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Examining New York's Bioresearch Laboratory 437

Evangelion quotes from a NY Press story about Plum Island: "'Located just two miles off the tip of Long Island and six miles from the Connecticut coastline, Plum Island is home to a Bio-Safety Level 4 (BSL-4) research facility... During the fifth month of [an Engineer's] strike, a three-hour power outage renewed public interest in the island... Without power, the air filtration systems are inoperable. Without power, decontamination procedures break down. Without power, the seals in the pressurized airlock doors start to deflate. According to one report, workers were desperately sealing the doors with duct tape...'"
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Examining New York's Bioresearch Laboratory

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  • BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:43AM (#8598968) Homepage Journal
    Ahhhh, long walk on the beach of Plum Island watching the birds. (all kidding aside, seriously, it is good bird watching there). But, it should be noted that Plum Island is only one of several BSL-4 labs around the country that are publicly acknowledged. Others are located at UC Davis (proposed back in 2000 at least), UTMB in Galviston Texas, One propsed for Boston University, there are two just outside Washington D.C., there is one in Atlanta at the CDC and one in San Antonio. I believe we also have a BSL-4 lab out at dugway proving grounds in Utah as well.

    So, one should know that these facilities are the absolute best place to do research with the kinds of pathogens and chemicals and folks should not be scared at the mere presence of these facilities because of the work they do to help understand disease and potentially, biological weapons that may be used against us. However, we should know about their presence, and we should have contingency plans in place for the surrounding population (aside from "sanitation") should we have problems at these facilities.

    • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Informative)

      by DjMd ( 541962 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:03AM (#8599225) Journal
      You forgot Fort Detrick [army.mil] Right between Washington D.C. and Baltimore.
      USAMRIID has over 10,000 square feet of Biosafety Level 4 (BL4) and 50,000 square feet of Biosafety Level 3 (BL3)....
    • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Informative)

      by aschneid ( 145265 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:16AM (#8599374)
      The proposal for the one at UC Davis was dropped due to public opinion. Although the federal government is still looking at building a new one. There were several proposed sites, and that list was narrowed down and UC Davis dropped from that list.

      Part of the site determination that the government is doing for this new one is the surrounding area public opinion of the lab. UC Davis and the surrounding Sacramento and bay area had a very negative reaction to a BSL-4 lab being created. Therefore the government determined that it would not be a good idea to build it here.
      • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:4, Informative)

        by hardaker ( 32597 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @01:34PM (#8601251) Homepage
        [I'm in Davis]

        Well, the campus is still trying to put one in and get a future site here. The public is a bit upset that they're still at it (and the campus is refusing to talk to the public self-appointed liason people). The uproar here after the last proposal round was rather strong. The campus can't convience the public that there is no reason for concern, as much as they try.

        Ah, Davis politics. It's a fun place to live.

        • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward
          When this was going through the process, before it ended up going to Texas, one of the disgruntled workers at CNPRC (the primate lab) brought a gun to work. UC Davis swept that under the table.

          And they went about 2 weeks before the lost monkey made the news. I suppose they're trying to keep up the fine UC system that keeps Los Alamos in such great tradition: missing computers containing sensitive information, misused funds and lax controls.
    • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:21AM (#8599418)
      My father is managing the construction of a new BSL-4 lab in Iowa. The test procedure involves compressing the room to some ridiculous pressure and then making sure it holds it for 48 hours or so. That means every outlet, every electrical conduit, every pipe, etc. must be epoxy sealed. Apparently the CDC had a BSL-4 building that never passed the pressure tests. So all that money later and it just sits empty.
    • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Interesting)

      by demachina ( 71715 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:32AM (#8599554)
      There are probably a wonderful thing when they are used to prevent epidemics and to develop countermeasures for biological attacks. Unfortunately there is always the chance that they are dual use, especially at places like Ft. Dietrick. If they are also being used to reengineer microorganisms to be more effective weapons then they aren't quite as noble as you paint them. The U.S. would like you to believe they stopped developement of bioweapons in 1969 but you would have to be an optimist to believe that is really the case since the U.S. consistently opposes any international effort to verify bioweapons labs are not being used for new weapons research.

