



Students Design A Satellite Via Internet 137
Roland Piquepaille writes "A group of 250 students from many European universities has collectively designed a satellite by using a dedicated news server and weekly chats on Internet. By using the Web, the virtual team was able to move from design to construction in less than a year. The SSETI Express is currently under integration in one of the technology centers of the European Space Agency (ESA) in the Netherlands. Only a few selected members of the team will attend the launch which will be part of the Russian mission Cosmos DMC-3 in May 2005. The SSETI Express will embark three mini 'cubesats' for specific experiments while the main satellite will test a propulsion system and act as a transponder for amateur radio users. I sure hope that this collaborative action will be successful. Read this summary for more details."
Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:2, Interesting)
Space missions are a problem, because the project lifespan from first spade to launch is typically five to ten years, too long for students to have a chance to get involved without a career decision.
These cubesats are an excellent idea, because they can hitch a ride on some commercial launch since their payload&volume are minimal.
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:2, Informative)
I agree, mostly.
It's nice to allow students (and their professors) this opportunity, but given their very small size (10cm!) these aren't terribly useful or complex creations.
They're more like the 'Hello, World!' version of satellites. How instructive can these things be? Perhaps the real lesson is how the distributed group worked together, rather than what they produced?
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:3, Insightful)
The cubesat AAUSAT-II [aausatii.aau.dk]the we (the students at AAU AAU [www.aau.dk]) are working on includes systems that are more advanced than many commercial satellites.
The communication system utilizes a CAN-bus which is something NASA is still doing feasability studies on. The attitude determination and control system provides full three axis stabilisation and control using magnetorquers and momentum wheels for actuation and sunsen
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Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:2)
Welcome to the real world of engineering. Few projects of any value take less than five to ten years, it's not unique to space, but common to every engineering discipline.
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:1)
Jaysyn
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:1)
Please avoid the patronizing tone. And if you're implying that a space mission is "just another project", I have to respectfully disagree; I think there are few areas where fault-tolerance is so close to nil.
Re:Design to construction in less than a year... (Score:1)
But will it crash in China? (Score:3, Funny)
Roland the Whammer (Score:3, Insightful)
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Note that if he was less of a hypocrit, it would read "Read this summary for the same details but with lots of ads that make me rich."
Re:Roland the Whammer (Score:5, Informative)
A lot of the stories are pretty interesting, which helps. But, wouldn't they be just as good without the traffic links? If he wants a link to his site, it's right there under his name already.
Re:Roland the Whammer (Score:1, Insightful)
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Re:Roland the Whammer (Score:4, Insightful)
Roland Piquepaille? Isn't that the guy people bitch about, even though bitching about it gives Slashdot more reason to keep him?
Re:Roland the Whammer (Score:1, Flamebait)
More reason to keep him? That should be easy enough to fix. Just make it your policy to mod down as overrated any comment posted to a Piquepaille story that's not a Piquepaille criticism, and encourage others to do the same. I suspect that that would make his submissions of much less value to Slashdot.
Personally, I think the guy's abusing the system and that
it looks like .. (Score:4, Funny)
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And it was even made by a collective of students!
2 more builds! (Score:1)
Great, they can build 2 more [slashdot.org]
What next? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Roland Piquepaille!!! (Score:1)
Re:Roland Piquepaille!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe Im too new, maybe just dense (Score:1)
Re:Maybe Im too new, maybe just dense (Score:1)
This is why [slashdot.org].
AHHHH, I see (Score:2)
Just kidding. If there is a way to an easy $, it will be figured out. That is the nature of the universe.
Re:Maybe Im too new, maybe just dense (Score:1)
He gets story after story posted here, just to drive traffic to his crappy slashdot-wanna-be blog, and he probably gets ad revenue from it.
Maybe if his site was a little less fringe-lunatic junk science he wouldn't be so reviled.
I personally think he has some deal with the slashdot editors to get his stories posted because _nobody_ else has the story acceptance record this guy does. Nobody is anywhere close.
