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Edward Teller Passes Away At 95 618

Lord Prox writes "Edward Teller, one of the 20th Century's greats in physics, died Tuesday afternoon at his home in Stanford. He was 95." Newsforge.com also has one of the final interviews with Teller, who was "a principal architect of the hydrogen bomb, [and] passionate advocate of nuclear power and antimissile defense."
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Edward Teller Passes Away At 95

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:43AM (#6927905)
    In the salad days of nuclear-weapons testing, the United States detonated 331atomic, hydrogen, and thermonuclear bombs. Many of those explosions appear in Trinity and Beyond [amazon.com], which utilizes a lot of declassified footage, most of it in color. Standouts include the United States' South Pacific detonation of an atom bomb 90 feet below the water to study the effects on a fleet of ships. Surprise, surprise, they sink! If that wasn't enough, the navy also loaded the decks with sheep to study the effects of the blast on life forms. Surprise, surprise, they die! Glowing leg of lamb anyone? This film will alternately amuse and horrify you at the rampant irresponsibility of the Soviets and Americans in their quest for nuclear domination. The Russians have the honor of having detonated the largest nuclear bomb ever at a whopping 58 megatons. The Hiroshima bomb was barely a kiloton. Of course, after the U.S.and Russia ceased their activities, the Chinese decided to get in on the act. But that's a different story for a different documentary.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    how is Penn taking the news? He'll never be the same without Teller.
  • Thank you Teller. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:48AM (#6927927)
    That's sad to hear. Though some might strongly disagree, as a military guy myself, anyone who advances the capability for the USA to protect and defend itself is held in high regard by me.

    Thank you Mr Teller.
    • Re:Thank you Teller. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by aduzik ( 705453 )
      Yes indeed. Well put.
    • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:54AM (#6928279)
      > That's sad to hear. Though some might strongly disagree, as a military guy myself, anyone who advances the capability for the USA to protect and defend itself is held in high regard by me.
      >
      > Thank you Mr Teller.

      <AOL>Me too</AOL>

      And one doesn't have to be a military guy to be thankful. I'm a civvie.

      Einstein was my first childhood hero; his life taught me that science could be fun. Almost immediately, my classmates taught me that there was a downside to all this fun; being into science could also make you very unpopular.

      It was a short hop from Einstein to Oppenheimer (Feynmann was still ten years beyond my comprehension; I'd just learned long division, fer chrissakes!), and from Oppie to Teller.

      Teller was my second childhood hero - and possibly the one with the greatest impact on my daily life - because his life taught me that even if the pursuit of scientific knowledge made you unpopular, it was still right to pursue it. Truth comes first. No matter who it offends.

      So thanks, Dr. Teller. You made mistakes, and you owned up to them. (And with the benefit of 20 years of history, perhaps you weren't as mistaken about Oppenheimer as you thought). But more importantly, when you hadn't made a mistake (and for anyone who's not perfectly clear on this, Yes, I Mean The H-Bomb), for sticking to your guns, doing the science, and for never letting the bastards get you down.

      Today, in adulthood, upon reading a few choice passages from Memoirs and today's obituaries, I stood in awe of a mind still active and exploring, even at 95. And I realized I'd be a very happy guy if my mind's only half as functional as that when I'm 65, never mind 95.

      So goodbye, Dr. Teller. And thanks for being an inspiration to me one more time.

      • by javiercero ( 518708 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @02:16AM (#6928347)
        So please let us know what contributions to the field of physics did your hero Teller brought? Have you even read any paper from Teller? And how can you hop from Oppenheimer to Teller? Do you even know what fields of physics were they involved. Jeezus, do you even know what physics is for that matter. Oh, and let us know what new information you have about Oppenheimer that the rest of the world seems to be unaware of. Did you know that Oppenheimer did 100x more to defend this country by being one of the most succesful administrators of the national labs than Teller did with his political manipulations and 0 scientific contributions. But I guess Oppenheimer had to be a dirty commie for opposing a device that had no use, and that would bring us all one step closer to total destruction.
      • Re:Thank you Teller. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by 4of12 ( 97621 )

        being into science could also make you very unpopular.

        Yes, I became a scientist despite being presented with the image of Simon Barsinister, villian of Underdog, at an early age.

