Happy 50th Cern! 120
Anonymous Coward writes "The facility that has earned three scientists Nobel prizes, provided the impetus for Berners-Lee's hypertext program (aka the WWW), oh and has also helped answer some fundamental questions regarding the universe has turned fifty today! And with the LHC in development, here's hoping for another 50!"
Finally! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Finally! (Score:1)
Out of context: (Score:2, Funny)
Happy Birthday?
Re:Out of context: (Score:3, Funny)
This is worse than the Creationists that believe the Earth is 6000 years old.
Just ridiculous.
Re:Out of context: (Score:3, Funny)
Hip, hip, hurrah! (Score:2)
Noble Nobels! (Score:1, Offtopic)
I know I know, it's alright on
happy birthday and thanks for web (Score:5, Informative)
Noble prizes (Score:1, Redundant)
And, really, which prize is more noble than the Nobel?
Re:Noble prizes (Score:2)
Hmmmm (Score:3, Funny)
Is it me, or is that like a geeky sweet nothing in the ear?
About LHC... (Score:2, Funny)
No, the only thing that we can see (a photon of certain wavelength) does not actually have mass!!! BBC got it wrong...
Paul B.
Re:About LHC... (Score:3, Insightful)
"see" is a synonym for "comprehend", therefore the quote is utterly valid.
The BBC are correct
Re:About LHC... (Score:1)
Yes it does: Coincidentally it's exactly ZERO!
(HEP notation: c=1)
(in case you had an objection that E=mc^2 which strictly speaking is not applicable to photon as the famous formula denotes the "rest" energy, and the photon is never "at rest", as you might've guessed)
Re:About LHC... (Score:1)
=> p^2 = 0 => |P| = E
(HEP notation: c=1)
Rest mass is zero, so magnitude(squared) of momentum is zero? Dunce.
m=0 => E^2 = p^2 + m^2 = p^2
=> |p| = E (within a factor c, anyway)
Re:About LHC... (Score:3, Interesting)
(I did make it small p unlike capital P later on, didn't I?)
Ever heard about Lorentz vectors? (E, px, py, pz) with "funny" (1, -1, -1, -1) metric (flat space diagonal) meaning when you multiply them, or square in our case, it expands to E^2 - px^2 - py^2 - pz^2. The magnitude of four-vector is called "interval". Four-momenta of real massive particles have interval > 0 ("time-like"), photons have inteval=0 ("light-like"), events in time-space that cannot possibly be cause-ef
Re:About LHC... (Score:1)
Ooops! Sorry. Writing math in ascii can be confusing (for me
Re:About LHC... (Score:1)
cf=0
where: care + factor = zero.
*ducks*
If John Titor is real.... (Score:2)
If this occurs, and the US has continued down the path it's on now, you can pretty safely say that John Titor was indeed a real time traveller, and that the US is headed for nuclear destruction around 2015.
If those two major events don't occur, then Titor could reasonably be surmised to be a fake.
Anyway, keep your mind open and read some more:
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
Can't see photons... (Score:2)
You cannot actually 'see' photons as photons do not interact with themselves to first order and thus would be useless as a means of detecting the presence of other photons.
Re:Can't see photons... (Score:2)
If we are going to do some serious nit-picking, think: you see the light (E/M waves/photons), you hear the sound (sound waves).
And, by the way, one can "see" individual photons, in a room dark enough, of course.
Paul B.
I bow to you (Score:5, Funny)
Im non-Anon!
CERN birthday gifts should be money (Score:5, Informative)
Re:CERN birthday gifts should be money (Score:5, Funny)
Yep (Score:2, Funny)
Cost of running Cern? (Score:5, Interesting)
/mod me off topic if you want
Re:Cost of running Cern? (Score:2, Funny)
knowlege is priceless.
Re:Cost of running Cern? (Score:5, Funny)
knowlege is priceless.
Dictionary is $2.50
Knowledge is cheap (Score:2)
You could probably get extensive knowledge of nuclear weapon technology from an out-of-work Russian scientist for the price of a few bottles of Vodka. The only trick there is to get it out of him before he is either bought out by Iran (for six cases of Vodka and a trip to a sunny country) or he expires of liver cirrhosis.
Re:Cost of running Cern? (Score:2)
For example, the United States does not maintain it's position without extensive networks of specialization and "knowledge workers".
