New Frozen World Found Beyond Pluto 763
theBrownfury writes "BBC, Sydney Herald, and the Indian Express are reporting a new object, which is one-tenth the diameter of the Earth, and lies well beyond Pluto in an area of the Solar System known as the Kuiper Belt. The new world, which has been dubbed Quaoar, is about 1,280 kilometres (800 miles) across. Quaoar orbits the sun ever 288 years and is 1250 Km wide, about the size of all the asteroids combined. This discovery is being hailed as the most important solar system discovery in the past 72 years."
Ah crap... you've found my home planet. (Score:5, Funny)
Most Important Solar System Discovery (Score:5, Funny)
Not by me.
Re:Most Important Solar System Discovery (Score:3, Insightful)
Compared to a block of rock 1/2 the size of pluto?, even colder & further out? It shows large objects exists in the kuijper belt but thats nice to know, not at all in the same league as some other recent discoveries .
Is that the name? (Score:2)
I was taught the same thing in grade school... (Score:2)
Don't you know... (Score:3, Funny)
Aw shucks (Score:5, Funny)
Goofy.
Re:Aw shucks (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Aw shucks (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Aw shucks (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like my cat when I stuck it in the microwave.
Re:Aw shucks (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Aw shucks (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Aw shucks (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Aw shucks (Score:3, Funny)
I swear, it looks like the sort of name that was made specially for Ash to mispronounce, thereby summoning unspeakable evil to an S-Mart near you.
Re:Aw shucks (Score:5, Funny)
"Honey, I'm telling you... 'Quaoar' is so a word. It's the name of the planet we discovered yesterday. Yeah, that's it..."
Is it really? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Is it really? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Is it really? (Score:5, Informative)
It's still a cool discovery.
Re:Is it really? (Score:3, Funny)
Actually, given the distance from the Sun, I'd say it's a very COLD discovery!
Re:Is it really? (Score:5, Interesting)
This new object will have difficulty becoming a 'Planet' by name.
who comes up with these names? (Score:2)
Will it stay named? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Will it stay named? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Will it stay named? (Score:2)
Re:Will it stay named? (Score:2)
Re:Will it stay named? (Score:3, Informative)
Perhaps most apropos to note in this forum are asteroids (9965) GNU, (9885) Linux, (9793) Torvalds and (9882) Stallman (all spotted and named by the Kitt Peak Spacewatch crew [arizona.edu]).
Childhood fairytales include (14014) Munchhausen, (17627) Humptydumpty, (1773) Rumpelstilz and (5405) Neverland. (2675) Tolkien and (2991) Bilbo are memorialized in minor planetary names as well.
Luminaries of Science fiction are well-represented by planetary bodies such as (5020) Asimov, (9766) Bradbury, (21811) Burroughs, (4923) Clarke, (6371) Heinlein, (12284) Pohl, and (7758) Poulanderson.
(4659) Roddenberry is accompanied by (9777) Enterprise, (26734) Terryfarrell and the dreaded (2913) Horta (2362).
The (3325) TARDIS is floating out there somewhere too, as is (18610) Arthurdent.
(13681) MontyPython and the circus are flying around -- (9617) Grahamchapman, (9618) Johncleese, (9619) Terrygilliam, (9620) Ericidle, (9621) Michaelpalin, and (9622) Terryjones.
(291) Alice may (or may not) be the young friend of (6984) Lewiscarroll -- along with (6042) Cheshirecat, (6735) Madhatter, (17518) Redqueen, (17942) Whiterabbit, (9387) Tweedledee and (17681) Tweedledum.
Beware the (7470) Jabberwock, my son (the jaws that bite, the claws that catch) beware the (9781) Jubjubbird and shun the frumious (9780) Bandersnatch!
Both (4386) Lust and (3162) Nostalgia might be served by a visit to (12382) Niagara Falls. Don't tell (10515) Old Joe.
Hollywood has a presence in space, with (25930) Spielberg and (7032) Hitchcock, (11548) Jerrylewis, (11419) Donjohnson, (20789) Hughgrant and (12050) Humecronyn. (13070) Seanconnery stars as (9007) James Bond.