        Edward Teller was an extraordinary individual, both quirky and brilliant. And he kind of looked a bit like Simon Barsinister, too.

    • by secolactico ( 519805 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @02:20AM (#6928358) Journal
      Thank you Mr Teller.

      Likewise over here. I just hope your long time partner Penn Jillette is able to carry on with your work.
  • Hiroshima (Score:5, Interesting)

    by scrote-ma-hote ( 547370 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:52AM (#6927944)
    After visiting Hiroshima on a school trip, and seeing the awesome destruction of nuclear weapons, I have been scared witless of them. It didn't help that I was also in Tokyo when they had their nuclear "accident".

    I have no objections to a healthy debate about nuclear weapons, but you have to think that their main task is wholesale destruction.

    • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Interesting)

      by NanoGator ( 522640 )
      "After visiting Hiroshima on a school trip, and seeing the awesome destruction of nuclear weapons, I have been scared witless of them."

      Whoah, that took me by surprise. Is Hiroshima as it was after the blast?

      Sorry to sound ignorant, at least give me credit for asking. I haven't really thought about what Hiroshima would be today.
      • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:15AM (#6928069)
        Is Hiroshima as it was after the blast?

        Hiroshima is gorgeous. It's not a crater and not a radioactive wasteland. Unless you recognize the name, you'd have no way to tell it apart from any other gleaming Japanese city. Some people have absorbed anti-nuclear propaganda and assume that atomic weapons will render the target area uninhabitable for centuries. That's just wrong (although the propaganda is based on Cold War era weapons, which dwarf the power of the bombs dropped on Japan)

        Note that 100% of Japanese cities were bombed flat in WWII, so all buildings are less than 50 years old (even without the bombing, earthquakes would keep destroying them). Thus they may all look similar to a naive visitor.
        • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Insightful)

          by rjkimble ( 97437 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:25AM (#6928138) Homepage Journal
          Note that 100% of Japanese cities were bombed flat in WWII, so all buildings are less than 50 years old (even without the bombing, earthquakes would keep destroying them). Thus they may all look similar to a naive visitor.
          Not at all true. There were still several large cities left pretty much untouched at the end of the war. Truman in particular refused to authorize the bombing of Kyoto because of its religious, historical, and cultural significance. I might add that the Japanese military would have shown no similar sense of honor. They were insane zealots of the first magnitude. Just take a look at how they fought on the Pacific islands, especially Okinawa. If you don't believe me, ask the Koreans, Chinese, and Philippinos who experienced them firsthand.
          • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:49AM (#6928254)
            (Nobody should mod you down for that. Real flamebait looks distinctly different)

            I might add that the Japanese military would have shown no similar sense of honor.

            Some would question whether avoiding potentially useful targets, which prolongs the fighting and endagers your own troops, is really "honor". What does it mean to value some rotting wooden buildings over human lives?

            Others might ask if commanding a single pilot to kill 100,000 helpless civilians simply to impress the USSR is honorable.

            But let's not get into that.
            • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Insightful)

              by skyhawker ( 234308 )
              I'm not sure what you mean by your comments, but Kyoto was then and is still a very beautiful city. Many of Truman's war planners wanted to "poke a hot cinder into the eyes of" the Japanese by targeting Hiroshima, but he decided it was just too dishonorable, even for an opponent as despicable as the WWII Japanese. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they were largely untouched to that point and they had significant manufacturing and logistical facilities. They weren't just filled with helpless civili
              • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Informative)

                by Minna Kirai ( 624281 )
                The Japanese were still a formidable threat, and it was essential that we defeat them utterly. To allow them to regroup and rebuild without eliminating the elements that led them into the war would have been utter folly.

                No they were not formidable. They had no Navy left at all. Japan has zero natural resources (iron, coal, oil), and had no stockpiles left. There is no way to "rebuild" a 20th century army from rice and wood. They could not have harmed any American serviceman unless he set foot on their
        • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Interesting)

          by afidel ( 530433 )
          This is false. My uncle lives in his wifes family home which is more than 150 years old. This house is on the outskirts of Nagoya, a large city.
          • That house has been rebuilt. With traditional Japanese building materials, no residence can survive more than 40 years. It might be replaced piece-by-piece, or all at once after a disaster, but the original building is gone.

