Sniffing Out Cancer 112
Makarand writes "Researchers at the Univeristy of Rome are developing an
electronic nose that
can sniff out cancer by sampling people's breath. The instrument uses sensors
that respond to the presence of chemical compounds in the patient's breath.
For example, lung cancer patients exhale alkanes and benzene derivatives
which the electronic nose will try to detect. The sensors are quartz crystal
sensors coated with a substance that binds to a range of organic chemicals.
If certain molecules in the breath bind to this surface coating they change
the natural vibration frequency of the crystal."
I can even do this. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, it is called cigarette smoke, and we've known it is a carcinogen for 40 years now. I do have trouble identifying which stench is the benzyne, and which is the nicotine though
Re:I can even do this. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I can even do this. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I can even do this. (Score:2)
Re:I can even do this. (Score:2, Funny)
I can smell it, if you smoke cigarettes with it, or eat McDonalds Hamburgers everyday.
Not sure how you got an "interesting" mod, but good for you.
Re:I can even do this. (Score:2, Interesting)
Or maybe I get it from the BBC too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2006037.stm
Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:5, Insightful)
It would just be as much scoial and economic discrimination if the patients would die because their cancer was detected too late. And the earlier it is detected, the higher are the chances for it to be cured.
Re:Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:3, Interesting)
As someone with two second-degree relatives with colon cancer, this is something that's personally very important. I'd rather blow on the cancer detector than get medieval with the colonoscope.
Discrimination (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Discrimination (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know where to even begin with this. First of all, the dichotomy between "natural" vs. "unnatural" cancer is bizarre and incorrect. There are literally thousands of factors that influence whether someone gets cancer or not, from heredity to environmental factors to lifestyle. Should the non
Re:Discrimination (Score:3, Interesting)
When you blow your liver apart from drinking too much you fundamentaly rank lower on the transplant list than the 8 year old girl down the hall suffering from a bizarre liver failure.
I'm not saying that hospitals should turn away lung cancer patients who smoked a lot or something like that. I'm not sure I'm ok with my tax dollars going to bail them out of their highly self destructive habit though.
Of course, in a system where you don't want some disgruntled govt beur
Re:Discrimination (Score:3, Insightful)
Why? Because the girl's life is somehow more valuable than the alcoholic's? Because the alcoholic is somehow more deserving of his fate than the girl? Because she deserves the liver more? I don't think I'm qualified to make decisions about whose life is more worth saving, or whose is in some sense more deserving of lifesa
Re:Discrimination (Score:2)
I don't know if it's good or not that we consider an 8 year old girl a "better candiate" for a liver transplant than a life-long alcoholic. Nonetheless, we do.
Steping outside the role of medicine now....
Does the government have the moral right to refuse the pony up for transplants or other expensive medical procedures required by a condition a patient brought upon themselves? This is idle curiosity, I hold no terribly strong opinion either
Re:Discrimination (Score:1, Insightful)
The alky made CHOICES which led to his condition. The girl didnt.
From your post I would guess you think people who make bad choices should not be held accountable for them. Im not saying you are one, but that is the very root of modern liberalism.(Modern, not 50-60s era)
Re:Discrimination (Score:2)
I'll bite. . .
That's simplistic. The alcoholic might have an unknown predisposition to liver failure that was exacerbated by his drinking. In that case, the liver failure isn't a direct consequence of the drinking, it's a consequence of a genetic predisposition. Or perhaps he's predisposed to alcoholism; then you might say that his alcoholism is the consequnce of a predisposition that the guy didn't choose. But I think we'd both agree
Re:Discrimination (Score:1)
Graham
Re:Discrimination (Score:2)
The decision is usually made based on the simple reason that in the case of the alcoholic, there is generally a lot more wrong with them than just the liver, replacing the liver will extend their lives but not dramatically. You're talking two years or so at the most.
The little girl would get a lot more use out of the liver.
There is ano
Re:Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:2)
Re:Only detects it, doesn't cure it (Score:2)
Early detection of cancer can lead to cures. Why would we want to keep that possibility out of the hands of cancer patients and those at risk for cancer?
