
Man: Yeah, it's caused by a hormone deficiency.
David: Yeah. Bloody hormones.
Man: A midget is still a dwarf, but their arms and legs are in proportion.
David: Sure. (Gareth suddenly appears out of no-where)
Gareth: So, what's an elf?
David:
Re:Hobbits? (Score:5, Interesting)
Most paleontologist believe this is a new species. The bones (they aren't even fossilised!) were found by an Australian/Indonesian team that was originaly lookng for evidence of the people who first colonized Australia. Apparently a bigshot Indonesian paleontologist got pissed of by being left out (some scientific bigshots expect to get their names papers without having to actually do any work), and then... [boingboing.net]
Re:Hobbits? (Score:2, Informative)
Also, the brain mass of Homo Florensis was apparently smaller than the other human species' brains of the time--pitty that they traded brain mass for lower food requirements.
Re:Hobbits? (Score:2)
After all, we trade that for some TV, Cheetos, and Mountain Dew.
Re:Hobbits? (Score:2)
Re:Hobbits? (Score:2)
Re:Hobbits? (Score:3, Interesting)
You know, there are documented cases of humans (even groups of them - mutants who share the same parents or have the same disease) whose skeletal structure is as different from the norm as the norm is from all the other species in the Homo genus. Is it possible that we've got it wrong, and that we've only r
How many get debunked later? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How many get debunked later? (Score:2)
Re:How many get debunked later? (Score:2)
On a more serious note, do you ever stop and think that 500 years from now our ancestors are going to be making fun of us and our backwards notions of the world?
Re:How many get debunked later? (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, no, I don't -- because, just about 500 years ago, something fundamental changed in our worldview: science, in the modern sense, was born. The scientists of the Renaissance (Galileo, Kepler, Newton come to mind) were wrong about many things, but they were right about many more, and they established the methods we still use today to und
Award should go to creation scientists (Score:5, Funny)
Just in case the site gets slashdotted (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Just in case the site gets slashdotted (Score:2)
what about the remaining days in 04? (Score:4, Funny)
Cloning / Souls (Score:2, Interesting)
"The fact it can be done begins to move us away from some of the mysteries surrounding human beings; things like the existence of a soul, which frankly is pure imagination," he told the BBC News website.
Amen, brotha.
Re:Cloning / Souls (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Cloning / Souls (Score:2)
Amen, brotha.
Cue flamewar in 5... 4... 3...
Re:Metaphysics (Score:5, Insightful)
The second sentence doesn't imply the first. It's as if you said: "There is no music. There are only density waves in the air."
Re:Cloning / Souls (Score:2)
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No Exoplanet Picture? (Score:4, Insightful)
And it's not even on the list? The still questionable "discovery" of a wet Martian past makes the top of the list, but a deffinitive leap of scientific discovery (ie a fuzzy and blurred but very real picture of an extrasolar planet) doesn't even receive mention on the list (even if the article was kind enough to mention it)?
Great, more units... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Great, more units... (Score:2)
By that, the densisy is probably about eight LoC's per hogshead furlong.
Re:Great, more units... (Score:2)
Scientific errors (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't happen to believe in the soul as it appears in most religions, but I fail to see how a successful cloning experiment completely disproves the idea that helps countless millions cope with their lives. Statements like these hurt the image of the scientific community in the eyes of the public, i.e. the people the science is supposedly trying to improve the lives of.
If he had really disproven the soul or God (which is impossible to to the vague nature of their descriptions) then he should by all means spread this proof, but since he hasn't, then he should just STFU.
He is making scientific conclusions based on his faith that the soul is not real. That's just stupid.
Disprove? (Score:3, Insightful)
However, as our scientific understanding of a phenomenon grows, it naturally replaces the earlier, superstitious myths that sought to explain it. This is not to say that those myths are completely without value. They may indeed "help
read it again, Pious IIX (Score:3, Insightful)
The reason that successful cloning sheds light on the idea of the soul is that the soul is supposedly the thing that makes us specially human - it (the soul) derives from the concept of the animus, or "spark of life". The church teaches that a soul can only be created by god, not humans. So, the successful cloning of a human, resulting in a living, thinking person, created by people by human ingenuity in
Re:read it again, Pious IIX (Score:3, Interesting)
All religions break down in the face of science except Taoism because all religions are based on human arrogance and ignorance. Taoism is based on quantum uncertainty and questi
The buzz I heard is... (Score:2, Informative)
I've always wondered why the excitement over embryonic stem cells. Adult stem cells seem to be safer, and umbilical chords and liposuction seem to be a plenty good source for these little wonders.