            PS. What's the rule of thumb for evaluating the veracity of any sentence starting with "100% of the ..." ?
        • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Interesting)

          by zakezuke ( 229119 )
          Actually, the local doctor where I lived as a kid was from Hiroshima and was there during the blast. From the story I was told she and her twin sister were bathing in a local pond. She was fortunate enough to have been under water at the time and survived. Her twin sister was half incinerated.
        • by fm6 ( 162816 )

          Note that 100% of Japanese cities were bombed flat in WWII...

          Not quite true. Kyoto was never bombed. Several others. Hiroshima and Nagasaki escaped bombing until the final attacks. Why? Certain people knew the A Bomb was coming, and they wanted to see the effect on an untouched city.

          Many Japanese still believe that Kyoto was never bombed out of respect for that city's cultural importance. One version of the story has it that there was that there was a tacit agreement between the U.S. and Japanese militar

        • Corrections (Score:3, Informative)

          by achurch ( 201270 )

          Unless you recognize the name, you'd have no way to tell [Hiroshima] apart from any other gleaming Japanese city.

          Except for the Genbaku (Atomic Bomb) Dome [achurch.org] sitting right squat in the middle of the city. That is still as it was 58 years ago, and is probably what the original poster was referring to. Seeing that symbol of destruction really makes you think (and if not, then with all due respect you've got problems).

          Note that 100% of Japanese cities were bombed flat in WWII, so all buildings are less th

    • Wrong. (Score:3, Insightful)

      by DAldredge ( 2353 )
      Their main task is to never be used, to just sit there and look evil.

      That we have them to use discourages their use.
    • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Interesting)

      by bishmasterb ( 536143 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:14AM (#6928067)
      For what it's worth, Mr. Teller said (at least later in life) that we should have high-altitude detonated the first bomb over Tokyo bay as a demonstration of power, where casualties would have been minimal.
      • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Minna Kirai ( 624281 )
        That'd be a "blink and you missed it" kinda thing. What if the political leaders didn't happen to be watching? What if it was hard to judge distance, and they assumed a conventional bomb had nearly missed them? A blast over water doesn't leave tangible evidence behind (unless prehaps it destroyed some warships, but the Imperial Navy was already pushing up coral)

        To make a good demonstration, you'd need to do it on lightly inhabited land so that nearby people can wander onto the blast area and gaze around
        • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Interesting)

          by rjkimble ( 97437 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:32AM (#6928181) Homepage Journal
          The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were designed to be exploded in the air, roughtly 1000 feet above the ground. They were nowhere near powerful enough to put much of a dent into Mount Fuji. Most of the damage caused at Hiroshima was done by the fires afterward. To be sure, the blast did enormous damage, but the fires that followed leveled the city. Truman and his cabinet debated the merits of various approaches and concluded that the best approach was the one they followed. I think history has shown them to have been right.
    • Re:Hiroshima (Score:5, Insightful)

      by afidel ( 530433 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:26AM (#6928140)
      Hiroshima was nothing, the cities of Dresden, Kobe, Osaka, and others were destroyed in a MUCH worse fashion by the carpet firebombing of the allies. My German teacher was a little girl in Dresden during WWII and saw firsthand the horrors of those attacks. The percentage of Hiroshima affected even by the fallout was small compared to the destruction wrought on those other cities.
      • The difference between an A-Bomb and systematic firebombing is that panicked civilians can outrun fires and huddle together to starve in crowded suburban ruins.

        One does not outrun a gamma ray.

        Numerically, twice as many people died in 1 second at Hiroshima as did in one day at Dresden. Some people might say the amount of pain they suffered makes some difference; I don't.
        • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Steve B ( 42864 )
          The difference between an A-Bomb and systematic firebombing is that panicked civilians can outrun fires and huddle together to starve in crowded suburban ruins.

          You don't outrun a firestorm, unless you have muscle tissue that doesn't run by oxidation.

      • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Interesting)

        by matticus ( 93537 )
        Incidentally, I just moved to Dresden. Unlike Japan, the Dresdners are still rebuilding from the horror of that night, and the flood last year didn't help. However, all rebuilding should be complete for the beginning of 2006 (the city's 800th anniversary). You should see the Frauenkirche, an incredible old church that was utterly destroyed in 1945, and just started rebuilding in the late 80s (with private money, nonetheless). The scaffolding just came off part of the outside, and it looks amazing. I co
    • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Informative)

      by dabadab ( 126782 )
      It should be noted, that more people were killed by the absolutely unnecessary bombing of Dresden (done with conventional bombs)than in Hiroshima.

      As for nuclear power stations: people like to forget how much damaging are the conventional coal power plants (and they DO emit much more radioactivity) - and nuclear ones replace mostly these, not solar cell farms.

      And finally, it should be noted, that his name is Teller Ede, since he was Hungarian.
      • Re:Hiroshima (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @03:40AM (#6928646)
        more people were killed by the absolutely unnecessary bombing of Dresden (done with conventional bombs)than in Hiroshima.

        If you count slow death by radiation poisoning, then the Hiroshima deathcount surpassed Dresden's within 10 years.
    • Re:Hiroshima (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Guppy06 ( 410832 )
      "It didn't help that I was also in Tokyo when they had their nuclear "accident"."

      IIRC, it was less than a cubic foot of radioactive steam that was released.

      Your knee-jerk, poorly-reasoned reaction to seeing that (immediately thinking of a multi-kiloton nuclear blast) is why neither Japan, the US, and most other countries that know how to build nuclear power plants will never be able to take advantage of the clean and efficient source of power that such reactors are.

      Just to put things into perspective, c
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:52AM (#6927947)
    By Richard Rhoads.

    It's a fantastic book about the creation of the Atomic Bomb -- from when scientists first realized the possibility, through the manhatten project. It's set against the backdrop of political events of the first half of the century and provides a fascinating account of the entire experience, including the actions of Edward Teller.

    I'd highly recommend it.
    • Rather than just reading about them, view actual footage of many nuclear tests as well as extensive interviews with Teller in Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie [vce.com]
      It is a very moving documentary chronicling the development of atomic weaponry.
  • Yes (Score:2, Funny)

    Truly an American icon

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  • ...since he was referred to as "Dr. Strangelove" by some, i only thought it appropriate to quote a line that Teller would have found quite appropriate...

    "Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world!?"

  • A great loss (Score:5, Insightful)

    by leeum ( 156395 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:55AM (#6927959) Homepage Journal
    Some will mourn the loss of a man who vocally advocated the a strong national defense and who made great contributions to the development of the hydrogen bomb. I'm sure as well that others will castigate the man for those very same achievements.

    However, I remember myself as a geeky kid in Malaysia interested in science and technology, writing a letter to one of the 'great names'. I was quite amazed to receive a personal reply to my letter, typewritten but signed by hand. His reply was humble (he never put down any of what must have seemed to him to be naive and silly observations), encouraging (the words "I am pleased that there are children from all over the world like you who are interested in science." aren't much to an adult, but they sure meant a lot to me as a kid!) and inspiring.

    That sums up the man in my mind, and I mourn the loss of that man.
    • I was quite amazed to receive a personal reply to my letter, typewritten but signed by hand.

      Wow, so you actually have a Teller number of 1 ?
      If you would only be so kind as to reply to my reply, then I could boast a Teller number of 2.
  • by platform ( 705419 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:55AM (#6927963)
    Edward Teller: advocated the use of nuclear weapons for everything from digging holes to brushing teeth.

    Charles Simonyi: primarily responsible for the creation of Microsoft Office and Hungarian notation. *shudder*

    Coincidence or evil Hungarian conspiracy?
  • by photoblur ( 552862 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:55AM (#6927964) Homepage
    I just received news of Edward Teller's passage today via PhysicsWeb update, a physics news summary service of the Institute of Physics. Here's what they had to say:
    Edward Teller dies (Sep 10) http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/9/6 Edward Teller died on September 9 at his home on the campus of Stanford University in California, having had a stroke a few days earlier, according to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Teller was instrumental in the development of the hydrogen bomb, having previously worked on the Manhattan atomic-bomb project during the Second World War. A passionate advocate of nuclear weapons, he angered many physicists after he gave evidence at the 1954 trial of Robert Oppenheimer, the leader of the Manhattan project, that led to Oppenheimer losing his security clearance.
  • by Teeja ( 701014 )
    If it weren't for Teller, the Soviets might have developed (and used) the H-bomb first. Glad he was on our side.