We need to be vigilant that such technology is used for only private medical testing.
What gasses... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What gasses... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What gasses...you might be on to something (Score:1)
sometimes good research comes from the darndest places!
Science put to good use? Wierd. (Score:5, Interesting)
It seems likely it comes at a cost though. The accuracy of chemical detection they are talking about would make for some damnably accurate breath and air analysis tools. I certainly hope we resolve our most recent bout of prohibition in the states before Breathalyzers that can detect days old residue in the lungs are on the hip of every officer in the state.
Who said it would be cheap? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Who said it would be cheap? (Score:1)
And if someone patents the "electronic nose" that detects this particular thing, isn't that what patents are all about? Its not like he'd be trying to patent one click shopping, hyperlinks, or swinging sideways.
What if he patents it, mass produces it so every doctor can have one for free if they give him $5 for every test they run with it, making him a B
A good nurse can tell by the smell (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:A good nurse can tell by the smell (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:A good nurse can tell by the smell (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine walking into a hospital to visit a sick friend and having a german pointer point at you while everyone is the waiting room gasps.
Re:A good nurse can tell by the smell (Score:2)
This is true, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Some diseases do produce characteristic smells.
Uncontrolled diabetes makes the breath smell a bit like nail varnish. Infections, liver disease and cancer also make distinct smells.
There is a big danger in using a test like this inappropriately for screening, as has already been aluded to.
Breast screening, prostate screening and even cervical cancer screening are all not good screening tests (as they stand at the moment). For cervical cancer, which is probably the best of the three for screening, you have to screen 1000 women for 35 years to prevent one death [bmj.com]. You think about the extra cost, extra tests and all the pain and anxiety of all the people who get false positive results.
Screening is like wearing an elastic seatbelt. It gives you illusion of security, when in fact it gives you no real protection, and just adds inconvenience. Unlike an elastic seatbelt, there is no 'real' substitute. yet.
Just to make it more difficult, their is an entire industry set up around producing and promoting these 'elastic seatbelts' [bmj.com].
Or maybe not... (Score:5, Interesting)
Pre-employment "drug" tests have been used to screen women for pregnancy, so I have no doubt that a cancer-detecting breathalyzer will be used to screen for other expensive conditions (or at least certify them as "pre-existing" and thus not covered by the company).
Re:Or maybe not... (Score:2, Insightful)
"I've had cancer twice, three times if you count the relapse in '82 and I need to go to physical therapy at least once a week and I take an extra day off for Christmas vacation day or not and I'll expect to be paid for it."
I've never had a problem.
Re:Or maybe not... (Score:3, Insightful)
We constantly complain about the RIAA not being able to see the benefits of new audio and file-sharing technology, and only being pessimistic about it.
Why, when something like this can be used for good (i.e. early detection of cancer, and drunk drivers), must we prevent such a technology just because it can be used for privacy invasion?
We need to be on the watch for such wrong uses, but we need to allow the technology to be (as in existence) as well.
Electronic nose could sniff out lung cancer (Score:4, Informative)
TARA WOMERSLEY HEALTH CORRESPONDENT
A REVOLUTIONARY electronic "nose" can detect lung cancer simply by sniffing people's breath, scientists claim.
The invention, known as an e-nose, could have major implications for the early diagnosis of the commonest cause of cancer deaths
The device has been developed at the University of Rome, and, while still in its early stages, has successfully detected every lung cancer patient it was used on during a trial.
Like a real nose, the electronic version uses an array of sensors that are not designed to detect any one chemical. Instead they respond to the overall profile of compounds in a sample. Such sensors are already used in the food industry to spot subtle off smells and tastes.
A variety of conditions can lead to specific compounds turning up in the breath. This can include aliphatic acids in the breath of people with liver cirrhosis, and dimethylamine or trimethylamine in the breath of those with failing kidneys.
Lung cancer patients exhale a cocktail of alkanes and benzene derivatives, although the reason for this is unclear.
According to a report in New Scientist magazine, which looked at the efficacy of the "nose", quartz crystal sensors were used which were each coated with a varying substance that binds to a different range of organic chemicals. The crystals' natural vibration frequency is related to their weight, so this changes as molecules from the sample stick to their coated surface, says the report.