      Probably the most disturbing indictment of these facilities is that the Anthrax used in the attacks in the U.S. that followed 9/11 were traced back to the Ames strain of Anthrax which is American in origin and is used extensively at
      USAMRID, Dugway, and Batelle among others. A full list is here:

      http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

      The Anthrax attacks which have largely faded in to obscurity, unsolved, should be a source of deep concern to American's and the world. They might have been perpetrated by a roque wacko that had access to Anthrax in one of these facilities. Its pretty unlikely they were perpetrated by an Arab terrorist. They could have just as easily been a covert operation perpetrated by a misguided government agency designed to stoke fear of WMD's in the U.S. Coincidentally the Bush administration, right after this used the threat of WMD's as the rationale to attack Iraq though no significant WMD programs have been found there. They will, no doubt, continue to use WMD's as a rationale for preemptive warfare assuming they can get away with it after the bold faced lie the war in Iraq has proven to be.

      WMD's are the perfect rationale for preemptive warfare. You can accuse any country of developing them and its impossible for the target country to prove they don't. Every nation in the world has dual use industrial equipment that can be redirected to chemical and biological weapons production and the Bush administration cynically uses this fact to suggest a target country is a danger because they have tanks thats could be used to ferment biological weapons, for example.

      As much as the U.S. likes to get on the high horse about WMD's its still a fact that the U.S. has more of them than anyone and has used them in the past to kill large numbers of innocent civilians by nuking two cities in Japan full of civilians in particular.
      • Re:BSL-4 labs (Score:5, Interesting)

        by canajin56 ( 660655 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @01:26PM (#8601153)

        Yes, and they are almost certain that this Anthrax came from Ft. Detrick, since that exact strain was used there, and some was missing. Additionally, one Lt. Col. Philip Zack was spotted by security cameras entering the facility after hours, and after he had been FIRED one year earlier for racially-motivated harassment against an Egyptian researched named Dr. Assaad. One day before the Anthrax attacks, the FBI was sent an anonymous letter warning that Dr. Assaad was a nutcase, and planning some sort of biological attack on the USA. They investigated him, but determined it was an attempt to frame him. But they NEVER investigated WHO was trying to frame him. Odds are it was the same person who initiated the attacks. (How else would he know?)

        So what we have is somebody who was FIRED over his hatred of an Arab, who was spotted illegally entering a secure facility shortly before the Anthrax used in the attacks WENT MISSING, and they received a letter implicating this same Arab immediatly before the attacks began. Additionally, the letters sent with the anthrax were written so as to frame Arabs. However, forensic analysis revealed that the person who penned them writes in English, and was faking an Arabic "accent" on the penmanship (Or whatever it is called when your penmanship is affected by the script you first learned to write in) Also, the letters told the people to take antibiotics. Why would terrorists trying to kill somebody do all they can to help save them? A real terrorist wouldn't say it was Anthrax at all, let alone recommend a treatment. Some have said "Well penacillin wouldn't help, you need Cipero!" That is completely untrue. The people who make Cipero would like you to believe it is the only antibiotic that works, but it is not. There are many antibiotics that are effective. Penicillin is, and is FAR cheaper.

  • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:44AM (#8598974)
    I packed up the car, scored some weed, picked up my girlfriend and headed to the Jersey Shore, just to be on the safe side. Coincidence and stupidity will kill you just as dead as conspiracy and evil genius, if the wind is right, so we holed up in a motel in Ocean City and followed the story from there.

    While I don't doubt for a second the "strangeness" of the entire operations there and the chance that there might be "leaks" coming from the island, how in the hell are OTHER people (I don't mind it so much) going to lend any credibility to a writer that says something as unnecessary as "I scored some weed" in what could have been a serious article?
    • by ajlitt ( 19055 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:05AM (#8599253)
      Here's one [slashdot.org]
    • by Durindana ( 442090 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @12:51PM (#8600636)

      Credibility aside, the writer's trying hard to emulate Hunter Thompson throughout this piece, and this part in particular is a direct allusion.

      Fans of Thompson, the 'gonzo journalist' known for participating as heavily as possible in the stories he covered for various newspapers, magazines, and most recently Rolling Stone, will recognize the Jersey Shore as a place Thompson knew and loathed from a stint at a shitty newspaper there, soon after he left the Air Force in Florida and before he lit out for New York. I believe Thompson's story of how he fled town after taking out a local man's daughter and destroying the man's car is in his first volume of memoirs, The Proud Highway.

      Phrases like "holed up," overuse of the word "evil," malaprop similes ("fire in a cardboard factory") and consistent reflections of the writer's own opinions and impressions - how much do you see "I" in "serious articles"? many journalists call it "going first-person," and it's virtually never done - are all Thompson touches. As are gratuitous drug references. I'm tickled by the Thompson channeling, actually, because emulating other writers' style is something Thompson himself was notorious for doing early in his career.