Too many cool ones to list all at once, but I have to mention (8147) Colemanhawkins, and (6318) Cronkite. There's the trio of (5048) Moriarty, (5049) Sherlock and (5050) Doctorwatson, followed by (5051) Ralph.
Have some (29700) Salmon.
Re:Will it stay named? (Score:2)
not official name (Score:5, Funny)
I vote for CowboyNeal.
The traditional name for Sol's 10th planet (Score:5, Interesting)
is Persephone. (per-SEF-oh-nee) This would be the chick from Greek mythology that ate the pomogranate seeds and thus had to stay in Hades for half the year (when the world grows cold), and gets to come out the other half (when the world warms up again).
Most of the SF and speculative fiction/nonfiction articles over the last few decades have all referred to a tenth planet as Persephone, on the assumption that we would continue naming major astronomical objects for ancient mythological figures.
Re:The traditional name for Sol's 10th planet (Score:5, Interesting)
Interestingly there are a few problems with the name Persephone. All of the major planets are named for Roman gods; Persephone is the Greek name for the goddess in Latin called Proserpina.
Second, there is the suggestion that Clarke (or maybe Asimov) made before Charon was discovered: he suggested that Pluto's moon, if one were ever discovered, be named Persephone, and that the name Charon be given to any trans-Plutonian planet, with I think Cerberus being reserved for any moons of that planet. That way someone from outside the system would have to pass Charon and Cerberus (or maybe it was Styx) to get to Pluto and Persephone.
See the Space Telescope Institute's Press Release [stsci.edu] for more information about Quaoar; on the name, this link [angelfire.com] may be of use; it looks like Quaoar is a name from mythology, albeit indigenous American mythology, which makes it consistent with the names of the minor planets and moons (which do not need to be named after Roman gods; the moons of Uranus are even named after characters from Shakespeare : e.g., Oberon and Titania from Much Ado About Nothing, and Ariel and Miranda from The Tempest).
Re:"Sol" (Score:3, Interesting)
Language is *flexible*.
For the same reason that 'Photoshopping' is a verb, 'Sol' is the name of our sun. People use it, and the term sticks.
In a similar vein:
Sol
Luna
boxen
unices
Linux (over GNU/Linux)
Doh
phat
slashdotted
owned/0wnz3d
Re:The traditional name for Sol's 10th planet (Score:4, Informative)
Personally I would think Minerva would be a better fit being a Roman goddess, but that's an asteroid too.
Dimensions (Score:4, Interesting)
So which one is it? 1280? 1250? Both? Neither? CowboyNeal?
Re:Dimensions (Score:5, Funny)
1250 Km = 1250*1.024 km = 1280 km. Everything works out.
Re:Dimensions (Score:4, Funny)
Blarney (Score:5, Funny)
Do I perceive a-bit of the ol' Irish accent in ye? Or are ye a pirate be?
The most important solar system discovery... (Score:2)
Vanna White, help! (Score:5, Funny)
Otherwise known as the Vowel Planet
Send it to Bosnia! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Vanna White, help! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Vanna White, help! (Score:3, Funny)
He he. And I thought we exhausted all the space doodee jokes when the new moon of Uranus was posted a few weeks ago. Boy was I wrong.
"Vowel Movement Linked to Uranus" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Vanna White, help! (Score:2, Funny)
Obligatory Simpsons Refernce (Score:3, Funny)
MVEMJSUNP (Score:5, Funny)
ahh damn now what are we supposed to use to remember the planet order
Re:MVEMJSUNP (Score:5, Funny)
Um, well it doen't solve the problem of 10 planets, but on the other hand we could leave it as "Nine". Just imagine our grandchildren will tell their children that the "Nine" is an artifact of history when people thought there were only nine planets in the Solar System...
Re:MVEMJSUNP (Score:4, Funny)
How about My Very Energetic Mother Just Served Us Numerous Pizzas Quickly. Then we no longer have the scalability problem.
Re:MVEMJSUNP (Score:3, Funny)
Funny (Score:2, Interesting)
In a related news quote from the LINEAR research team "Holy Shit, did you see the size of that rock floating out there!"