Because of this a complex gas sample such as human breath will create a unique profile of vibrations from a range of crystals.
Scientists tested the e-nose on 60 people at the Forlanini Hospital in Rome, including 35 waiting for an operation to remove a large lung tumour. Each test took just over a minute and the nose successfully pinpointed every cancer patient, according to New Scientist.
Experts are now looking at ways of boosting the nose's sensitivity to the point where it can detect tumours at an early stage. If successful, this would mean that doctors would no longer have to use an invasive instrument called a bronchoscope to look inside a patient's lungs and, in some cases, remove a tissue sample.
Carrado Di Natale, the head of the e-nose development team, believes a super-sensitive version of the device might in future be used routinely to screen smokers and other high-risk groups for lung cancer.
"It would be less accurate than bronchoscopy but it would be so much easier," he said.
A total of 1,720 women died from lung cancer in Scotland in 2000 compared to 1,116 deaths from breast cancer.
And while the incidence of lung cancer among men is declining, experts have predicted that it will only start to level off among women between 2010 and 2014.
In Scotland the survival rate at five years for lung cancer is between 6 per cent and 7 per cent compared to 70 per cent for breast cancer.
Smoking and passive smoking causes nine out of ten lung cancers. On average 94 people die every day from lung cancer in the UK.
Richard Sullivan, the head of clinical programmes at Cancer Research UK, said that while smell was important for detecting a disease he was sceptical about the efficiency of the e-nose.
He said: "Smell is very important for detecting disease and this is an interesting twist. But this study is much too small to mean anything."
He added that even a highly sensitive nose could only detect surface tumours, and would never replace the blood tests or scans which alert doctors to the onset of secondary cancers.
Researchers in Cambridgeshire are looking to develop a technique using dogs to detect prostate cancer.
The 12-month project will involve Alsatians and Labradors which will be trained to spot minute signs of cancer in urine samples. It is hoped that the dogs will be able to detect certain proteins that can be found in the blo
Re:Electronic nose could sniff out lung cancer (Score:4, Interesting)
There may have been more than one such case. I read about a woman whose dog became obsessed with a mole on her back. One day when she was outside sunbathing her normally loving dog bit the area where the mole was. That got her to the doctor, who treated the bite and sent the mole to the pathologist. Melanoma.
My question is, how did the dog know that the abnormal smell was (A) important, (B) a problem?
Smelloscope!? (Score:2)
Oh damn, this is just a fancy breathalizer.
Use snort!! (Score:4, Funny)
Here's my cancer.rules
alert tcp $SMOKING $LUNGS -> $BODY any (msg:"CANCER Lung Cancer"; content:"stink breath"; nocase; flags:A+; classtype:dammit-cancer; sid:6227; rev:1;)
alert tcp $CHEW $MOUTH -> $BODY any (msg:"CANCER Mouth Cancer"; content:"gross spit"; nocase; flags:A+; classtype:dammit-cancer; sid:6228; rev:1;)
alert tcp $CELLPHONE $HAND -> $BODY any (msg:"CANCER Brain Tumor"; content:"crashing car"; nocase; flags:A+; classtype:dammit-cancer; sid:6239; rev:1;)
i bet this spawned off from.. (Score:2)
now i know
Didn't they do this years ago? (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure would make the news easier to take from a dog than some weird machine.
Re:Didn't they do this years ago? (Score:2)
European or African?
Re:Didn't they do this years ago? (Score:2)
Re:Didn't they do this years ago? (Score:2)
but i can't remember really..
pm
Re:Didn't they do this years ago? (Score:1)
When I was still an undergrad (in 1991) I did a final year project for Dr David Thiel, Griffith University [gu.edu.au] to build a device very similar to this.
The first version I built and programmed used an MC68HC11E2 microcontroller and two unsealed 10Mhz crystals mounted externally in a ZIF socket, with one crystal coated with chemicals used in gas chromatography. A beat frequency was generated from the two crystals
more info on the BBC (Score:3, Informative)
It seems there might be a problem with false positives, but for such a non-invasive screening process, that isn't much of a drawback.