      I personally don't think the writer's predilection to score weed has much relevance to his credibility, any more than a mainstream reporter's alcoholism might (working reporters know what I'm talking about). This writing style and drug references are meant to appeal to a particular, fringe, audience, that's all, a kind of ingratiation and location with his audience's values, whatever you think of them.
  • by ePhil_One ( 634771 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:44AM (#8598978) Journal
    Is there no end to its miracle powers?
    • Give me a 200 million dollar research budget and I'd be happy to tape up as many vials full of germs as you want.
      • Newton, Galileo, Kepler, Dirac, Faraday, Planck, Kelvin, Maxwell and Einstein believed in God. So do I.

        Interesting actually. Einstein didn't. A common misconception amongst many religious groups in some desperate hope to hang onto some credibility in this age of reason and common sense, is that Einstein was religious, and believed in god.

        While a Jew by descent, he had no religious beliefs of his own - in fact when this nonsense was brought to his attention he was indignant at the suggestion:

        "It was, of
    • Everyone knows Duct Tape is the Force in handy little rolls - it has a Light side, it has a Dark side and it hold the universe together.
      Jos
    • You have no idea [taunton.com]. ;-)
  • Scary.. (Score:5, Informative)

    by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:44AM (#8598982) Homepage Journal

    We don't have level 4 labs where I work (levels 1-3 only), but we have emergency backup power that kicks in in under 10 seconds. Why on earth would this place not have that?
    • Re:Scary.. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Servo ( 9177 ) <dstringf@Nospam.tutanota.com> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:49AM (#8599035) Journal
      that was my first thought too. Either this is fabricated, or someone is a complete idiot in managing/building the facility.
    • because the funds for it were spent on a new gym and landscaping.
      seriously.
      It's documented in the book "Lab 257"
    • Re:Scary.. (Score:5, Informative)

      by phurley ( 65499 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:55AM (#8599109) Homepage
      According to the article :grin: they had three; however they failed due to either:

      1. Poor maintance by "scab" workers
      2. Sabotage by striking maintance works.

      (not good either way), but it does answer your question.
      • Re:Scary.. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by glenrm ( 640773 )
        Should you be able to strike if you work at such a facility?
        • Re:Scary.. (Score:3, Insightful)

          Collective bargaining, currently being one of the few bargaining tools useful in a wide range of environments, needs to be available.

          It's like outlawing the ability of government workers to strike. If you do, they're now working on their employer's terms. And their employer may not have their best interest at heart. Or even balanced interests.

          I'd love to see an effective alternative, though. In my negligible experience, unions tend to get greedy. I understand a school's staff not wanting to take half
        • Re:Scary.. (Score:3, Interesting)

          by afidel ( 530433 )
          NO.
          Presidential order has stopped many classes of federal workers from striking and private individuals can be forced to cease striking under the Taft-Hartley Act which Bush used to reopen west coast ports. If he can force dock workers whos actions only result in economic impact back to work then surely he has the authority to force safety critical workers as well. Of course it would never be done because that would draw way too much attention to the fact that there is a bioweapons and severly contagious di
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

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    • Re:Scary.. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Fnkmaster ( 89084 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:00AM (#8599179)
      A more useful question is why on earth is striking allowed at this kind of facility? I mean, I appreciate the right to collective bargaining and unionization, but that right has certain bounds in facilities of national security importance like this.


      I think the public's right to safety from level 4 biohazard's trumps the right of facilities engineers at this place to strike, any day. Whoever let such a situation occur in the first place should be held personally responsible for any injuries or deaths caused by inadequate, incompetent maintenance at this place.

    • >we have emergency backup power that kicks in in under 10 seconds. Why on earth would this place not have that?

      The article saith, " I found the failure of all three of the island's backup generators particularly provocative". In other words, they did have emergency backup power but somehow bungled keeping it operational.
  • by rafael_es_son ( 669255 ) <rafael@human-ass ... ENnfo minus poet> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:44AM (#8598983) Homepage

    Well, looks like Dr. Lecter won't get his vacation RSN.

    • CLARICE
      Best of all, though - one week a year you'd get to leave the hospital and go here.
      (points to a map)
      Plum Island. Every afternoon of that week you can walk on the beach or swim in the ocean for up to one hour. Under SWAT team surveillance, of course...

      DR. LECHTER
      "Plum Island Animal Disease Research Center." Sounds charming.