Glad.. (Score:2)
Can anyone think of a use for a new planet? (Score:5, Funny)
and I can't think of a single thing we could do with Quaoar (OSLT).
Nope. Zilch. Not a single damn use for another planet.
We still haven't figured out what we're going to do with the current lot.
Perhaps I'm an ignorant barbarian, but how is finding one more planet 'important'?
I mean... surely 'importance' has to have something to do with human aspirations?
Hah! Got it! (Score:4, Funny)
Someone just wants to sneak this word into the dictionary so that he can beat his aged grandmother at Scrabble.
This is the only possible reason for the name.
Pluto Not A Planet? (Score:2)
Re:Pluto Not A Planet? (Score:3, Informative)
The earliest discovered one being Ida's satellite, Dactyl, which the Galileo probe took some very nice pictures of on its way to Jupiter.
Re:Pluto Not A Planet? (Score:4, Informative)
For UFO manhunters/bashers: note that VF was once the director of the U.S. Naval Astronomy, and one of the guys who help find Charon. Since Richard Hoagland started to search for hyperpyramids in the closet, he suffered some bad publicity, but still, his researches are quite important because they are in the edge of Science and some have had positive results recently.
Re:Pluto Not A Planet? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Pluto Not A Planet? (Score:5, Informative)
Pluto is the threshold case. At the moment, it seems to be the conventional wisdom that anything found that's larger than Pluto will have to be considered for planet status, and anything smaller for planetoid/asteroid/comet status. Quaoar would thus not be a planet. But who knows? The important thing is that a solar system can have these kinds of objects:
Stars (Sun)
Brown dwarfs (none known in our system)
Gas giants (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune)
Terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars)
Asteroids (Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, etc.)
Kuiper-like objects (Pluto, Quoaoar, maybe Chiron)
Comets (maybe Chiron, Halley, etc.)
Terrestrial moons (the Moon, Io, Europa, Titan, Iapetus)
Kuiper-like-object-like moons (Charon, maybe Triton)
Asteroid-like moons (Phobos, Deimos, Amalthea)
Dust lanes and planetary rings
Protostars, protoplanets, protoplanetary disks
etc.
As you can see, the star/planet/asteroid/comet/moon classification isn't quite detailed enough for what we now know.
Great name! (Score:5, Interesting)
Quoth BBC:
I happen to think that that is way groovy. It's about time some other ancient belief systems got in on the planet-naming! :)
tenth planet (Score:5, Funny)
(We miss you, Douglas)
Triv
Re:tenth planet (Score:4, Funny)
Err.... it actually says "biggest find"... (Score:2)
Lead in is a little misleading...
just doesn't sound the same (Score:3, Funny)
very
eager
mother
just
served
us
nine
um... quickly?
ah well, i'm sure someone else can come up with something more creative
K-Pax (Score:3, Funny)
Now I know he was really an alien!
A Little Perspective? (Score:2, Insightful)
Is Quaoar an obscure god? (Score:2, Interesting)
Does the good Doctor know? (Score:2)
Has anyone contacted the Banzai institute and asked for Buckaroo's opinion on the discovery of the location of Planet Ten?
Will the Nova police cover this story up?
Z.
Q: What was the discovery 72 years ago? (Score:2)
This message was bought to you by the coalition to get peopel to read the articles.
More Naming Crap (Score:2)
To the indigenous peoples, Quaoar was the great force of nature that summoned all other things into being.
I guess they ran out of Roman gods already.
Re:More Naming Crap (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, probably some academical SF. They, sometimes, are also good writers...
it should be named after the douglas adams subject (Score:2, Interesting)
One minor nitpick... (Score:2, Informative)
Questions on how... (Score:2)
can someone here please tell me ot point ot links on how you can from observing something through a telescope tell how wide a dot of light is and oll those other statistics? I understand through cromatography you can see different things...
How do they get these statistics?? Other than just pulling a number out their butt?
What makes a planet? (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems to me the astronomy community can't decide. How hard can it be? It's an arbitrary classification that doesn't actually mean anything. It's all just hunks of rock orbiting the sun. It's a classification that doesn't actually mean anything. Somebody just make a decision and let's all stick to it. It's annoying not knowing how many planets have been discovered in our own solar system.