Some personal experience (Score:2, Interesting)
I am surprised that someone actually thought of using this as test for cancer, although I did suspect a link earlier.
Dogs ... (Score:3, Interesting)
But
Re:Dogs ... (Here's the link) (Score:1)
ABC News did a show about this a while ago.
Story here [go.com].
P.S.
;-)
Parent beat me to it, I was hoping to make the first post on this
Probably similar to the computer wine taster (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Probably similar to the computer wine taster (Score:1, Funny)
Why am I sceptical? Let me enumerate (Score:5, Interesting)
Quoth:
2) Biosensors and Bioelectronics is not a very disciplined journal, AFAIK (those in the field please correct me if I've been misinformed); you find a lot of good work in second tier journals, don't get me wrong, but you also find a lot of crap.
3) My dad does measurements of breath alkanes; ethane is produced by oxidized fatty acids, so it is a marker for patients with high tissue free radicals (what some people call "oxidative stress" even though there is no reason to think it is harmful, in and of itself.) They are highly variable - diabetics, for example, exhale a lot of them.
4) "e-nose"? Anyone who'd use that name has to be a sheister.
Electronic Nosing (Score:4, Informative)
This technology has existed for quite a while...
Pubmed search [nih.gov] will show that already several [nih.gov] applications [nih.gov] for this [nih.gov] exists. [nih.gov]
As a physician I am stunned that the pubmed database (text-only version here) [nih.gov] is not used more by the public. Very stimulating!
Davak
Great for poorer countries (Score:1)
this is great ..but... (Score:1)
Dogs can do this too. (Score:2, Informative)
Uh oh... (Score:2, Funny)
The mouth is a strange place ... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not sure that sampling the breath is easier than sampling saliva but this site has a nice intro (http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/bae/research/blanchard/w
with a competitors technique here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6588
Added to the Police Breathalyser (Score:1)
"Thank you Sir, you're under the legal limit, but might I suggest you go see your doctor!"
Or better still the cop could issue YOU with a defect notice instead of your car.
Windows encountered a "problem" while running SigGenerator...
Old story resurfacing... (Score:4, Interesting)
Ok, it was 9 years ago, but the subject of it changed from possibilities of sensors array processing to trying to cope with the fact that those sensors were exhibiting horrible sensibility drift over time.
Because the main problem with those sensors is that they are using a chemical compounds that binds the gas molecule. To simplify, the weight of the bound gas molecules increases the load of the crystal, thus affecting its frequency response.
The main problem of such a system is that the binding tends to have permanent effects, thus altering durably the sensor response over time, up until it becomes unusable or exhibit too different a behavior for its signal to be processed efficiently.
What usually happens is that a misinformed journalist just happens to hear about that "famous new electronic nose"...
But up to now, such noses failed to find any industrial applications, just because of the sensivity drift. I clearly remember reading some literature from that Di Natale guy 9 years ago, making the same bold claims.
If someone from the italian team reads /., I will be greatly interested by there take on the drift matter.
Re:Old story resurfacing... (Score:2)
Even better (Score:1)
Chemicals reacting to certain stands in DNA can apparently diagnose you in under 30 seconds for diabetes, MS and a whole bunch of other things. Impressive!
Next time I make a visit t
It's a plot! (Score:2)
All part of an elaborate plot by the insurance industry to deny coverage to those of us who just happen to enjoy drinking gasoline.
Athsma... (Score:1)
I do, however, agree with those that have voiced concern about discrimination, especially in the employment world, in regard to both devices (cancer much more so, of course.)
Cancer smell? (Score:2)
The idea of a cancer smell is one of the most depressing concepts I can think of right now.
It would be cool if they started making police involve this test when they test drunk-drivers though.
Police-Cop: The breathlyser test shows that you are over the legal limit. I am for going to be doing the arresting of you now. Also, you have cancer!
Driver: Hooray!
What about if... (Score:1)
How hard would you need to breathe... (Score:1)
Gives a whole new meaning to the doctor holding your testes and saying "cough".