      CLARICE
      That's just part of the island. It has a very nice beach. Terns nest there.

    • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @01:18PM (#8601049)
      > Well, looks like Dr. Lecter won't get his vacation RSN.

      It puts the fucking Ebola in the pressure-contained work area!

  • phhhewwww (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DR SoB ( 749180 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:46AM (#8598999) Journal
    At first I was scared, but a little calculation shows me I'm at least 500 miles away here in Toronto, pheew. This stuff is completely insane, why do we need 802412904158132951249812 weapons that are all capable of destroying life on earth, I mean, isn't 1 enough???
    • We don't even have one. The very best we can do is kill a whole lot of people and put a big dent in civilization. But we can't even come close to killing all of humanity, much less all life.
    • Re:phhhewwww (Score:3, Insightful)

      by JonTurner ( 178845 )
      Because there are other people in the world who possess these weapons (or seek them desperately), and they have the intention to use them against people, either in their home countries (see: Northern Kurds in Iraq) or in Western countries (e.g. US/Canada/Britian/France/etc.) Labs such as the one at Plum Island investigate the effects of disease-causing agents and bioweapons in the hopes that remedies/cures/vaccines/treatments might be discovered.

      *That's* why weapons like this are needed. Because others hav
    • Re:phhhewwww (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Zathrus ( 232140 )
      a little calculation shows me I'm at least 500 miles away here in Toronto

      Well, since you want to play the tinfoil hat game -- you're dead.

      For a bioweapon to be truely effective it has to have a reasonable infection and transmission period -- followed by rapid death. If the transmission period is too short then it won't spread because carriers will die before they can infect others. (Which is why a lot of really nasty viruses, like Ebola, are rare and have small kill clusters). If a military grade bioweap
  • Not so bad? (Score:2, Informative)

    I don't work in a BSL4 lab (just measley BSL2), but I thought the dangers were pretty minimal. Everything should be done in airflow controlled cabinets that is THEN in a flow controlled room, while workers wear pressurized suits. If the power were to go off, why don't they just pack everything up in a box and toss it in the freezer? It should stay frozen for quite some time with the insulation.

    Just sayin...

    • Re:Not so bad? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TGK ( 262438 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:58AM (#8599156) Homepage Journal
      Because of the infection rates on some of those bugs. BSL4 is terrifying stuff, it's like working with plutonium that can breed.

      If I remember correctly, to be a BSL4 pathogen a bug must have a high lethality in humans, unresponsive to treatment and vaccine, and a high infection rate.

      Aids, for example, is BSL3 (or is it 2?). Now, HIV if frightening stuff, and while treatment has come a long way recently, its still the stuff of nightmares.

      BSL4 is the stuff of the kind of nightmares you get after watching a Hannibal Lecter marathon while dropping acid.

      Personaly I'd be much happier of BSL4 labs had some sort of fail safe, such that if all proverbial hell broke loose the doors would just shut and seal, and if everyone inside died horribly, well... so be it.

      • AIDS is a BL2. It SHOULD be a BL 3 (no cure, but can be treated). However, for logistical reasons it is a BL2. Otherwise (if it was BL3, then blood drives would have to be done in a BL3 facility, all research on donated blook would have to be done in a BL3 facility, ect. At least until you checked to see if it contained HIV.

        At least that is what i was told when i worked with human blood. It is balisically a logistic thing, owing to the fact that AIDS is fairly prevelent.
      • Re:Not so bad? (Score:4, Informative)