    Here a link to an interesting interview with Teller along with some video clips: Teller Interview [achievement.org]

  • by jwachter ( 319790 ) * <wachter@gmaiCOBOLl.com minus language> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @12:58AM (#6927979) Homepage
    Did anyone notice that the obituary in the New York Times [nytimes.com] was written by someone who himself is already dead?

    Walter Sullivan, a science writer and editor for The New York Times, died in 1996.

    Spooky.

    • Yeah, papers like the New York Times tend to stockpile Obituaries for people they know are going to kick the bucket soon. Obviously, Teller hung around a lot longer than they expected.

      IIRC, there was a website slipup where obituaries for people who weren't dead yet suddenly appeared in a code glitch. I think Ronald Reagan was one of them... pretty amusing how poignant they read.

    • It was the same with Bob Hope's obituary in the NY Times; it was written by Vincent Canby, who predeceased him by several years. Ironic, in a morbid kind of way.

  • fairwell (Score:2, Interesting)

    Rest in peace, o ye father of the cold war. And may lessons be learned from your mistakes, your regrets, and your insights.

  • by sssmashy ( 612587 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:04AM (#6927995)

    A few years ago, he and colleagues submitted a paper to Nature that suggested dispersing sulfur dioxide or other submicron particles in the stratosphere to block sunlight and thus halt global warming.

    Easing the effects of one kind of pollutant by adding a whole bunch of other pollutants to the atmosphere. Goodbye, global warming; hello, acid rain! Between that, and the whole hydrogen bomb thing, I'm guessing he wasn't up for Greenpeace's Man of the Year award.

  • by cmowire ( 254489 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:04AM (#6927997) Homepage
    It should also be said that he unfairly denounced another scientist, Robert Oppenheimer, as a comunist. Because Oppenheimer didn't think we should go for the H-bomb.

    Not exactly a nice guy, glowing obituaries asside.
    • by hoofie ( 201045 ) <mickey&mouse,com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @05:39AM (#6928918)

      Extract from Times Obituary [timesonline.co.uk] :

      "He was later to say that, unlike Oppenheimer, he was opposed to the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, and would have preferred a demonstration of the new weapon's power to Japanese scientists. Nevertheless, in his memoirs, published in 2001, Teller admitted, while continuing to believe that Oppenheimer's opposition to the H-bomb was wrong, that the hearings had been a mistake, and that he himself had been unwise to testify."
    • ...he unfairly denounced another scientist...

      Read the Venona transcripts. Teller was right, Oppenheimer *was* a communist sympathizer at the very least.

      "...we can say for certain that Oppenheimer did in fact knowingly supply classified information on the atom bomb to the Soviet Union." While he directed the Manhattan Project, it was known that J. Robert Oppenheimer's wife, brother, and sister-in-law were all members of the Communist Party. The fact that he regularly gave a large portion of his salary to

  • Praise? I think not. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:07AM (#6928018)
    Edward Teller did more to bring this world to the brink of destruction than any other human that has ever lived.

    His ego drove him to push the hydrogen bomb on the world, and his ego prevented him from both admitting his mistake and from doing his best (like many of the other scientists who aided him) to make amends.

    For those of who you insist the hydrogen bomb is necessary for national security, you're both ignorant and foolish. The hydrogen bomb has basically no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    A non-hydrogen based atomic bomb has more than enough bang to destroy our enemies. The ONLY use for a hydrogen bomb is planetary destruction.

    I, for one, will not miss Teller in the least. He represents the worst of humanity. He was willing to put his ego ahead of, quite literally, ALL else.
  • "And during the funeral, a reckless prank is being..."

    Oh wait a sec... listen to his coffin...

    *tick tick tick tick....*

  • Beyond a few well-worn platitudes, it's obvious that the interviewer is almost completely ignorant of the history surrounding Edward Teller's life - essentially, the key events of the 20th Century.