Well had I hung my hat on the theory that it justified abortion (and that may have much to do with
Re:The buzz I heard is... (Score:3, Informative)
You had it right the first time. There is no advantage from a patent point of view to using embryonic stem cells for a particular application. You could file the same thing with adult stem cells. The frenzy over stem cells (on both sides) is fallout from the aborto
Re:The buzz I heard is... (Score:2)
I don't get how people can end up in logical holes like that.
There are allready aborted embryos. Right now, they are disposed off. If they were instead preserved and used to save lives, it would be a Good Thing(tm).
And, if they were preserved, anti-abortion nutjobs could adopt them and reimplant them into their matrices.
Opposing this research: waste.
This research: saved lives.
Who's "pro life", again, exactly? Sigh.
Re:The buzz I heard is... (Score:2)
The argument isn't we shouldn't use stem cells from ebryos currently going to waste, the argument is that allowing the use of embryonic stem cells will create a market for them, which will increase the number of abortions performed.
Hell, I'm in favor of pursuing stem cell research as vigorously as possible, and your argument pisses me off.
Their argument isn't irrational as you claim, it's a matter of different values. They see the risk of encouraging pregnancy for the purpose of abort
Hypocrites. (Score:2)
I think it's a strawman argument built up as part of the carpet anti-abortion extravaganza, it's dishonest.
If they really believed that the trouble lays in the sale of made-to-order embryos, they would campaign against that. Not against research on all abort
Re:The buzz I heard is... (Score:2)
Thus it would seem that drug companies, those most likely to be doing all the patenting, have a great deal more profit to be made and suffering people to exploit by keeping us tied to technologies that require them to develop no n
Re:The buzz I heard is... (Score:2, Interesting)
The key is in the details, and one of the first distinctions made in this discussion is a particular kind of stem cell research -- embryonic. I'm unaware of any party that is against stem cell research, but then I don't belong to a political party either. You caught that distinction better than most, and I thank you for it.
Even further lost in the other responses in this discus
Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:5, Insightful)
All that aside, I'm sure there are big breakthroughs in our understanding of the role of non-coding regions, and it probably deserves to be mentioned. However, one important point to make is that in spite of all this, there ARE parts of the genome that are unquestionably useless evolutionary vestiges. This is not necessarily mysterious, but it is interesting (for example, providing what is in my mind the most convincing evidence of evolution).
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:2)
They removed most of the DNA from lab mice and produced living, healthy mice with no apparent side effects.
As a biologist, you should know this. Watch the news: stay up to date in your field.
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:2)
Most? [wellcome.ac.uk] 3% of the genome doesn't seem like "most". "Some", maybe.
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:2)
Well, lookadat... I thought they had removed more than that. Ok, I stand corrected, thanks.
The "junk" is "most", they removed part of it...
Note to self: Part of "most" != "most";
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:2)
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:5, Informative)
Nobrega et al. Science 302:413- (2003).
Nobrega et al. made 2 knockout mice, deleting 2 Mb and 1 Mb (Mb= 10e6 basepairs of DNA) regions, respectively, of the genome called "deserts", i.e., gene poor regions that nonetheless are highly conserved between humans and mice, but not humans and fish. The authors believed that since this sequence was conserved, it must not be junk, and therefore likely contains cis-acting regulatory sequences that important for gene regulation. When these regions were deleted, however, the mice developed normally and had no apparent defects or pathologies. In other words, what was once thought to be junk, then thought to not be junk, turns out to be junk again (sounds like a Fark cliche).
Here is another link [sciencemag.org] that is informative. One possibility that is mentioned in this blurb is that the knockout mice are just defective in a non-obvious way.
Re:Discrediting mention of junk DNA (Score:2)
You haven't spoken to
Regarding the "soul" issue... (Score:2)
Starting with a soulless being, they avoid the God problem.
Prof. Higgins (Score:4, Insightful)
Religion is about trying to understand what our purpose is. Anyone claiming science is for said purpose has merely made a religion for themselves out of science. Science is the accumulation of information using the scientific method. Repeat after me, science is in no way meant to be a search for our purpose as humans. Class dismissed.
Re:Prof. Higgins (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Prof. Higgins (Score:3, Interesting)
This is true. The existence of a purpose is irrelevant to the statement. Whether or not we have one, the goal of science is not discerning its existence or what it is.
Re:Prof. Higgins (Score:3, Insightful)
Not: "Religion is about searching for purpose, and if we discover one, understanding what it is."
To me, he's assuming that we as humans have some greater purpose, and we just have to get busy and figure it out. I disagree with that assumption.
I parsed the sentence differently than you, I guess. But I stick by my original comment.
Re:Prof. Higgins (Score:2, Insightful)
No, philosophy is about trying to understand what our purpose is. Religion is about someone else telling you what they think the our purpose is based upon guesses and "just so" stories.
Re:Prof. Higgins (Score:3, Insightful)
You fail the class
Accumulation of information is the province of librarians. Science tries to understand what's going on.
