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3000-year-old Microbes 34

marga writes "Science Daily is running a story about a group of researchers the have been drilling into the Antarctic ice and discovered 3000-year-old microbes that could come back to life if put in contact with liquid water. And not only that, they claim that they have uncovered a whole new ecological system lying beneath the Lake Vida."
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3000-year-old Microbes

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  • Worried (Score:4, Informative)

    by dar ( 15755 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @02:08PM (#4909134) Homepage
    I know I worry too much, but this makes me think of the Andromeda Strain.
    • Re:Worried (Score:4, Funny)

      by Dannon ( 142147 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @02:18PM (#4909245) Journal
      Nah, this is more like Gremlins. Three rules:

      1. Don't get them wet,
      2. Don't expose them to sunlight, and
      3. Don't ever let them eat after midnight!
    • Re:Worried (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Simon Field ( 563434 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @07:16PM (#4911995) Homepage


      Some bacteria that have evolved to live in very salty water at -10 Celsius are unlikely to do much harm to a human.

      On the other hand, the anti-freeze molecules they make might be quite beneficial. Something like that might make cryogenic suspended animation possible, or just better ice cream.

    • Re:Worried (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anik315 ( 585913 ) <anik@alphaco r . n et> on Wednesday December 18, 2002 @03:45AM (#4914384)
      Epidemic viral agents/bacteria aren't going to come from some exotic place since they have to be tailor made for our immune system.

      Our immune system has been evolving for hundreds of millions years, and it will attack everything that doesn't have the right 'password'. The only way pathogens can get those 'passwords' is just through enormous amounts of random mutation.

      The rather prosiac solution is to stop using antibiotics irresponsibly because that just allows the stronger strains to proliferate.
  • "contaminate" (Score:1, Redundant)

    by 216pi ( 461752 )
    does anybody else wory about that this 3000 year old stable ecological system could now have been "contaminated" by alien DNA? Or that it at least had to be polluted? What do you need to keep a drill head moving/to not make it freeze in the ice? petrol? Alcohol?

    Was it that smart to brake the ice?
    • does anybody else wory about that this 3000 year old stable ecological system could now have been "contaminated" by alien DNA?

      I certainly worry more about our own, Earth DNA. There is still no evidence of extraterrestrial life existence, which may just mean that no alien life form has reached our planet yet. That is why I do not worry about it. But I do worry about our domestic life forms, which -- unlike alien life forms -- are known to be sometimes lethal to other life forms of Earth.

      Or that it at least had to be polluted?

      What do you mean by "polluted"?

      • Re:"contaminate" (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Eagle7 ( 111475 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @03:11PM (#4909707) Homepage
        I think he meant alien in the traditional sense, i.e. "from outside the enclosed ecosystem", not "extraterrestrial." In other words, did the scientists unwittingly just go and open up a lake that's been sealed for 3000 years and contaminate it before it could even be studied? Did thier drills leak anything into said lake, affecting it's chemistry? etc.
        • Re:"contaminate" (Score:4, Informative)

          by jnana ( 519059 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @09:39PM (#4912884) Journal
          They didn't actually drill far enough down to enter the water. They went to within three meters of the bottom of the ice. They found what they did in this ice, and are preparing to go back and actually drill through the ice, when they have equipment that can prevent contamination. The Nature article is much better than this Science Daily.
  • Europa (Score:4, Interesting)

    by danratherfan ( 624592 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @02:24PM (#4909304) Journal
    It makes the prospects for life on Europa just that much more promising. We're finding life can exist in such extreme conditions. It's time we sent a probe to drill beneath the ice there.
    • Re:Europa (Score:3, Funny)

      by MacAndrew ( 463832 )
      It makes the prospects for life on Europa just that much more promising.

      Seems like a long way to go for food! ;-)

      I have to second whoever cited the Andromeda Strain. How do we know the critters weren't buried there years ago on purpose by hostile aliens, a time bomb set to go off when we got too curious....

      I know we've seen this scifi plot 100 times. But how do we know these tired plots weren't buried there years ago on purpose by hostile aliens, a time bomb......
      • Wonder if their sys admin went bad ....

        http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/18/1115 25 3&mode=nested&tid=99

  • by derinax ( 93566 )
    http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~vampire/thing/thin g.htm

    and

    http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=368
  • by 0x69 ( 580798 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @03:08PM (#4909680) Journal
    Let's see... How many umpteen-thousand-year-old woolly mammoths have been dug out of Siberian ice? How many slow-moving glaciers are drooling ancient bits of organic crud all the time? How many deep old aquifers have been drilled & pumped by water-hungry people?

    How many times have ancient supergerms from these Not-Meant-To-Be-Touched-By-Man sources nearly wiped humanity from the face of the Earth?

    There's really no need to fear for the future, folks. Our handsome hero, his beautiful babe, and their nerdy sidekick will save the world before bedtime.

    We'll return to tonight's feature - "Purple Doom From The Ice Continent" - after a quick message from our sponsors...
  • Wait untill you find out that they're the ones who killed the dinosaurs, but then wrote a lovely book about them. Now they're trying to restore the last dinosaur eggs...here we go again
  • Till some dogs get hollowed out; Wilford Brimley stops eating oatmeal and starts kickin ass and taking names; and the only guy we can count on has a gigantic foam cowboy hat.

    "I dunno what the hell's in there, but it's weird and pissed off whatever it is."

  • Bah! That's nothing. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Royster ( 16042 ) on Tuesday December 17, 2002 @05:26PM (#4911002) Homepage
    There were some yeast spores dating back 25-40 million years which were claimed to have been revived. Google's cached copy of the Time Magazine article from 1995 [216.239.53.100]

    They used it to brew beer!

    Now there's Procress Through Science!
    • There was a whole spate of "ancient organism revival" claims around the mid-1990's. I'm too lazy to go and look up the refs right now, but some of them even made the pages of Science and Nature, and they all made the mass media fer sure. What never makes the mass media is the followup a couple of months later where somebody clearly demonstrates that said organisms originated from contamination in the laboratory that claims to have "revived" the organisms. This happened on a regular basis and eventually it was recognized that there's a likely limit of some hundred thousand or so years [omnibooksonline.com] on even being able to isolate tiny fragments of degraded DNA, let alone being able to "revive" ancient organisms.

      Three thousand years is a drop in the bucket, however. No reason you couldn't revive dormant bacteria that old.

  • Ricky Martin dedicated his old song to this survivor!!

    Livin la Vida lova
  • Anybody else here worried about what those crazy scientists might be reviving. I'm thinking X-Files becomes reality. You never know how "contained" some of these transporting methods and research labs truly are.

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