    If it were not for Dr. Teller, there likely wouldn't be an Internet nor a Slashdot, because we'd all be too afraid of arrest by the KGB to do anything other than quote Marxist platitudes at one another at our jobs in Red October Tractor Factory #5 or whatever. And for this callow young woman to speculate that th
  • I met him once... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Scott Ransom ( 6419 ) <sransom AT nrao DOT edu> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:17AM (#6928083)
    I posted this a few years ago for a related story, but it seems worth repeating now:

    So, I met him in an pseudo-interview with about 6 other students. I asked him if it ever bothered him to be the "Father of the H-Bomb" since his "baby" could be used for such evil and/or immoral purposes.

    I thought he was going to jump out of his chair at me.

    He got very upset and angrily announced that a scientist's only responsibility is to science. The possible uses of a discovery should not even be considered by the researchers -- that is someone elses business. And because of this, he did not feel even the slightest bit of remorse for his work on the bomb.

    And then he upbraided _me_ (since I was on my way to grad school to become a scientist at the time) for thinking that a scientist _should_ worry about the moral implications of his/her work.

    Needless to say, I didn't ask any more questions. ;)
    • A scientist also shouldn't be afraid to ask questions, or make another scientist afraid to do so.

      KFG
    • by refactored ( 260886 ) <cyent.xnet@co@nz> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @02:06AM (#6928318) Homepage Journal
      So long as they go up,

      who cares where they come down,
      that's not my department
      says Werner von Braun.
      by Tom Lehrer
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Great pic of the sausage can be found here:

    The Sausage [enviroweb.org]

    It doesn't look too impressive until you see the guy sitting in front of it, which puts it into perspective. This was the United State's first thermonuclear device. Yield: 10.4 megatons. Made a big boom. =)
  • by Goonie ( 8651 ) * <robert.merkel@b[ ... g ['ena' in gap]> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:29AM (#6928166) Homepage
    Given Teller's prominence as a scientist, you'd expect that his orbituary would say "he discovered the furble effect", or something like it. But in all the obits I've read all that it says is that he "headed Lawrence Livermore" and "advocated for" various things, giving the impression that Teller was perhaps an outstandingly successful science politician rather than an outstanding scientist.

    Is this accurate or not?

  • by E-prospero ( 30242 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @01:48AM (#6928247) Homepage
    An old, but good poem, originally published in the New Yorker, that makes mention of Dr Teller. RIP.
    --

    Perils of Modern Living - Harold P. Furth

    Well up above the tropostrata
    There is a region stark and stellar
    Where, on a streak of anti-matter
    Lived Dr. Edward Anti-Teller.

    Remote from Fusion's origin,
    He lived unguessed and unawares
    With all his antikith and kin,
    And kept macassars[1] on his chairs.

    One morning, idling by the sea,
    He spied a tin of monstrous girth
    That bore three letters: A. E. C.[2]
    Out stepped a visitor from Earth.

    Then, shouting gladly o'er the sands,
    Met two who in their alien ways
    Were like as gentils. Their right hands
    Clasped, and the rest was gamma rays.

    --
    [1]. Macassar oil was a popular hair dressing in the 19th century, named after the Indonesian port where the oil purportedly came from. An "antimacassar" is the decorative fabric used on chairs or sofas to protect the upholstery.

    [2]. AEC=Atomic Energy Commission, now replaced by DOE=Department of Energy. The AEC (like the DOE today) funded most of the National Laboratories, including Teller's Livermore Laboratory.
  • No mention of Ulam? (Score:3, Informative)

    by piotru ( 124109 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @04:36AM (#6928766) Homepage Journal
    For good or bad, Teller wasn't the only father of the hydrogen bomb.
    From:
    http://www.phy.bg.ac.yu/web_projects /giants/teller .html

    ----
    Teller and his colleagues at Los Alamos made little actual progress in designing a workable thermonuclear device until early in 1951, when the physicist Stanislaw M. Ulam proposed to use the mechanical shock of an atomic bomb to compress a second fissile core and make it explode; the resulting high density would make the burning of the second core's thermonuclear fuel much more efficient. Teller in response suggested that radiation, rather than mechanical shock, from the atomic bomb's explosion be used to compress and ignite the thermonuclear second core. Together these new ideas provided a firm basis for a fusion weapon, and a device using the Teller-Ulam configuration, as it is now known, was successfully tested at Enewetak atoll in the Pacific on Nov. 1, 1952; it yielded an explosion equivalent to 10 million tons (10 megatons) of TNT.