        by rbrinkman ( 681472 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @12:29PM (#8600327)
        you forgot the bit about that Biosafety level 4 pathogens may be transmitted by the *cough* aerosol *cough* route. Within work areas of the facility, all activities are confined to Class III biological safety cabinets, or Class II biological safety cabinets used with one-piece positive pressure personnel suits ventilated by a life support system. The Biosafety Level 4 laboratory has special engineering and design features to prevent microorganisms from being disseminated into the environment. (Except power outages followed by sabotage of the generator apparently). Remember these are the nice things like Viral Hemorragic Fevers (the Ebolas of the world http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispage s/vhf.htm) BSL1 - Biosafety Level 1; Organisms not known to cause disease in health adult humans. However, these agents may be opportunistic and cause disease in the young, aged, immunodeficient or immunosuppressed individuals. BSL2 - Biosafety Level 2; Laboratory transmission occurs by self-inoculation or exposure via mucous membranes. Human blood, body fluids and cell lines are designated as Biosafety Level 2, unless they are known to contain a higher level pathogen. BSL2 organisms may cause diseases that may be lethal over time such as HIV. However, the BMBL lists BL2 organisms as being of moderate risk to personnel and the environment. BSL3 - Biosafety Level 3 have the potential for respiratory transmission (inhalation of aerosols). BSL3 organisms may cause serious and potentially lethal infection. BSL4 - Biosafety Level 4 is assigned to work involving dangerous or exotic agents which pose a high individual risk of life-threatening disease, which may be transmitted via the aerosol route, and for which there is no available vaccine or therapy More info at http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/biosfty/bmbl4/bmbl4s3.ht m
    • Re:Not so bad? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Fnkmaster ( 89084 )
      Yeah, just pack it up and throw it in the freezer (which has no power either).... uhh... that really sounds like a massively inadequate response to me for a facility with the kinds of devastating failure modes possible for such a place. I mean, air pressure differentials, freezers, all that crap depends on being on multiple semi-separated power grids and having serious backup power systems in place capable of supplying at least 5-6 days worth of emergency power if not more without any human intervention.
  • by bfg9000 ( 726447 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:49AM (#8599039) Homepage Journal
    Plum Island is home to a Bio-Safety Level 4 (BSL-4) research facility... a three-hour power outage... the air filtration systems are inoperable.. decontamination procedures break down... the seals in the pressurized airlock doors start to deflate... workers were desperately sealing the doors with duct tape...

    Plum Island, Raccoon City [sonypictures.com]... either way, I'm duct taping my windows and kneeling under my desk as per the Umbrella Group's safety instructions.
    • Canopy are working for the protection of humanity through their efforts with SCO to ensure IP property rights, whether they be for Operating Systems or for the T-Virus. How dangerous a world would this be if open-source virus creation was freely allowed? Virus creation must be restricted to responsible, for-profit organizations that will use and allocate these resources in a consitent manner.

      Oh, and even one scratch from the zombies and you'll become one too, so watch out.

  • Backup Power (Score:3, Insightful)

    by turgid ( 580780 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:50AM (#8599047) Journal
    So where are the emergency batteries and diesel generators? How can you get away with that in this day and age?
    • Re:Backup Power (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ajlitt ( 19055 )
      RTFA. The workers that managed critical systems like... oh... THE GENERATORS went on strike and were replaced by unskilled and untrained dimwits.
    • So why can't people read the article? How can you get away with that in this day and age?

      --
      Evan

      • So why can't people read the article? How can you get away with that in this day and age?
        You're new around here? (not, judging from your ID#)

        Or it could be a new stupidity virus that escaped from that lab...

      • This is slashdot. No one RsTFA. I just needed a bit more karma.
  • Sounds like the opening diaster of a video game. I saw the movie Resident Evil this weekend for the first time, and this sounds so familiar.
  • We host some servers. If they do not have power, the customers goes apeshit (and I blame the guy that doesn't speak english). That's it. No one has died (yet). Still, we have two seperate diesel power generators in underground concrete shelters. Why is it that a small hosting company has more power supply redundancy than a level 4 biological lab?
    • You don't, the lab has three backup generators, which were not running for unexplained reasons.
      • by Dun Malg ( 230075 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:20AM (#8599416) Homepage
        You don't, the lab has three backup generators, which were not running for unexplained reasons.

        Only slightly unexplained, I'd say. Maintenance engineers go on strike and suddenly all three generators don't work? The striking engineers blame it on "bad maintenance" by scab workers, but it's quite difficult to accidentally disable a generator, much less three of them. They don't really require any maintenance, other than checking fuel levels and starting them up once a month. Anything beyond that is handled by contracted outside maintenance companies that specialize in generators and backup power systems. I smell sabotage by a filthy union bastard.

  • Resident Evil : New York City. The new reality based TV show from Fox will follow 12 mutants around as they infect our nation with a virus that was created to destroy only Al Quada operatives. Unfortunately, a beta version of the drug got released, and we got a hit series. Who will be transformed first? Will it be the janitor or perhaps the comic relief ex rapper who always gets killed. Tune in and watch.
  • by burgburgburg ( 574866 ) <splisken06NO@SPAMemail.com> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:57AM (#8599138)
    It's not like it was a Level 5 research facility which would be one worse than a Level 4 research facil ...what do you mean the numbering stops at 4? There is no such thing as a Level 5 research facility? Oh, that's different. In that case, I think we should panic right about now.
  • The Cobra Event (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DR SoB ( 749180 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:57AM (#8599140) Journal
    I recently read a book named "The Cobra Event" by Richard Preston. It was one of the best book's I've ever read, it was about germ warfare, and most of it was based around real technology (such as Viral Glass). I won't say anymore, so I don't ruin the book, but I strongly recommend it.