Re:Cost of running Cern? (Score:1)
Redundant also.
Re:Cost of running Cern? (Score:2)
And CERN is in its turn a fraction of these budgets. Of course, it's larger than my personnal budget, but at the scale of countries budgets, it's a small fraction.
The day the humans will stop to be interested by the surrounding world they will commit a collective suicide. Ima
Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:1)
With the LHC in development, it could be all over within another 50 years. (Over in the sense that all that's left are questions like 'What is energy?')
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:2, Interesting)
the more we learn about nature, the more opportunities for speculation open up. I may be wrong on that but it certainly seems that particle physics didn't really make any progress since quantum theory was accepted in
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:4, Insightful)
No, the more we learn about nature, the closer we come to the truth, which may or may not be open ended. Asserting that it will never be over assumes more knowledge than any of us have.
I may be wrong on that but it certainly seems that particle physics didn't really make any progress since quantum theory was accepted in
Given that in this day and age that popular media still represent the electrons in an atom following exact orbits in the fashion of newtonian mechanics is a pretty good indication that very little of modern physics has made it 'into the wild'.
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:1)
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:1)
I happen to have a quite clear view of the practical value of QED, but just cannot remember anybody who would feel completely satisfied with this theoretical contraption. Sure it does work all right on a limited number of exactly solvable cases (something like 4 or 5?), sure it enables us to make several precise predictions (mostly just properties of electron), but what else is it good for? You sound like a person perfectly content with perturbations and summation of divergenet series, not to say anythin
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:2, Insightful)
Just like the future of physics since 1894 lay in the seventh decimal place.
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:1)
Yes, but I did say it all COULD be over in 50 years. I'm not going to make a solid assertion that we're nearing the end, like Maxwell did. However, I don't believe it would be a shock if we had a theory of everything within that time frame. Certainly if the LHC confirms the existence of the Higgs boson(s), and finds evidence of supersymmetry within th
Re:Another 50 years of HEP... (Score:1)
It's not "Cern" (Score:4, Informative)
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:5, Insightful)
TBL invented both HTML and HTTP, in addition to the modern URL syntax, not to mention to the phrase "World Wide Web." Actually, what part of the WWW did he not invent?
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:4, Insightful)
Hypertext documents have come to encompass a broad range of Internet activities which TBL did not have much to do with. The WWW by no means dominates the Internet, but it's an effective mass-communication glue. It doesn't seem much of a stretch to call it the face of the Internet (for most people at least).
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:2, Funny)
It is "Cern", actually (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It is "Cern", actually (Score:2)
Re:It is "Cern", actually (Score:2)
Re:It is "Cern", actually (Score:1)
CERN = Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire.
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:2)
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:5, Informative)
The official name is, in French Organisation Européenne de Recherche Nucléaire (which would be OERN), and in English European Organization for Nuclear Research (which would be EONR). The name CERN simply stuck because it sounds nice and people are used to it, perhaps also because of the German word Kern that means nucleus. In the Geneva area many people believe that CERN stands for Centre de Recherche Nucléaire Européen (I learnt that at school), although this was never true.
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:2)
CERN is a perfectly valid acronym since 1954, when the steering committee decided to keep this handy acronym to designate the research center.
Re:It's not "Cern" (Score:1)
Acronym n : a word formed from the initial letters of a multi-word name
Actually acronym CERN shouldnt be read... (Score:1)
No one should try to read the acronym.
Indeed. Any name including the word "nuclear" in it, will systematically scare off the mass audience. "Nuclear" is too much linked to Chernobyl, nuclear power plant, nuclear bomb. A detail you think? Not at all, see CERN home page [www.cern.ch]... And the result is "The world's largest particle physics laboratory". See the CERN in seven questions. Emphasis is put on "particle physic" not on "nuclear"
Research performed at CERN is so abstract that no common mortal can imagine what
LHC (Score:5, Informative)
http://lhc-new-homepage.web.cern.ch/lhc-new-homep
Re:LHC (Score:2)
How old is it? (Score:4, Funny)
If I wasn't making this comment, I'd mod down that moron ASAP...
Come to think of it, this is the least useful post I've ever made on Slashdot. Should I be proud of that?
Re:How old is it? (Score:2)
Yes (Ha, beat you).