    ----
  • Edward the Great (Score:4, Interesting)

    by im a fucking coward ( 695509 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @05:10AM (#6928832)
    Apparently nobody studies history anymore, but Mr. Teller should be recognized as a national hero of science.

    Oppenheimer had been closely associated with communists from his earliest relationships, had latter vigorously attempted to stop H bomb development, and the secrets of the atomic bomb were stolen from under his management. To fault Teller for bearing true witness is lunacy, nearly as crazy as it was to fault Robert for his friendships and point of view, (which he had forthrightly admitted prior to becoming admin of Los Alamos).

    Moreover, Teller had a legitimate reason to fear and despise Stalin, along with any group to which he was associated, having witnessed the terror of the Red army spilling familial blood in the streets of Hungary. He had first hand knowledge of the depths of its depravity, and was prescient in his understanding that only inexplicable horror would sate the whims of communist dictators.

    That he should love this country enough to devote the greater part of his life and mental energies to protecting US dominance and expanding our sphere of influence to cover the globe demonstrates an uncanny foresight coupled with what must have been a deeply held love for the whole of humanity. Admittedly he hid it well with gruff mannerisms, but any other conclusions are based on illogical, often hysterical premises.

    Consider the historical context: Both the Germans AND Japanese were developing nuclear weapons. Stalin killed 25 million Russians, Poles, Jews, etc. Germans killed untold millions after working them to death, and experimented on living 'subjects'. The Japanese were guilty of the Bataan death march, and countless atrocities not limited even to hacking off prisoners penises and sewing them to their lips while still alive, and easily raping and killing millions of innocent civilians. You have to be strictly ignorant of the 20th century not to realize that our obtaining first mastery of atomic structure is the only thing that stopped terrorism on a continental scale. If any of these parties had gained an unanswerable first strike nuclear capability, the untold misery of billions would have hung in the balance.

    Teller, Szilard, Oppenheimer, Rabi, Bohr, Rutherford, Einstein, and the other scientists involved in atom & H bomb development are owed a HUGE debt of gratitude by the world, by civilization itself.

    The world is a shade darker with the loss of Edward's brilliance.

    Kommando Chris

    PS: It's sad to realize the unknowing sacrifice of .25 million Nipponese saved the lives of at least 15 million. If you can coherently argue otherwise, I agree to disagree, but would encourage an indepth study of Japan circa 1920-45 rather than trade meaningless barbs. The study of radiation effects is impossible to understand humanely, but asking a million Marines to kill millions is hardly an adequate answer.
    Hirohito was powerless and mute without the shock and terror delivered to the populous, and if the destruction of Tokyo by bombardment had not produced the desired surrender (civilians were ordered to stay in their homes and try to put out the fires until dead), how many more millions should we have blown up to bring the war to an end?
    Simply put, it was the most horrible and humane way to bring a merciful end to the insanity of that war.
    PSS: Pacifists (Einstein, Szilard & Fermi(?)) hatched the idea of atomic bombs, the liberal Democrats (FDR) in government secretly commited to and funded these 'horrible' and 'inhumane' weapons, a 'communist' (Oppie) developed them, and another Democrat (Truman) dropped them. Please explain to me why I'm more intelligent, compassionate and humane as a pacifist Democratic voter again? Oh yeah, our party blew up 250,000 innocent civilians. And we freed the slaves, er... wait a minute... and we directly increased taxes to consumers by increasing taxes on the evil corporations, who only add that cost directly to their goods and services...ummmm, shit. Harakiri anyone?
    • Re:Edward the Great (Score:3, Interesting)

      by ojQj ( 657924 )
      Most of your post sounds plausible but I'd like to take issue with one (off-topic) point you made:

      and we directly increased taxes to consumers by increasing taxes on the evil corporations, who only add that cost directly to their goods and services

      When a tax on a good is increased, it is rarely the case that the full cost of that tax is passed on to the consumer. How much is passed on depends on the elasticity of demand (ie, taxes on cigarettes come primarily out of the consumers pocket. Taxes on lit

  • by Enoch Root ( 57473 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @05:37AM (#6928911)
    Mad scientists and evil overlords everywhere mourn your passing!
  • by TygerFish ( 176957 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @07:49AM (#6929299)
    There are a lot of threads here, some of them old and ugly.