    No this is not off-topic. The last few chapters of the book, all take place on Plum Island, and they talk in detail about the facilities on this island. Great reading, and it made it better after I read this article.

    Amazon link:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034540997 3/ qid=1079625306/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-0266613-02360 18

    • That is a great book. Richard Preston also wrote "Demon in the Freezer". Robin Cook also writes some good books.
  • Duct tape (Score:2, Funny)

    by stateofmind ( 756903 )
    According to one report, workers were desperately sealing the doors with duct tape...

    I'm looking through the The Jumbo Duct Tape Book [tinyurl.com] on Amazon right now, and don't see any section on using duct tape to seal off biohazard doors... maybe they are saving that for the second edition. Duct Tape: 101 Nuclear and Biochemical Warfare Uses!

    Josh
  • by terraformer ( 617565 ) <tpb@pervici.com> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @10:59AM (#8599172) Journal
    ...for years. My parents still live on Long Island and I take the Orient point ferry (docks 100 yards from the Long Island depo servicing Plum Island) and for years there has been one union or another on strike there. You see them every time you take the ferry. The scary thing is that plum island used to be isolated but there are more and more people moving to the North Fork and that ferry is seeing a huge amount of growth these days with the casinos opening up in CT. Any mishap could be disastrous and be totally uncontainable due to the sheer numbers of people every which way on the ferry services through that area. Also, the ferry comes within a half mile of the island on a regular basis. I would imagine that is enough to put the passengers at risk and if any leak is not found immediately then when the passengers dock at CT or Orient they could be off and running infecting everyone else before it can be stopped.
    • by Chordonblue ( 585047 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:42AM (#8599707) Journal
      Remember PATCO? No? Well, not too many people do. They were the striking air traffic controller guys back in the 80's. Fired. Boom. Done.

      Why? In the interest of public safety. If this situation isn't in the interest of public safety I don't know what is.

      I suggest they go the 'binding arbitration' route. If this is refused by the union, then it's time to start writing pink slips. This is too important.

  • Isn't this where they were going to send Hannibal Lector (or at least offered to since it was a ruse) in Silence of the Lambs?

    How... delicious! *makes Lector Fava Beans sound*
  • Makes you wonder.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    ..who the "terrorists" on this planet really are, with "bio labs" like these one thing you can really count on is mankind will be the architect of his own demise.

    A>S
  • Emergency systems (Score:5, Insightful)

    by plams ( 744927 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:07AM (#8599265) Homepage

    The emergency brake (i.e. the handbrake) in trucks is usually kept open by compressed air. The compressed air is responsible for holding a spring back, so if the air is suddenly lost, for some reason, the spring will extend and brake the truck. (This is because the conventional brakes are powered by compressed air)

    Maybe a similar system could be used to automaticly seal off contaminated areas, in case power is lost?

    • Re:Emergency systems (Score:5, Informative)

      by StateOfTheUnion ( 762194 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:36AM (#8599621) Homepage

      Maybe a similar system could be used to automaticly seal off contaminated areas, in case power is lost?

      We do that when designing safety systems in chemical plants and refineries . . . critical systems are designed to "fail open" or "fail closed" depending on the situation. By "fail", I mean if the system loses power (whether it be electric, pneumatic, etc.) For example, one would not want a fuel gas valve on a boiler to "fail open" and one would not want a chilled water quench system on that same boiler to "fail closed." Also, there are almost always manual block valves in the event of a more catastrophic failure.

      If the doors cited in the article fail open, it would imply that it is impossible/impractical to design a fail closed system for sealing the doors, triple redundant backup generators were considered sufficient to address the failure mode, or the engineer that designed the system should be sent to remedial engineering school.

  • Has NOBODY read the links provided? This is a veterinary research facility run by the USDA (the people who make sure our cows and chickens are healthy). Everybody is talking about "how horrible America keeps biological weapons". The whole facility is toured routinely by research scientists. While there's the possibility of a "secret gub'mint bug lab" elsewhere, it ain't here. The Plum Island Animal Disease Center is not a weapon research lab, there *are* backup generators (which didn't work), and it's not a video game.

    Signal noise, people... Signal noise.