On CERN's special day... (Score:1)
Is it really that hard to spell Nobel? (Score:1, Informative)
comma (Score:1)
Too bad it didn't answer samzenpus's regarding the comma.
Yay (Score:3, Interesting)
Now if you'll indulge me in a gratuitous attempt at being insightful, I was recently contemplating that in the long run, mastering electromagnetic waves might have been the most disasterous technological breakthrough in history. Of course, we'll never know for sure until at least a few decades or centuries, but the significance of the telephone and semiconductor cannot be underestimated. How can we be so sure that they are Good Things?
There's that quote about our technology surpassing our humanity, blah blah, and everyone always talks about cloning or flying cars or laser guns that kill without a bang (karma whore opportunity to link to the short story here). Rarely do people think about the present in that context and almost never to history. I think there is a good argument that the telephone was perhaps the first moment in history where technology played an active role in replacing a person's community. I could be full of crap (likely) but maybe THAT was the moment when our technology surpassed our humanity.
Nothing else made it possible to import someone else's community into our own. It wasn't a night and day shift from postal service to IRC addicts and kids in rural states expressing violent rage somehow related to pop culture (and I'm trolling here about violence on TV creates violence in Colorado - bear with me). The miracle of communcations at the speed of electromagnetism made it possible to inject someone else's society, customs, culture, values, ethics, and attitude into our own, no matter how poorly those things fit.
Before this stuff, if you wanted to disconnect yourself from your neighbors and your community, you were a freaking recluse - the town outcast, the weirdo who never left his house, the werewolf (karma whore opportunity to link to the hypothesis that werewolf stories grew out of society's earliest serial rapists/murderers), the drunkard, et cetera. Now you're just a normal guy/gal whose "community" consists of Jon Stewart (I'm guilty of that), CNN, Fox News if you must, Martha Stewart, Hollywood, The Sopranos, and so on. I grew up in a small town in the midwest but now I live in suburban D.C. and don't know the name of a single person in my apartment building.
Are we so sure that the future is where our technology surpasses our humanity? Are we so sure that the "technological revolution" is such a GOOD thing? I'm not even whining about violence on TV or in the movies - I'm whining about the fact that all these great inventions make it SO EASY for me to replace the life that surrounds me with a life that's imported from 3,000 miles away.
And this isn't some holier-than-thou rant, either. I'm just as guilty of living in the midst of all of this as anyone. I'm not suggesting some plan of action, either. I just wonder if, in The Big Book of Human History, there will be a chapter called, "Instantaneous Global Communication and the Five Hundred Years of Crap that Followed".
Re:Yay (Score:1)
Humanity, for all of it's strengths, is definitely something that should be improved upon, whether by technology or elsewise.
Re:Yay (Score:2)
Sure - but that's not my point.
Humanity, for all of it's strengths, is definitely something that should be improved upon, whether by technology or elsewise.
But isn't that the question? Pasteurization - definitely good. Polio vaccination - definitely good. Separation of church and state - hell that's another debate but I think it's good.
The internet (the REAL internet - the porn, viruses, scams, spams, 1337 5p3@k, g
Value Judgements (Score:1)
I wouldn't necsessarily say that vaccinations are *definitely* a good thing (medicine -> less death -> overpopulation). Whether or not something is good depends on your own values. What is the good end we should be heading towards? Would the world be better if we had 6 billion people of varying degrees of happiness,
Re:Yay (Score:1)
Ted Kaczynski out of jail? (Score:2, Flamebait)
Al Gore created the Internet, dammit! (Score:3, Funny)
No, it was Al Gore who "took the initiative in creating the Internet."
PS - you can't say that's been debunked - that's an exact quote [google.com]
Web ?= positive invention (Score:5, Funny)
I was rather taken aback when a few weeks ago, this response got me an earful of "The WEB!?? You guys are responsible for that PORN-FILLED WASTELAND!???"
I guess I'll stick to saying, "I work in a lab."
Re:Web ?= positive invention (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, I disagree. Explaining it in two sentences is next to impossible, but if somebody is willing to listen for ten minutes, I find it relatively easy.
I also try to be honest, i.e. I avoid the usual "CP violation is studied to understand the excess of matter over antimatter in the universe" crap.