And while speaking about the "purpose" of humans is clearly the domain of philosophy (not necessarily religious) and not science proper, I see no reason to frown on people who want to engage in philosophica
Greatest Contribution to the World (Score:2, Funny)
What about the Dudes who figured out how to filter cheap Vodka to make it semi drinkable?
That's gotta count for something!
See previous "Hacking Vodka" article here on
1st physical evidence for string theory (Score:5, Informative)
Clouds and frost on mars (Score:3, Informative)
The Hobbit Discovery is a Prank (Score:2, Funny)
Top 10? (Score:2)
The one that got away (Score:2)
"The one week in 2004 that passed without Micro$oft having to issue a security update".
Re:The one that got away (Score:3, Funny)
"The one week in 2004 that passed without Micro$oft having to issue a security update".
Sorry, wrong department. You want 'Myths and Fantasies'. Down the hall and to the left.
award for worst "scientific" conclusions (Score:3, Insightful)
Jenet and Scott Ransom of McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, have developed a theoretical model to explain the behavior of this one-of-a-kind set of pulsars.
"One of a kind"? Just because we haven't seen any others, means there are no others?
For shame. Feynman would totally kick these people's asses.
Mars Water = Hype? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why do I always get the feeling that the scientists who get to decide that "major" advances such as Mars water have a personal interest in generating PR for their field?
I agree that research in space is pretty neat and all and is worth doing, but couldn't we all agree that the discoveries recently at NASA have been pretty disappointing, even if they are valuable for some esoteric research fields?
...and how come when the whole "life on Mars" thing happened a few years back, the NASA researchers were all parading in front of TV cameras when they found some interesting "formations" on a mars rock found in a meteor, but then when those formation were found to be somewhat suspect, they were all mum about it... so all that the public saw about doubts of their hyped findings was a small article in the back of Scientific American? Are the NASA researchers really doing good science here?
...just to be clear, I'll gladly admit my ignorance- I hope someone can give some clear answers to my questions and can tell me if there is really something exciting enough about these spherules in some Mars crater...
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Conrad Barski
"Space scientist" = TImes Man of the Year (Score:3, Interesting)
Hobbits? Idiots! They're Minehune (Score:3, Interesting)
http://kalama.doe.hawaii.edu/~laakea/class/maik
http://www.spiritsouthseas.com/menehune.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menehune
Re:Illegality (Score:5, Informative)
It's not illegal. You just won't get federal funding.
Re:Illegality (Score:5, Informative)
In case your interested.
Re:Illegality (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:already /.ed? (Score:2)
However, if you actually do manage it, the story was also covered by the Independent [independent.co.uk] today.
Re:already /.ed? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmm, don't know... reckon we can swamp this lot [bbc.co.uk]? It'd be challenging, I admit, but wouldn't it be tremendous to brag about to the grandchildren in years to come?
Re:already /.ed? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:already /.ed? (Score:3, Funny)
So could the BBC create a webserver that the BBC couldn't crash?
Re:already /.ed? (Score:2, Funny)
If a tree falls in the forest while nobody's around, does it make a sound?
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
What's God's bandwidth?
Re:already /.ed? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
Just a little bit of a problem there
you need an atmosphere first to grow anything.
You would have to spend a generation pushing asteroids into mars to increase the gravity enough to actually hold on to an atmosphere first.
Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:2)
Now I'm waiting because I've tried three times to post but keep getting bounced by the 20 second timer. There that should work.
Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:2)
Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:2)
Experiment: Don't drink any for 3 days, then come back to report your findings
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Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:2)
Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:is water really necessary for life? (Score:2)
As much as I love Asimov, there was the Horta in Star Trek over ten years prior to this.
Re:Sooooo.... (Score:2)
no, they're basing it on "skeletons of a hobbit-like species of human that grew no larger than a three-year-old modern child." Do plurals mean nothing to you?
Re:Sooooo.... (Score:3, Funny)
he was no doubt confused by the lack of apostrophe's
Re:Sooooo.... (Score:2)
No, and no.
Re:Sooooo.... (Score:2)
Well, adult bones are different from bones still in growth. There are "caps" that form to cause the bone to stop growing. And I'm not a biologist but I'm guessing that the bones of dwarves are in some way malformed compared to normal adult humans. Otherwise I'd be as suprised as you, if their findings aren't based on known fact about bone formation and abnormalities thereof it'd be easily dismissed.
Re:Sooooo.... (Score:2)
They also compared the bones to those of human children, as well as adults who were dwarfed because of a disease, and concluded that these were adults who were naturally small.
Things like this go through peer review, and there are plenty of others who question the findings. So far it hasn't been debunked, but scientists still don't have enough data to be absolutely confident.