    --
    Evan

    • The point of the article is not that the center isn't needed. It's that something so horribly stupid can occur there in a lvl 4 facility.

      Simply saying "Well we had back up generators, but they didn't work. Sorry." Does not cut it.

  • by jayrtfm ( 148260 ) <[jslash] [at] [sophont.com]> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:12AM (#8599329) Homepage Journal
    Michael Christopher Carroll's new book Lab 257 [harpercollins.com] details the politics, lies and incompetence that surrounds the lab. While I haven't read the book yet, I did see him speak at B&N a few weeks ago when he kicked off the book tour. I was impressed by the thouroughness of his research (he had a few of the people who helped him there), getting the original documents from the National archives, comfirming stories by interviewing multiple witnesses, and speaking to the son of the man who started the lab.

    He has done an audio interview [soundwaves2000.com] on rense.com and onNPR (can't find the link)

    What he describes sounds similar to the problems laid out by the Columbia Accident Investigation Board.

  • by MarkusH ( 198450 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:16AM (#8599367)

    From a United Stataes Animal Health Association's 1998 Report:


    Beyond the traditional four biosafety levels, U.S. Agriculture has an additional level, biosafety level 5 (BL5), designed for agents that by law are not allowed on the U.S. mainland. Both foot-and-mouth disease virus and rinderpest virus require that BL3-Ag facilities in which they are studied be separated from the mainland. There is only one facility in the U.S. that meets BL5 criteria -- the Plum Island Animal Disease Center.


    Original Report Here [usaha.org].

  • by ka9dgx ( 72702 ) * on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:32AM (#8599549) Homepage Journal
    Any decent hospital Emergency Room deals with Level 2 all the time (sharps, blood, etc), and will see Level 3 on a fairly regular basis (Tuberculosis, Encephalitis, etc).

    --Mike--

  • by subjectstorm ( 708637 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:46AM (#8599758) Journal
    i work in a network control center.

    while our function is important, it isn't "critical", in that, should we completely shut down, no one would actually die.

    having said that, i should now like to point out that we have two procedures in place to ensure that we do not experience a power outage:

    one is an enormous CAT generator that is tested every tuesday and thursday. the lights blink for a moment, that's all. regular tests of any back-up power system are certainly advisable.

    the second is an enormous bank of batteries. the main function of this is as sort of a universal UPS, keeping the computers from going down while the generator gets up. granted, it won't last long, but it is SOMETHING.

    they can blame anyone they want for the failure of the generators, but, barring outright sabotage immediately before the power outage, i'd say this entire fiasco is the result of piss poor testing procedures. one could have any number of back-up generators in reserve . . . but if they aren't tested ROUTINELY, this is the sort of crap that can and does happen.
  • Union Busters (Score:5, Informative)

    by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @11:56AM (#8599892) Homepage
    Mother Jones [motherjones.com] has an interesting article [motherjones.com] that provides some background on the labor problems at Plum Island. It appears that the contractor, LB&B Associates, with USDA assistance, is trying to destroy the union.
  • Ken Alibek(ov) (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chitlenz ( 184283 ) <chitlenz@@@chitlenz...com> on Thursday March 18, 2004 @01:12PM (#8600967) Homepage
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385 334966/qid=1079632818/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-04375 66-8960154?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Biohazard was written by the head of the Russian bioweaponeering program in the 80s-90s. There are literally pictures of him standing with a bunch of scientists in places like Plum Island (i thiknk its actually in Arkansas at the Pine Bluff facility) during one of the many "goodwill" tours the USSR and the US had during treaty negotiations after the cold war.

    This book is SCARY. Apparently, the chimera virus so easily discounted earlier in this post is very real, and was an attempt to mix ebola and smallpox and seal it in gelatinized capsules to make it airborne and able to survive the explosion of delivery by bombs. Why bother? Because their research was based on whatever was considered INCURABLE in the west. Several accidents in russian experiments are well documented, and show up in old news reports as "food poisoning" or other polically correct reasons for mass deaths in suburban areas. Apparently in one case, someone got drunk and forgot to put the air filters back on at an Anthrax plant and killed a bunch of folx.

    2 points: someone noted that this is small scale research. This is incorrect, as Ken Alibek notes that weaponized germs have to be produced by the TON in order to keep the stockpile of arms fresh enough for maximum impact. Think about what a TON of ebola would do to anywhere. Second, where did all this shit go? He documents how at least one of the starving workers at a smallpox plant slipped out with a live vial (from a lvl4 facility) to try to sell it as a supplemental income. In lots of cases, noone knows where it all went.