Re:Maybe Im too new, maybe just dense (Score:1)
Douchebaggery at its finest.
Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine an extention of this work being used to solve problems and develop workarounds for breakage on the ISS or (dare I say it....) Mars.
This is really very cool.
Re:Wow (Score:2, Funny)
why can't we do it? (Score:5, Funny)
imagine a large, spherical grey satellite...
any post made by the trolls against this satellite would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they have obtained. This satellite would be the ultimate power in LEO!
trolls: That's no communications satellite. It's a slashdotting station!
Re:why can't we do it? (Score:1)
Whee fuck Piqy! (Score:3, Informative)
A group of 250 students from many European universities has collectively designed a satellite by using a dedicated news server and weekly chats on Internet. By using the Web, the virtual team was able to move from design to construction in less than a year. The SSETI Express is currently under integration in one of the technology centers of the European Space Agency (ESA) in the Netherlands. Only a few selected members of the team will attend the launch which will be part of the Russian mission Cosmos DMC-3 in May 2005. The SSETI Express will embark three mini 'cubesats' for specific experiments while the main satellite will test a propulsion system and act as a transponder for amateur radio users. I sure hope that this collaborative action will be successful. Read more...
Here is what ESA says about this collective work over Internet.
Scattered in universities across Europe, a 250-strong team of students have never collectively met in person, but between them they have built a space-ready satellite.
Collaboration between the pan-European network of students, universities and experts involved in the Student Space Education and Technology Initiative (SSETI) has been carried out via the internet.
Now that the completed subsystems are being delivered to ESA's European Space Technology Centre (ESTEC) in the Netherlands, remote participants from Italy to Denmark are eagerly following the integration process through daily photo updates, the integration logbook, and even a webcam.
What is the mission of this satellite?
Like a Russian doll, SSETI Express will carry inside it three smaller 'cubesats' -- 10-centimetre cube technology testers built respectively by universities in Germany, Japan and Norway -- for deployment when in orbit. The main SSETI Express satellite itself will test and characterise a propulsion system, return images of the Earth and serve as a transponder for amateur radio users.
The future SSETI Express satellite Here is a drawing of the future SSETI Express satellite. (Credit: ESA) It measures only 60 by 60 by 70 centimeters and is part of the Russian mission Cosmos DMC-3. If everything goes fine, it will be launched in May 2005.
The SSETI team is already working on another satellite, the European Student Earth Orbiter (ESEO). This one will be more complex than Express, weigh 100 kilograms, and it will be launched by an Ariane 5 rocket in 2007.
Besides these two satellites, the ESA looks at the future.
Coordination between groups is carried out using a dedicated news server and weekly Internet Relay Chats (IRCs) as well as the SSETI website. Face-to-face meetings are the exception rather than the rule, with group representatives meeting every six months for a workshop at ESTEC.
Beyond Express and ESEO, SSETI has hopes of becoming a fully-fledged facilitation network for all student space activity, with members carrying out detailed feasibility studies for a European Student Moon Orbiter (ESMO) a European Student Moon Rover (ESMR) and even an orbiter for Mars.
And here is the conclusion of Philippe Willekens of the ESA Education Department.
"This unique opportunity for students is also a unique opportunity for ESA to see how the young generation is working through a wide internet-distributed system, with little resources, but great enthusiasm and energy."
Good luck to all!
Source: European Space Agency news release, October 19, 2004
Obviously.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obviously.. (Score:1)
Wood!
Right! And therefore...
A Satellite!
Burn it! Burn it!
In other news (Score:1, Redundant)
amsat (Score:5, Informative)
Re:amsat (Score:4, Interesting)
While a large fraction of the radio astronomy community are hams, very few hams actually work in radio astronomy (or for JPL's Deep Space Network). So don't go thinking you're going to hear P5A unless you always wear wind up watches because quartz ones are banned at work.
Re:amsat (Score:2)
This goes a long way towards explaining why SETI hasn't found anything besides cloves and pineapple.