Re:What makes a planet? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's a tough question.
Size?
Yes. Generally, a body should be large enough that gravity makes it roughly spherical, before it can be considered a planet. However, this is apparently a necessary-but-not-sufficient criterion.
The presence of its own sattelites?
No. See Mercury and Venus.
An atmosphere?
No. See Mercury.
How hard can it be? It's an arbitrary classification that doesn't actually mean anything.
You just answered your own question. It's hard to draw the line between planet and non-planet precisely because the line is arbitrary and has no real meaning.
I think we should just call it a planet if it (1) orbits a star directly; (2) is massive enough to be roughly spherical; and (3) is not so massive that it is either a brown dwarf or a star. However, please note that this definition would include the asteroid Ceres, which is generally not considered a planet...maybe it should be.
(Ceres is 900 km in diameter, compared to this new one's 1250-km diameter).
If like Pluto, not a planet (Score:4, Interesting)
So, if all we have with this new thingie is the second largest Kuiper Belt object after Pluto - so what? Isn't the news play just about trying to get more funding from the fine fellows who've identified it, which is more likely if the headlines scream "Tenth Planet!" What a cynical abuse of the press. Science should stop grubbing, and strive for purity of purpose, lest the results themselves be corrupted. Prostitution just isn't the same as free love.
Don't break the damn pattern (Score:5, Interesting)
The naming of Pluto is a story by itself. Early suggestions of the name of the new planet were: Atlas, Zymal, Artemis, Perseus, Vulcan, Tantalus, Idana, Cronus. The New York Times suggested Minerva, reporters suggested Osiris, Bacchus, Apollo, Erebus. Lowell's widow suggested Zeus, but later changed her mind to Constance. Many people suggested the planet be named Lowell. The staff of the Flagstaff observatory, where Pluto was discovered, suggested Cronus, Minerva, and Pluto. A few months later the planet was officially named Pluto. The name Pluto was originally suggested by Venetia Burney, an 11-year-old schoolgirl in Oxford, England.
Re:Don't break the damn pattern (Score:3, Informative)
Meaning of the name? (Score:3, Informative)
Quaoar: Their only god who "came down from heaven; and, after reducing chaos to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the lower animals," and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California
Farengi bar jokes, part I (Score:5, Funny)
Quark, Queue me up a Quick Quart of Quaoar
Better names (using Roman gods) (Score:3, Informative)
Everybody knows that the planets are supposed to be named after the Roman gods. That's just the way it is. Here's a list of some of the more common Roman gods [hypermart.net]. I'm sure some of the Hercules and Xena fans out there can add to this list.
Personally, I like:
Re:Better names (using Roman gods) (Score:3, Informative)
Sawyer called it (Score:5, Funny)
Alien: It's only natural that humans would use a base-10 number system. You have 10 of everything. 10 fingers, 10 toes, 10 planets in your solar system...
Human: Uh, that's nine planets.
Alien: Keep looking.
Slashdot Poll (Score:5, Funny)
1) kyoo-ohr
2) kway-ohr
3) kwow-ahr
5) kwak-kwak
6) k-pax
7) kow-boi-neel
Discoverer's home page URL (Score:5, Informative)
So how long until Jack Brennan moves it? (Score:3, Funny)
And puts another Stonehenge in my backyard?
A few short facts about Quaoar (Score:5, Informative)
- 5% of the sky was looked at before finding Quaoar, so there might very well be a dozen more Quaoar-sized "planets" in the Kupier belt. Even Pluto-sized planets might be out there.
- Water, methane, methanol, and carbon dioxide ice seem to exist on Quaoar.
- Quaoar's name isn't decided yet and its designation is 2002 LM60 until a name is officially decided upon in a few months.
- Quaoar is pronounced "kwah-o-wahr" and is the name of a great force of creation among the Tongva people.
- Quaoar is 42 AU from Earth, while Pluto and Neptune are both 30 AU from Earth. 1 Astronomical Unit = One "Sun to Earth" distance.