Re:Web ?= positive invention (Score:1)
Happy Birthday CERN (Score:5, Informative)
It was a sunday when I went, and not that crowded, and my friend took me through a short tour of the place. They have an educational area set up with a museum, and science exhibits for children, which was very cool. All sorts of modern artifacts from nuclear experiments are lying around courtyards. He showed me the server room, where (i think, my friend wasn't sure either) they had some of the first web servers, and where they are now doing the grid computing stuff.
Another cool bit of CERN, especially for physics geeks, is all the streets are named after famous nuclear scientists. I passed by ones named for Einstein, Rutherford, and others. We didn't get to Feynman that day.
Oh, and the food in the lunch room is not half-bad and cheap for Switzerland.
CERN was a nice place to spend an afternoon, and I wish them another 50 great years.
Restaurant #1 (Score:2, Funny)
Yes, maybe, but they have a very limited repertoir... (And I suppose you didn't go to Restaurant #3, at the Prevessin site, that's French cuisine at its worst...)
(Reminds me of the heydays of the mad cow disease, when restaurant #1 put up signs assuring that all meat served was Swiss. Problem was only that Switzerland was #2 in number of mad cow disease cases. So now you know how the Mad Scientist enters the picture. And if you
sheep (Score:1)
Are you sure about this? I'm actually kind of curious, because CERN is not exactly the kind of place you'd expect to see a bunch of sheep grazing. The story I've heard (quite possibly an urban legend of sorts) is that back in the day, some king decided that a certain family would have permanent grazing rights to the land that CERN would eventually be built on, and when CERN was built, the organization had to respect tho
Re:sheep (Score:2, Funny)
Re:sheep (Score:2)
After some cursory googling, I was unable to find any webpage that substantiates this story, but it does seem that the sheep are privately owned. (This webpage briefly mentions the "privately owned sheep" at CERN.) If you (or anybody else) can point me to an authoritative explaination of the sheep, I'd appreciate it... :)
I was always told the sheep are natural lawn mowers. Think about it: they move around to different places on the lab site eating the grass to a certain level.
Re:sheep (Score:1)
I've heard this theory too (I think it comes from a Wired article [wired.com]), but it doesn't really make economic sense - you'd need buildings to house the sheep, food for them to eat over winter, somebody to take care of them, etc. And besides, CERN has real (i.e. mechanical) lawnmowers too. Moreover, there are certain areas, like the hill in front of Restaurant 2, which appear to be reserved for sheep-grazing because they are fenced off and the mechanical l
Re:sheep (Score:2)
Considering that it is built at (under) two of the world's oldest constitutional republics, I would be very surprised if a king had anything to do with the land around CERN.
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:1)
The globe was actuall
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:1)
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:1)
and the celebration yesterday was really bad
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:2)
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:2)
Beer at breakfast?
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:1)
I'd vote for "better beer" (though there is the bottled Czech stuff :-).
Actually you used to be able to get beer at breakfast (or any other time), which could be handy if you were doing night shifts at one of the experiments. One way in which things have gone backwards (though still way better than SLAC in that respect!).
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:2)
now, on to the scandinavian summer students, about which the international news coverage seems to have missed out on the delights of...
Re:Happy Birthday CERN (Score:1)
You can help: LHC@Home (Score:5, Informative)
From the LHC@Home FAQ:
"1.2 What does LHC@home do?
LHC@home helps the construction of LHC. It simulates how the particles travel trough the 27 km long tunnel. With the help of the calculated information, the magnets that control the beam can be calibrated with greater precision."
Uncle CERN wants YOU! (Score:3, Informative)
Pictures from the celebration (Score:1)
CERN mentioned in a song? (Score:1, Interesting)
For some reason I think there was, but I can't remember anything else.
Amazing (Score:1)
50 Cent is Happy? (Score:2)
most famous for... (Score:1)
50 years and still no micro singularities!! (Score:1)
-M@
Above continued (Score:2)
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Looks fine to me.
Re:God bless them (Score:2, Informative)
But whatever the case, the LHC will allow us to study some aspect of the electroweak symmetry breaking mechanism (normally ascribed to the Higgs). If there is a Higgs boson, then either it must be lighter than about 800 GeV (well within the range the LHC is designed to study) or else there must be other new physics at around this energy. Otherwise, calculations for e.g. the scattering of W and Z bosons become nonsen