Re:amsat (Score:2)
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Not that I'm doing either without a license, mind you. (I wouldn't have the time.)
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I like this... (Score:5, Insightful)
we've seen the SpaceShipOne made it, and now a 'brute force' construction of a satellite.. this only leads to the question: what's next?? LEZ DO DIS!
-A simple hydrogen-powered car model that's ready to be mass produced? (instead of stuck being a prototype)
-better next-gen ASIMOs?
-advanced propulsion technology?
-human habitat for mars?
sheez, when I thnk about how people can combine their power and time to bruteforce-building something.. almost nothing is impossible
as for me, im still working on my warp machine
Re:I like this... (Score:4, Informative)
Amateur radio operators worldwide have been doing this for 43 years!
From AMSAT:
Re:I like this... (Score:2)
You might try reading the article and noting that this bird was in fact sponsored by a bureaucratic agency and paid for with said agencies funds.
We've seen Rutan build what amounts to an extreme amusement park ride, and
Boycott Roland Piquespam (Score:5, Informative)
Attention Slashdotters: Join the fight against Roland by mirroring his content and not clicking through.
Roland "writes":
A group of 250 students from many European universities has collectively designed a satellite by using a dedicated news server and weekly chats on Internet. By using the Web, the virtual team was able to move from design to construction in less than a year. The SSETI Express [esa.int] is currently under integration in one of the technology centers of the European Space Agency (ESA) in the Netherlands. Only a few selected members of the team will attend the launch which will be part of the Russian mission Cosmos DMC-3 in May 2005. The SSETI Express will embark three mini 'cubesats' for specific experiments whilethe main satellitewill test a propulsion system and act as a transponder for amateur radio users. I sure hope that this collaborative action will be successful. Read more...
Here is what ESA says about this collective work over Internet.
What is the mission of this satellite?
Here is a drawing of the future SSETI Express satellite. (Credit: ESA) It measures only 60 by 60 by 70 centimeters and is part of the Russian mission Cosmos DMC-3. If everything goes fine, it will be launched in May 2005.The SSETI team is already working on another satellite, the European Student Earth Orbiter (ESEO). This one will be more complex than Express, weigh 100 kilograms, and it will be launched by an Ariane 5 rocket in 2007.
Besides these two satellites, the ESA looks at the future.
And here is the conclusion of Philippe Willekens of the ESA Education Department.
Good luck to all!
Source: European Space Agency news release, October 19, 2004
Re:Boycott Roland Piquespam (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Boycott Roland Piquespam (Score:1)
Oh, bloody hell! Not another Slag Rolland Festival!
Why do people get so worked up about this? Yes, we know he hopes to divert traffic to his site and yes his summaries are of dubious value compared to the genuine article. But for god's sake, how is it hurting anyone? Nobody can deny that the stories he brings to /. are consistently interesting and add to this site as well as his own. Do you feel you've wasted a slice of your precious band-width? Get over it!
Re:Boycott Roland Piquespam (Score:2)
Mirroring? You mean copying it? Imagine if everyone was so blasé about copyright - bye bye GPL for starters. Dont like his work? Dont read it, write your own instead.
My satellite (Score:2, Funny)
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Space monopolies are bad (Score:4, Interesting)
NASA has a program where high schoolers can put together an experiment to be run in the pressurized portion of the shuttle, which is great, but doesn't compare to the fact that there are now three colleges that have experience building orbital devices and an untold number of individuals who were involved in the collaboration. If the ESA keeps this up we might see several european aerospace companies form in the next decade.
Look out Lockheed.
Re:Space monopolies are bad (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, [eads.com] like [alcatel.com] there [alenia-aeronautica.it] are [intespace.fr] none [terma.com] already... [www.iabg.de]
Re:Space monopolies are bad (Score:2)
Since the "new" is implicit in "form" my point remains.