- If standing on Quaoar, what one would see at the Sun (and the Earth) would be what happened 5 hours ago, since light takes 5 hours to travel to Quaoar.
- A Space Shuttle would need 25 years to travel to Quaoar.
- Google News about Quaoar [google.com].
Come on, Moon 2, Moon 2!!! (Score:4, Funny)
Moon2.com. If only it were 1999, this would already be funded!!
Correction to the article (Score:3, Funny)
sort of a setback (Score:3, Funny)
Zok: Hey, this looks like the place from the message, check it out: humanoids, single sun...
Glork: Oh wait though, there are ten planets. Let's keep looking.
Klork: Drat! I was so looking forward to bestowing the technological gift of perfectly realistic virtual porn on yet another race.
Quaoar not the only "large" Kupier body (Score:3, Informative)
- Ixion was discovered in 2001 and is thought to be of similar size as Quaoar and Varuna.
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Re:Our solar system ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The bigger issue (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Our solar system ... (Score:4, Interesting)
It is sometimes said by astronomers that our solar system is made up of the Sun, Jupiter, and bunch of other little clutter. The mass of the rocky planets, and even the smaller gas giants is dismal compared to Jupiter.
The borderline between planet and asteroid is blurry. We might as well stop counting at Pluto out of tradition. However, if something bigger than Pluto is found out there, then the debate will heat up again.
Hmmmmm. I wonder if the Sun is even the brightest star out at the distance of Qu...... whatchmacallit. I would guess that it still is. Although Sun is not a big star, Q is still far closer to it than others.
Re: distance to Jupiter (Score:3, Informative)
In other words, you're too lazy to look it up or do the math before you post! ;-)
The speed of light in a vacuum is 300,000 km/s (not meters), or 18,000,000 km/min.
So, here is the actual (approximately) factual information on Jupiter:
Of course, all of these vary at apogee, perigee, etc. - but not by much, so cut me some slack! At any rate, you're only off by an order of magnitude or so.
So this new body, at a distance of 6 billion km from the sun, would be about 333 light-minutes or 5.5 light-hours away. Wow.
- MFN
Re:Proposed name for planet... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Lies! All lies and stretching truth! Pluto fact (Score:2, Insightful)
And so, what is the earth and the moon if not two bodies in close orbit around each other? Ya think the earth isn't orbiting around the moon? Think again brother.
Secondly, what alternative definition would you suggest for a planet other than that it has to be massive enough? (And probably be in orbit around the sun...which is kind of trivially obvious I guess.)
Re:Hah. (Score:2)
Besides, I hereby announce that I'm taking bets. The official name of this body-- if it ever gets one-- will be Persephone.
Re:Quaoar is California Spelling of American India (Score:4, Funny)
The God of Vowels, no doubt.
(I know I know, I cannot kick this vowel thing.)
Re:Yhink About The Astologers! (Score:3, Informative)
Feh. Astrology accounted for Chiron when it was discovered back in the seventies. For that matter, astrology accounted for Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto after their respective discoveries. Whether you believe in astrology or not, you can count on people writing papers and books to describe what effects Quaoam (or Qualcomm, or whatever. . . damn, what a forgettable name for a planet) will have on their personal lives.
. . .or maybe astrology won't account for it. Most astrologers still don't account for precession of the earth's axis and the presence of Ophiucus in the Zodiac. . . so ya never know.
Re:Why the controversy over "planet"? (Score:5, Insightful)
When you compare Pluto to the various trans-Neptunian objects in the Kuiper Belt, though, it fits right in. Composition, orbit, distance, everything. Even if you want to get picky about Charon, there have been examples of small rocky bodies in mutual orbit in the asteroid belt, so a small moonlet of a small planetoid isn't that big of a deal.
I think astronomers are just tired of having to say, "... except for Pluto." when discussing the solar system's arrangment.
IMHO, Pluto was identified first because it is among the largest, if not *the* largest, of the trans-Neptunian objects, discovered using 19th century optical technology. Now that the lenses, cameras and data analysis tools are so much improved, objects of comparable size are starting to be identifed. This isn't to take away any historical significance from Pluto for being the first of its class to be observed, but I don't really consider it a really small planet, more of a really big planetoid.