    The upside is that it mostly doesn't work as effectively as it's billed. Spraying an agent would probably only infect a small number of people, since delivery of a live virus is apparently a very hard thing to accomplish effectively.

    -chitlenz

  • by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @01:45PM (#8601376) Homepage Journal
    You'd think that BushCo's invocation of bioterror at every turn would be backed up with support for these bio research labs, and especially their staff. These geeks are the high-tech asset giving us our edge in bioweapons and defense, not the collapsing building they work in. You can bet that they're not cashing in on any Bush tax breaks like their neighbors in Connecticut and the Hamptons. And as geeks, you know it must really be bad out there for them to stoop to such untidy blue-collar tactics as a strike, especially in Republican dominated Long Island. So we should wave them goodbye as they float across the Atlantic to friendlier Europe, with its own rising demand for bioweapons experts, where many of these geeks come from, and many foreigners will find friendlier than The Homeland. And if you get in some sympathetic "Bon Voyage" messages now, they might let you crash at their flats when their debacle happens to you.
  • by qtp ( 461286 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @02:08PM (#8601674) Journal
    The Connecticut town of Lyme (Old Lyme, and East Lyme as well) is less than ten miles away accross the Long Island Sound from Plum Island (If you were ever in the Navy and pulled out from New London or the Groton Sub Base, then youve been within 150 yardsof the place).

    Mycoplasma Fermentans [angelfire.com] has been detected in patients of Gulf War Syndrome, Lyme Disease, and HIV in almost all cases. It is often also detected in Multiple Sclerosis patients, and the US Army released instructions to the Veterans Administration shortly after the Korean War that all MS cases developing within two years of a serviceman returning from Korea should be considered to be service related.

    There is a connection [whale.to] that has been noticed by doctors in that area, as well as by doctors treating patients who have lived in that area in other locations.

    There is also at least one patent [uspto.gov]held by the US Army for this organism.

    It's good that there's covertage of some of the mishaps that occur at these facilities, but it seems that a "mishap" might not be enough to account for the problems that have been connected to the communitioes surrounding Plum Island and are spreading through the population. (Yes, Gulf War Syndrome is contagious, and did "originate" in many veterans who never left the states.)

  • by Tom in Boston ( 453354 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @02:15PM (#8601752)
    Here's a Terraserver view [microsoft.com] of the island. I don't see anything dangerous! Well, nothing bigger than 1 meter, anyway.
  • by djdanlib ( 732853 ) on Thursday March 18, 2004 @03:13PM (#8602475) Homepage
    Read on past this rant if you can.

    # begin rant # Seems to me like this guy likes to take the sensationalist approach more than the straight facts approach, and shock us out of our right minds. But that's to be expected from a human author. # end rant #

    Did anyone else read this and get the impression that he wanted us to think that these horrible, awful scourge-of-mankind diseases ORIGINATED from this facility? I'll post about the origins of two big names he drops here.

    Lyme Disease is actually named after a town in Connecticut where it was first documented in the 1970s. That town's name? Old Lyme [oldlymect.com]. I go there every year for a vacation, so I know about it very well. It spreads to humans by ticks - exactly the kind of thing you'd expect Plum to have inside. However, it is easily treated, has a decent grace period before complications occur, and is not debilitating until it gets really bad. You can read more about it here [ufl.edu]. If this easily curable disease was indeed the result of an experiment at Plum Island, then it was probably the crappiest and least effective bioweapon ever invented.

    Now, about West Nile Virus. According to this document [ebicom.net]: Unless new information comes to light, the first case of West Nile virus to be subjected to scientific study was brought to medical attention in December 1937 at Omogo, West Nile district, Northern Province of Uganda. That case (and the subsequent viral characterization process) was documented by members of the Yellow Fever Research Institute, Entebbe, Uganda in 1940. I seriously doubt they created West Nile in a laboratory that long ago.

    The Plum Island laboratory (Link 1 [usda.gov] Link 2 [dhs.gov] got any more links?) has been around plenty longer than Lyme Disease has been known according to this document [powertolearn.com], but it is newer than West Nile. Directly copied from that site: In 1946, a disease laboratory was built at Fort Terry by the government. Fort Terry was closed in 1948 because we were no longer at war, and it was no longer needed. Fort Terry was reopened to research new ways to go to war, and for the development of chemicals to kill animals.

    Draw your own conclusion, here's your sketch pencil.

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