Re:Space monopolies are bad (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not knocking their efforts, and I admire the work they have done; but this team of students has only designed a small, light satellite that performs a couple of on-board experiments and relays the information back t
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You may want to take a look at Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd [sstl.co.uk] before you make that assertion. SSTL has loads of experience, a knack for keeping costs low, and a reputation for innovation. They are already trying to move out of the pure smallsat market, and are also making a push into the US market.
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The difference between this bird (SSETI) and the ones LockMart builds is roughly the same leap as between a hobbyist Z-80/S-100 kit and a Cray minframe.
History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes (Twain)
They have to start somewhere. Those little Z-80, 8008, etc hobby computers didn't look like much to the mainframe and mini people in their day, but they are the direct predecessors of the machine I'm typing this on, the machine you're reading this on, and the /. servers themselves.
Mainframes and min
Re:Space monopolies are bad (Score:2)
Having said all that, what Lockheed really needs
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Build your own (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.cubesatkit.com/ [cubesatkit.com]
SETI is for bigger geeks that me. (Score:1)
Duh (Score:1)
I for one welcome our new satellite ... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I for one welcome our new satellite ... (Score:1)
Your headgear is no match for my faraday cage annihilator. Your typing it from 127.0.0.1
US has similar program (Score:2)
The satellite story is impressive (Score:2, Interesting)
But where is the disclaimer that the notorious Roland is either under the OSTG umbrella or kicking back ad revenues under the table to
or maybe some of us are jealous our sumissions get roundfiled a lot more often than not?
I sure hope... (Score:2)
Practical Application (Score:4, Funny)
Please, more clue. (Score:4, Interesting)
Last I checked, "the web" didn't include NNTP. Surely Slashdot is above the uneducated synonymity between the internet and "the Web."
Jeremy
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Re:You're an idiot (Score:1)
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We're not above it, and don't call us Shirley.
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Ha! (Score:3, Funny)
The amazing this is... (Score:2)
Them socialists sure is lagging behind America (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course from time to time cruel reality intrudes upon that collective delusion. Like right now....
Re:Them socialists sure is lagging behind America (Score:2)
I especially dig the... (Score:1)
Interesting Story... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm particularly excited about the success of this project because it ties into a project that I've been researching for a few weeks now but thought was impossible. Basically, it's using temporary subdermal GPS technology coupled with sats to enable the easy location and rescue of those who go missing in a hot zone (with my current focus being on Iraq/Afghanistan). Until today when I read this article, I was convinced that this would never see the light of day because -- even though I understood what needed to be done and could probably assemble a good group of people to do it -- I would run into government hurdle after government hurdle and the costs would simply be too high to do it privately. After reading this story though, I realize that isn't true and am quite excited about seriously pursuing this project! Now, to recruit, research, build and deploy.
I know there are people here who poo-poo this as something "already" done by the ham folks. But I believe that there is something substantially different about this success. On one hand, I think that we're going to see a lot of positives come from this. On the other hand I think there will be some negatives as governments start to realize that they no longer hold the monopoly on "gee-whiz" technology simply because they employ top scientists. They will be forced to sit up and take notice of private projects now and that could be a double edged sword. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
designed a satellite by using a .. news server (Score:1)
Thats great but... (Score:1)
bureaucracy and collaboration (Score:1)
Ncube finally goes up (Score:2)
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Only one step (Score:2)
But, in my experience building a CubeSat, it was the time from final "design" to flight ready status that went over time and over budget on every level. If they expect to have a flight model ready in less then a year they're dreaming, even if this was at one location with the team all centered and working together that's going
ontopic: here's HOW they collaborated (Score:1)
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:Z32wRgndSjYJ: www.estec.esa.nl/outreach/sseti/Textfiles/sseti.pd f+SSETI+internet+collaboration&hl=en [216.239.41.104]
4.2 Data/Design structure
During the design and building of the spacecraft, participants of SSETI will be located all over Europe. Thisresults in a very unconventional, new communication approach, which is called distributed development.The main characteristic of this approach is that modern communication tools (Internet,
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MOD PARENT DOWN! (Score:1)