    1. With regard to the Middle Eastern Mess; it's, well, a mess. None of the Ugly anti-semitic, anti-jewish/anti-arab arguments, slurs, conspiracy theories--ancient and modern-- and what have you are anything like necesary.

    Really, save yourself the energy; borrow a page from Witgenstein and, instead of making meaningless statements, why not just say that sickening generalizations aren't worth your time? Really, they aren't and can't be when playing with a yo-yo for the time it took to think up the biggot-stuff would at least have the fact that it built motor coordination to recommend it.

    2. Concerning the star wars/anti star wars arguments, it's a nasty can of worms to have opened. Now that that it's in the world, the people who like it seem to hold it in a similar light to that which is usually reserve for questions of religious faith. Star wars just won't die and that's too bad, considering how short life is. I obviously fall on the 'anti' side when it comes to the issue and I think my reasons are good.

    Long thoughtful books have been written on just what crap the whole notion of missle defense is. Missile screens are vastly expensive and, like the Maginot Line, limited by their specialization. Worse still, If nothing else, the September 11 attacks clearly and unequivocally demonstrate that the traditional 'nuclear deterrent' enjoyed by the great powers is itself ineffective and is rapidly becoming less so because every small nation that gets nuclear arms and aims them at anything important get to thumb its nose at the great powers that have them. Current affairs in North Korea, suggest that if Saddam Hussein had had them, he'd be smoking a cigar in Baghdad right now.

    Real, effective, missile defense is decades and tens, if not hundreds of billions away and even if it had been up and running, running perfectly, from some spotless control center two years ago, it would have been meaningless against 20 guys in the right place armed with ten bucks worth of boxcutters.

    In the world of fantasy and need, a simple, single solution like star wars is a magic bullet. Magic bullets aren't like the real world's compromises and partial successes; magic bullets solve all known old problems and create no new ones. When people imagine a magic bullet, hope blows away common sense, in this case, at an unimaginable cost.

    Star wars is expensive. Boxcutters are cheap, but real, sustainable peace is cheaper still.

  • by SeanAhern ( 25764 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @02:36PM (#6934233) Journal
    I work at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory [llnl.gov], the laboratory that Teller and E. O. Lawrence founded back in the 50s. Teller still came into the lab every few days or so up the point of his death. Periodically, he would give Q/A sessions with summer students and other interested parties.

    On July 24 of this year, I attended one of these. I can write a lot about what he had to say, but what has come to the fore of my mind since the news of his death was one question in particular. Someone asked him what he most wanted to be remembered for. He responded that his discovery of the "Jahn-Teller effect" was the work that he was most proud of. It involes crystal symmetry arising from interactions between elecrons and nuclei, and turned out to be very important for material science.

    This was work that he did to help unravel certain energy configurations of the benzene molecule. I'm not a chemist, so I only have the vaguest notion of what the Jahn-Teller effect entails. But it involves calculating the electron distribution of a molecule, coupled with its vibrational energy. If I am understanding it correctly, Jahn and Teller first demonstrated that the two energy states can be coupled, allowing for a lower, most stable energy state than if each were considered separately. It's still studied to this day.

    Teller got very animated while he was talking about his work on this. I find it a shame that none of the writeups and obituaries I've read have mentioned this work. This is my small contribution.
  • by gvc ( 167165 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @07:29PM (#6937716)
    I recommend two books that detail the wartime and postwar efforts to build the bomb. Teller's roles, both in the technology and the politics, are covered. So are the roles of many other players, including Germans and Russians.

    The making of the atomic bomb and Dark Sun - The making of the hydrogen bomb, by Richard Rhodes.

    Rhodes won a Pulitzer for the first volume and I daresay it is the better. Both are not without fault (in particular the second was not universally acclaimed in the physics community), but I found them intriguing.

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